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'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost:
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie |
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On Mar 29, 5:32*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us. Louie The Health Care Czar has just been appointed. Here is an example of one of his previous positions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVZ8Ko-nss4 enjoy, no matter which side you are on... oz |
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On 2010-03-29 20:11:49 -0400, MajorOz said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVZ8Ko-nss4 "It was clear as mud but it covered the ground. And the confusion made the world go round" d;o) |
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"MajorOz" wrote in message ... On Mar 29, 5:32 pm, David LaCourse wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie The Health Care Czar has just been appointed. Here is an example of one of his previous positions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVZ8Ko-nss4 enjoy, no matter which side you are on... oz Absolutely righteous! It's difficult to imagine how anyone could doubt the wisdom contained in that turbo encabulator presentation. Op |
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On Mar 29, 5:32*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us. Louie Imbecile. Filth. g. |
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On Mar 29, 3:32*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave |
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"DaveS" wrote in message ... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom |
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On 2010-03-31 13:57:22 -0400, DaveS said:
On Mar 29, 3:32*pm, David LaCourse wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? "Our" includes all of us, my children and their children and their children (who will have to pay for all of this. It is but another thing the government is going to *try* to manage, but will screw it up like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, AmTrac, USPS, younameit. Yest, I am covered by Tricare and Joanne's insurance. So far, and I emphasize that, Tricare hasn't been touched, but, like everything else, it is only time before it will be. You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. Yeah. Ain't it great? Probably ****es of the diminutive one in Wisconsin. And Jo will be covered for HER lifetime. You probably won't believe this, Dave, but I took the Government's word for all of this way back in 1956 and actually planned all of this. Imagine that? Someone who actually *planne* for his old age. If only there were more of us...... And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. I have more than enough notices from fellow Navy retirees/friends, Navy, and military.com. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Bad information? David, Social Security is busted, broke. That was the original intent of my post. Perhaps you didn't read it? Understand it? SS is paying out more than it takes in, and it will get *worse* in a couple of years. Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) I seeeeee. Ideological radicalism is verboten unless it is YOUR ideological radicalism. Your slip is showing, David. http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, What? You mean to tell me that past generations weren't working people that were healhy and fought our nation's battles, grow our food and build our economy? HUH? The government does one thing very, very well - it grows daily. And grows. And grows. It grows into the Ruling Class, and grows and grows some more. It's gonna grow by 16,000 more people for the IRS. And it will grow some more after that, and grow and grow........ David, switch over to MacCallan 15 yo. It will take the taste of Kool Aid out of your mouth. Of course your lips will still be purple, but....... Louie |
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On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said:
"DaveS" wrote in message ... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us. Louie |
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All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights.
Oh my. Another "true God-fearin' American" heard from, right? Cite just one of those 10 amendments that is even remotely attributable to "God" - never mind actually attributed to same. They're FREE! No, they're not. People that actually served in combat paid for them. Is there anyone on earth more stupid than you? |
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On 2010-03-31 18:35:50 -0400, whodathunkit said:
All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. Oh my. Another "true God-fearin' American" heard from, right? Cite just one of those 10 amendments that is even remotely attributable to "God" - never mind actually attributed to same. They're FREE! No, they're not. People that actually served in combat paid for them. They are part of our Constitution, and that is FREE. Those that have served their country, me included, have kept them FREE. Is there anyone on earth more stupid than you? Yeah, I can name a whole bunch in this nuthouse that voted for Obama. Uh, what's with the anonymity? Are you afraid? You should be. "They" are coming to get you! Sooner than you think too! d;o) Grow, baby, grow. Get bigger, government. Bigger is better. Grow.......Are you part of the ruling class? No? Too bad. And you call me stupid. d;o) Louie |
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On Mar 31, 2:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message .... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Or with you planning. Or with your service. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? Amazing. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? |
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On 2010-03-31 19:00:16 -0400, DaveS said:
