Fly Line Question
 

I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:

The first 4-5 yards of the line was in excellent shape. However the
next 4-5 yards, where the diameter of the line increases
significantly, the line was discolored, grayish, and there appeared to
be small cracks. Upon inspection with a magnifying glass, I could not
detect cracks. The rest of the "thick" part of the line entirely to
the end, where it tapers again, appears fine. I fish mostly the White
River Vermont watershed where the water is somewhat acidic. I
probably average 2 times per week fishing. Also, I clean and
condition every year.

Any ideas what the cause of this condition might be? Maybe it's time
for a new line? The performance still seems ok.

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"Mark Tinsky" wrote in message
...
Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant
to dirt
and cracks?
MT

My best wearing lines have been Cortland 333 and 444.
Ernie

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Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant to dirt
and cracks?

MT

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From: "Ernie"

"Mark Tinsky" wrote in message
...
Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant
to dirt
and cracks?

My best wearing lines have been Cortland 333 and 444.

Same here


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"Ernie" wrote in message
. com...

My best wearing lines have been ....

Do they come in XXL?

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"Mark Tinsky" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant to dirt
and cracks?

MT

My longest lasting plastic lines were Cortland 444´s. The longest lasting
of all are of course silk lines.

TL
MC

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Mark Tinsky wrote in :

Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant to dirt
and cracks?



444 clear creek

Steve

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Frank Church wrote:

....if the performance is OK, why change? On the other hand, I just
purchased Orvis newest Wonderline Advantage in WF4F trout. "The world's
slickest fly line!"


What does slick really mean? I have a Scientific Anglers AST running line
and a Rio Aqualux clear intermediate running line. When you feel the two
with your fingers, the AST clearly feels slicker, the way teflon feels
slick. But when I cast a wet line, I've found that the Rio gives me
longer casts. I think it has something to do not only with the wetness
but with the fact that my Rio is a little stiffer, tending to lie in
larger coils than the Sci Ang AST line. Practicing your casting is
probably the best and most enjoyable way to get some extra distance rahter
than discarding a perfectly good line in order to have the latest
ultra-slick superline on your reel.

Mu

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Mu Young Lee wrote in
cc.itd.umich.edu:
Practicing
your casting is probably the best and most enjoyable way to get some
extra distance rahter than discarding a perfectly good line in order
to have the latest ultra-slick superline on your reel.

...true enough Mu, and since most of my casting is within, say, 30 feet,
even my lobs can make it that far with elcheapo $12 Cortland Fairplay
lines. I admit it, most times I'm a sucker for the latest and greatest and
I hate myself for being so weak. ;-(

Frank 5 thumbs Church

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i had a white scientific anglers DT5F for about 20 years and it and the
backing were still in good condition a few months ago when i replaced them.

although for all but one year, they were unused.

eric
fresno, ca.


From: Stephen Welsh
Organization: Your Company
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Date: 26 Jan 2004 23:34:46 GMT
Subject: Fly Line Question

Mark Tinsky wrote in :

Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant to dirt
and cracks?



444 clear creek

Steve

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forgot to add it was an air cell, i think...

eric
fresno, ca.



From: eric paul zamora
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:05:10 GMT
Subject: Fly Line Question


i had a white scientific anglers DT5F for about 20 years and it and the
backing were still in good condition a few months ago when i replaced them.

although for all but one year, they were unused.

eric
fresno, ca.


From: Stephen Welsh
Organization: Your Company
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Date: 26 Jan 2004 23:34:46 GMT
Subject: Fly Line Question

Mark Tinsky wrote in :

Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant to dirt
and cracks?



444 clear creek

Steve

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Mu Young Lee wrote in
cc.itd.umich.edu:

Practicing your casting is
probably the best and most enjoyable way to get some extra distance
rahter than discarding a perfectly good line in order to have the
latest ultra-slick superline on your reel.


I'd add that as you become more experienced (practiced) you hit the ground
less on the backcast, are less likely to snag a cast in a tree and false
cast unnecessarily - all of which contribite to line wear.

Steve

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On 26 Jan 2004 19:20:56 GMT, ojunk (George Adams) wrote:

From: "Ernie"

"Mark Tinsky" wrote in message
...
Any opinions on the longest wearing fly line? Most resistant
to dirt
and cracks?