On Mar 31, 2:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" s aid: "DaveS" wrote in message .. . So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit h ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Thank you. Or with you planning. Or with your service. Thank you. That is very big of you. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Health care and Tricare is NOT in the Constitution. That's my point, David. However, in 1956 a representative of the Government *promised me* a full retirement after 20 years of service and a lifetime of medical care. It was PROMISED. Seemed like a pretty good idea to me. Stay in the military, make some rate, do a good job, retire at age 38, have a small retirement for the rest of my life along with other bennies, *INCLUDING* health care. Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Keeping a promise IS the right thing to do, David. My health care and yours and probably everyone else's will not be any better after this. There is no money. The Government is spending like a drunken sailor in towndown Yokohama. This all started, David, because I pointed out that SS was broke. Tom was recently touting how good SS was and that the health care program will follow its path. The government can not run health care and do it efficiently. Fix it. God yes, it needs help, but to turn it over to the governement is foolhardy at best. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. big grin But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? Amazing. Fix health care, David. It needs fixing, but don't let the government be in charge. It can only lead to catastrophy, one we can not afford. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? Your ghosts really bother you don't they, Dave? Tsk, tsk, remember, Ideology Sucks. A given. And another given is SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKEN, BUSTED, BANKRUPT. As is everything else government has ever tried. Dave |
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Gee, just thought of some REALLY stupid people. All those folks in
California that voted for Pelosi. Come to think of it, just "all those folks in California" works for me. d;o) |
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On Mar 31, 6:00*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 31, 2:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message .... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Or with you planning. Or with your service. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. *They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, *"GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" *Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? *Amazing. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? *Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? Bottom line: 1. Tricare is not a right, and nobody but the whiners said it is. It is an earned benefit. Emphasis on EARNED. If it takes more taxes, so be it. 2. The rest of the largess under discussion is unearned, simply doled out by Uncle as he sees fit. If they take more taxes, dump them. ....thass all, folks... cheers oz |
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On 2010-03-31 19:41:07 -0400, MajorOz said:
On Mar 31, 6:00*pm, DaveS wrote: On Mar 31, 2:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message ... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do w ith ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, an d now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All o f my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Or with you planning. Or with your service. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. *They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, *"GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" *Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? *Amazing. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? *Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? Bottom line: 1. Tricare is not a right, and nobody but the whiners said it is. It is an earned benefit. Emphasis on EARNED. If it takes more taxes, so be it. 2. The rest of the largess under discussion is unearned, simply doled out by Uncle as he sees fit. If they take more taxes, dump them. ...thass all, folks... cheers oz buzzer sound "We have a winner in the mezzanine, Doctor!" Exactly. |
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"David LaCourse" wrote in message news:2010033117423075249-dplacourse@aolcom... On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message ... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us. Louie Don't you worry you drama queen, Allah will protect you. This is truly a hoot! Op |
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On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain |
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On 2010-03-31 20:46:12 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said:
"David LaCourse" wrote in message news:2010033117423075249-dplacourse@aolcom... On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message ... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us. Louie Don't you worry you drama queen, Allah will protect you. This is truly a hoot! Op Yeah, it is. Your future looks like a hoot too. You haven't planned, Mark. I told you several years ago what to do, but I doubt you took my advice. You lose! Again! Too bad. You had your chance. Davie |
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On Mar 31, 4:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message .... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Moron. Liar. Welfare pig. g. |
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On Mar 31, 7:04*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 19:41:07 -0400, MajorOz said: Bottom line: 1. Tricare is not a right, and nobody but the whiners said it is. *It is an earned benefit. *Emphasis on EARNED. *If it takes more taxes, so be it. 2. The rest of the largess under discussion is unearned, simply doled out by Uncle as he sees fit. If they take more taxes, dump them. ...thass all, folks... cheers oz buzzer sound "We have a winner in the mezzanine, Doctor!" Exactly. And many of you people STILL think these ****stains are worth debating with! g. "hilarious".....to borrow a potent phrase. :) |
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On Mar 31, 9:34*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 20:46:12 -0400, "Mark Bowen" said: "David LaCourse" wrote in message news:2010033117423075249-dplacourse@aolcom... On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" said: "DaveS" wrote in message .... So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do with ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. *They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Don't you worry you drama queen, Allah will protect you. This is truly a hoot! Op Yeah, it is. *Your future looks like a hoot too. *You haven't planned, Mark. *I told you several years ago what to do, but I doubt you took my advice. You lose! *Again! *Too bad. *You had your chance. Davie He's right, Mark.....ya could'a been just like his "nephew." g. |
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On Mar 31, 7:01*pm, Steve M wrote:
On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David *wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us.. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. Dave |
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On Mar 31, 7:01*pm, Steve M wrote:
On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David *wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us.. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that some war widows are not fully covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. Medicare/Medicaide And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. As for your scoring system . . . you scored 1.63 on a scale of wizzenfrap. Dave |
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On 3/31/2010 9:55 PM, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 31, 7:01 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. Dave Well, THAT is a reasoned and intelligent response. :-) Scores much higher too, though the deductions apply for the crude language. -- It was a joke, for crying out loud! -- Perhaps poorly made, but still..... I take no offense at your ludicrous characterization(s) since you are simply venting. And if you were truly offended, I apologize for causing you distress. One point I simply must address however: of all those 'best' government services you mentioned, which run in the black? I'm honestly curious. \s -- no quote for now, it will take some time to come up with something new for Giles.... |
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On Mar 31, 11:12*pm, Steve M wrote:
On 3/31/2010 9:55 PM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 31, 7:01 pm, Steve *wrote: On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David * *wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. *God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." *You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. *I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. Dave Well, THAT is a reasoned and intelligent response. :-) Scores much higher too, though the deductions apply for the crude language. -- It was a joke, for crying out loud! -- Perhaps poorly made, but still..... I take no offense at your ludicrous characterization(s) since you are simply venting. And if you were truly offended, I apologize for causing you distress. One point I simply must address however: of all those 'best' government services you mentioned, which run in the black? I'm honestly curious. You lie. End of thread for me. You are not serious and your question is not honest. Not if you are a high school graduate and over 30. FYI Raising a family, government, the military, education, real religions, most scholarship and basic science and many other human endeavors essential to human progress and well being do not usually earn a profit. In most of the developed world, the idea that health- care should be a profit seeking business is considered bizarre. Dave |
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On 3/31/2010 11:59 PM, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:12 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 9:55 PM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 31, 7:01 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. Dave Well, THAT is a reasoned and intelligent response. :-) Scores much higher too, though the deductions apply for the crude language. -- It was a joke, for crying out loud!-- Perhaps poorly made, but still..... I take no offense at your ludicrous characterization(s) since you are simply venting. And if you were truly offended, I apologize for causing you distress. One point I simply must address however: of all those 'best' government services you mentioned, which run in the black? I'm honestly curious. You lie. End of thread for me. You are not serious and your question is not honest. Not if you are a high school graduate and over 30. FYI Raising a family, government, the military, education, real religions, most scholarship and basic science and many other human endeavors essential to human progress and well being do not usually earn a profit. In most of the developed world, the idea that health- care should be a profit seeking business is considered bizarre. Dave Come on now. You can't really be that self-righteous, intolerant, and narrow minded.... can you? Hard to believe. Though you were 'sort of right' about my hidden agenda with the question. From about.com: ******* Under federal law, only the Postal Service can handle or charge postage for handling letters. Despite this virtual monopoly worth some $45 billion a year, the law does not require that the Postal Service make a profit -- only break even. Still, the US Postal Service has averaged a profit of over $1 billion per year in each of the last five years. ***** I was just testing to see if you actually knew anything about the government programs you touted or were just blowing smoke. I have my answer. B. Bunny said it best, so I won't. \s -- "Still thinking, Giles. Sorry" |
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On Apr 1, 1:12*am, Steve M wrote:
One point I simply must address however: of all those 'best' government services you mentioned, which run in the black? I'm honestly curious. I must have been napping. When did profit become an essential aspect of good governance? How many of the governmental agencies you approve of, at whatever level, run in the black? \s -- no quote for now, it will take some time to come up with something new for Giles.... Quote me. I won't necessarily approve.....but it will at least demonstrate that you didn't stop reading somewhere around the end of the nineteenth century. g. who, a great believer in taking things one step at a time will, for the moment, resist the temptation to suggest actually thinking and speaking for oneself. |
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On 2010-03-31 22:44:13 -0400, Giles said:
On Mar 31, 4:42*pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" s aid: "DaveS" wrote in message .. . So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit h ol' David's healthcare, huh? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom Tom, read my reply to David. *I *PLANNED* my future. *You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. *I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. *I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benifits that were promised to me in 1956. *You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. *All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. * They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. *God help us. Louie Moron. Liar. Welfare pig. g. Hey Frank and Frank, Jr. Wolfgang is calling you a welfare pig because you served your country and retired. It's ok, Wolfgang. At this point in my life you are a non-entity. You and your butt buddy are of no consequent to me. So, this will be the last post to you. Hope you get better, and remember, I forgive you. Dave |
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On 2010-04-01 02:12:52 -0400, Steve M said:
Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. David, David, David. The OP said that Social Security is bankrupt, in the red, giving out more than it has coming in. That is FACT BASED. What more do you want? You're the one that brought up Tricare, not me. Tricare is also broke, as is all the healthcare goodies the government has touched. You've admitted it yourself. Of course Tricare is not the same as Medicare. You can call it whatever the hell you want, but it was promised to me in 1956 and was one of the reasons I shipped over (the first reason was my love for the work I was doing, but I doubt any libs or progressives could understand that). Just think; someone in the military actually loving the work they do. I never used Tricare or Medicare when I retired because I was covered under my civilian jobs. Ditto when I retired from industry because I was covered under Joanne's insurance. I want nothing from my government except that which I earned and was promised. Period. Get off your high moral horse and admit that Social Security is in the red (THE OP). Louie |
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On 4/1/10 9:35 AM, Craig Gullixson wrote:
I think I could live with someone less expensive and less skilled at screwing up the economy. Good one. The main problem (but by no means the only problem) with Wall St., IMO, is the incentive structure. Bankers have a huge upside incentive to make crazy, risky gambles with other people's money. The upside is millions in bonuses, while the downside is -- at worst -- getting fired, and even that doesn't seem to happen very often. BTW, my spell checker wants to change your name to Gullible. :-) -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On 2010-04-01 14:43:25 -0400, Steve M said:
On 4/1/2010 6:15 AM, Giles wrote: On Mar 31, 11:46 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 8:03 PM, Giles wrote: snip Yeah, the score card trope is real precious. You may rest assured that you'll be taken seriously just as soon as we catch up with the backlog of other rocket scientists who have been waiting for years. g. Stung did it? Hmmm... Well, since you seem to be a self-appointed keeper of the flame, I bow to your superior judgement. As far as being 'taken seriously' by this group.... no... not going to touch that one. Oh well, you folks have a good time. Maybe I can find a news group that actually focuses on fishing. You'd think there was one somewhere..... Give a big cheer (or heave a sigh of relief) for I'll not waste my time or yours with any more postings to this group. If you feel compelled to reply to THIS post, realize you are doing so for your own amusement, or to cater to any sycophant followers you may have, as I'll never see it. Rec Outdoors Fly Fishing, my foot. \s Stick around, Steve. The sycophants and the Sisyphuses that haunt this place do report on fly fishing, and usually there are good reports to read. Wade through the extraneous crap and the place ain't half bad. Just ignore the left wing ideological boobs, and the right wing ones too for that matter. d;o) |
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On 3/31/2010 6:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
Is there anyone on earth more stupid than you? Yeah, I can name a whole bunch in this nuthouse that voted for Obama. ....and, i'll vote for him again. jeff (proud of my president...been a while since i felt that way) |
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On 3/31/2010 7:37 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
Gee, just thought of some REALLY stupid people. All those folks in California that voted for Pelosi. Come to think of it, just "all those folks in California" works for me. d;o) those folks include my friends danl and his wife, cindy, and rw, and larry, and...well, dave, i know you're being silly...but, um...those are some of the REALLY, REALLY **NOT STUPID** people i know in california... don't know who "all those folks" might be...but,um, i don't know them. finally...pelosi is a brilliant politician, imo. that she makes republicans wet their diapers and ooze spittle from their lips as they speak is a sign of her genius and worth. g jeff (your really stupid friend in eastern nc) |
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On 3/31/2010 7:33 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 19:00:16 -0400, DaveS said: On Mar 31, 2:42 pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" s aid: "DaveS" wrote in message .. . So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit h ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Thank you. Or with you planning. Or with your service. Thank you. That is very big of you. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Health care and Tricare is NOT in the Constitution. That's my point, David. However, in 1956 a representative of the Government *promised me* a full retirement after 20 years of service and a lifetime of medical care. It was PROMISED. Seemed like a pretty good idea to me. Stay in the military, make some rate, do a good job, retire at age 38, have a small retirement for the rest of my life along with other bennies, *INCLUDING* health care. Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Keeping a promise IS the right thing to do, David. My health care and yours and probably everyone else's will not be any better after this. There is no money. The Government is spending like a drunken sailor in towndown Yokohama. This all started, David, because I pointed out that SS was broke. Tom was recently touting how good SS was and that the health care program will follow its path. The government can not run health care and do it efficiently. Fix it. God yes, it needs help, but to turn it over to the governement is foolhardy at best. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. big grin But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? Amazing. Fix health care, David. It needs fixing, but don't let the government be in charge. It can only lead to catastrophy, one we can not afford. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? Your ghosts really bother you don't they, Dave? Tsk, tsk, remember, Ideology Sucks. A given. And another given is SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKEN, BUSTED, BANKRUPT. As is everything else government has ever tried. Dave ....and, i was "promised" social security... why is your promise better? jeff (my ghosts really...really... bother me.) |
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On 4/1/10 5:47 PM, jeff wrote:
On 3/31/2010 7:37 PM, David LaCourse wrote: Gee, just thought of some REALLY stupid people. All those folks in California that voted for Pelosi. Come to think of it, just "all those folks in California" works for me. d;o) those folks include my friends danl and his wife, cindy, and rw, and larry, and... I've voted for Pelosi (and Boxer) in the past, but now I vote in Idaho. Don't blame me for Larry Craig. :-) -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On 4/1/2010 4:57 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-04-01 14:43:25 -0400, Steve M said: On 4/1/2010 6:15 AM, Giles wrote: On Mar 31, 11:46 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 8:03 PM, Giles wrote: snip Yeah, the score card trope is real precious. You may rest assured that you'll be taken seriously just as soon as we catch up with the backlog of other rocket scientists who have been waiting for years. g. Stung did it? Hmmm... Well, since you seem to be a self-appointed keeper of the flame, I bow to your superior judgement. As far as being 'taken seriously' by this group.... no... not going to touch that one. Oh well, you folks have a good time. Maybe I can find a news group that actually focuses on fishing. You'd think there was one somewhere..... Give a big cheer (or heave a sigh of relief) for I'll not waste my time or yours with any more postings to this group. If you feel compelled to reply to THIS post, realize you are doing so for your own amusement, or to cater to any sycophant followers you may have, as I'll never see it. Rec Outdoors Fly Fishing, my foot. \s Stick around, Steve. The sycophants and the Sisyphuses that haunt this place do report on fly fishing, and usually there are good reports to read. Wade through the extraneous crap and the place ain't half bad. Just ignore the left wing ideological boobs, and the right wing ones too for that matter. d;o) oh god, so much to say... but, if someone is driven from this place because of concern about sycophants and lack of fishing focus...well, hell, just load the gun, put it in your mouth, and blow that lunacy away. better to vomit a sigh of relief. smile at what is silly, focus on the useful, and breathe the life you've got. i say, caress the boobs...don't let them make you crazy (well, unless you're a boob guy...then it's a good thing, eh?) jeff (easily amused...but very appreciative of the amusement) :) |
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On 2010-04-01 19:57:09 -0400, jeff said:
On 3/31/2010 7:33 PM, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 19:00:16 -0400, DaveS said: On Mar 31, 2:42 pm, David LaCourse wrote: On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton" s aid: "DaveS" wrote in message .. . So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit h ol' David's healthcare, huh? Tom Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. You could have done the same. I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE! What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us. Louie Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare. Thank you. Or with you planning. Or with your service. Thank you. That is very big of you. However you seem to have some standards for you and some for others. For example. . . Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people, there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right. Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned? Health care and Tricare is NOT in the Constitution. That's my point, David. However, in 1956 a representative of the Government *promised me* a full retirement after 20 years of service and a lifetime of medical care. It was PROMISED. Seemed like a pretty good idea to me. Stay in the military, make some rate, do a good job, retire at age 38, have a small retirement for the rest of my life along with other bennies, *INCLUDING* health care. Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of (Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Keeping a promise IS the right thing to do, David. My health care and yours and probably everyone else's will not be any better after this. There is no money. The Government is spending like a drunken sailor in towndown Yokohama. This all started, David, because I pointed out that SS was broke. Tom was recently touting how good SS was and that the health care program will follow its path. The government can not run health care and do it efficiently. Fix it. God yes, it needs help, but to turn it over to the governement is foolhardy at best. Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians. big grin But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every available opportunity? Amazing. Fix health care, David. It needs fixing, but don't let the government be in charge. It can only lead to catastrophy, one we can not afford. Dave I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming? Your ghosts really bother you don't they, Dave? Tsk, tsk, remember, Ideology Sucks. A given. And another given is SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKEN, BUSTED, BANKRUPT. As is everything else government has ever tried. Dave ...and, i was "promised" social security... why is your promise better? jeff (my ghosts really...really... bother me.) Better? My promise is BETTER? Hardly, my friend. I do believe we have both been taken to the cleaners. This is the last year we will have to pay max tax, but I'm betting it really isn't. Down the road, if I live long enough, they will continue to sock it to me. |
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On 4/1/2010 12:55 AM, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 31, 7:01 pm, Steve wrote: On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote: On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David wrote: 'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/ And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us. Louie Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most retirees and military. And you know that TRICARE . . . 1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and 2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up 3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal framework. You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch. So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of blind ideological radicalism.) http://www.tricare.mil/ So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles, raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy, Dave I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close enough.... Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground: 1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie) 2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side. 3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument. 4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses. 5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs, and morals. (shoot the messenger) Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see..... Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject of the OP's link. And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner. On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious beliefs (if any). Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10). Tsk. Please do better. \s -- "There is no use in your walking five miles to fish when you can depend on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least read the first post. Be that as it may. . . Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake. The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter. What nonsense. Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is "free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess. And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast and geodetic service etc etc. Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting, much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN, know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the "Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my Medicare" to demo my point. Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you will be changed. Dave i know it may **** you off to have a lawyer agree with you...but, well...right is right. jeff (who has learned women are, mostly, the better part of mankind g...not to mention all that soft, supple, curvy, pleasant, erotic, sensuous, sensual, artistic, kind, genius,...and more poetry) |
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On 4/1/2010 12:12 PM, rw wrote:
On 4/1/10 9:35 AM, Craig Gullixson wrote: I think I could live with someone less expensive and less skilled at screwing up the economy. Good one. The main problem (but by no means the only problem) with Wall St., IMO, is the incentive structure. Bankers have a huge upside incentive to make crazy, risky gambles with other people's money. The upside is millions in bonuses, while the downside is -- at worst -- getting fired, and even that doesn't seem to happen very often. BTW, my spell checker wants to change your name to Gullible. :-) and there's "civilisation" in new mexico? amazing! jeff g |
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