My best wearing lines have been Cortland 333 and 444.

Same here

The longest lasting floating line I ever used was an Aircell Supreme.

/daytripper (the softest, crack-proof coating you'll never see again...)

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In daytripper wrote:
The longest lasting floating line I ever used was an Aircell
Supreme.

Indeed, I've got a DT7F Aircell Supreme line that's 20+
years old, and *still* giving good service. One end discoloured
a bit over the years, but it still floats nicely with no cracks,
checks, etc. I flipped it a couple years ago, so it ought to
have at least another 20 years of life left. :-)

Todd (remove hook to reply)

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though it depends on the use of the line and even it's profile (DT lines
seem to last longer)- this is fairly normal wear and indicates its near the
end of it's usefull life. Your line is about ready for replacement.

I get about 2 to 3 years out of a WF floating line. Some people will tell
you they get more perhaps much more but I've heard from many other who get
about the same perfromance as I do.

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"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:

The first 4-5 yards of the line was in excellent shape. However the
next 4-5 yards, where the diameter of the line increases
significantly, the line was discolored, grayish, and there appeared to
be small cracks. Upon inspection with a magnifying glass, I could not
detect cracks. The rest of the "thick" part of the line entirely to
the end, where it tapers again, appears fine. I fish mostly the White
River Vermont watershed where the water is somewhat acidic. I
probably average 2 times per week fishing. Also, I clean and
condition every year.

Any ideas what the cause of this condition might be? Maybe it's time
for a new line? The performance still seems ok.

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Hi Tony & Barb,

Orvis was the first company to have a slick high tech aerospace coating on
their fly lines (made by 3M/SA). A few years ago they were very hot. Now
everyone has something new and slick. The best WF5F fly lines are still
about $60 and this is a good investment.

Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA
www.kiene.com

"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...

I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:

The first 4-5 yards of the line was in excellent shape. However the
next 4-5 yards, where the diameter of the line increases
significantly, the line was discolored, grayish, and there appeared to
be small cracks. Upon inspection with a magnifying glass, I could not
detect cracks. The rest of the "thick" part of the line entirely to
the end, where it tapers again, appears fine. I fish mostly the White
River Vermont watershed where the water is somewhat acidic. I
probably average 2 times per week fishing. Also, I clean and
condition every year.

Any ideas what the cause of this condition might be? Maybe it's time
for a new line? The performance still seems ok.

Fly Line Question
 

"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:
SNIP

If it works OK, there is no reason to stop using it.

Ingrained dirt can often look like cracks. Wash the line in warm soapy
water, ( pure soap! No detergents!)and then rinse and dry it carefully,
before dressing etc.

There are only two main reasons for line failure, ( excepting physical
damage, like cuts, etc etc)one is simply wear, and the other is loss of
softeners, which causes the plastic to harden and crack. Using lines in
some environments may accelerate these processes considerably.

Discussions on the relative longevity of lines, or otherwise, are rather
difficult, as it is quite impossible to know exactly what the line may have
been subjected to.

Most people I know who fish fairly intensively with a single line, don´t
really expect to get more than two seasons out of it.

TL
MC

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In article ,
Frank Church wrote:

Mu Young Lee wrote in
cc.itd.umich.edu:
Practicing
your casting is probably the best and most enjoyable way to get some
extra distance rahter than discarding a perfectly good line in order
to have the latest ultra-slick superline on your reel.

..true enough Mu, and since most of my casting is within, say, 30 feet,
even my lobs can make it that far with elcheapo $12 Cortland Fairplay
lines. I admit it, most times I'm a sucker for the latest and greatest and
I hate myself for being so weak. ;-(

Frank 5 thumbs Church

Where do you get it for $12? All my local fly shops sell it for $20!!

--
"Those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither."
T. Jefferson

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steve sullivan wrote in
:


Where do you get it for $12? All my local fly shops sell it for $20!!

The last one I bought was at Wally-world..which reminds me, come late Jan.
or Feb (at least in our neck of the woods) Wal-Mart closes out some slow
selling stuff at good prices. In the past 2 years in Feb. I picked up some
SA leaders in assorted sizes (3 to 6# test) that retail for $1.95 for a
buck and a quarter, and this is also where I bought the flyline @$12. I'm
already beginning to cruise the sporting goods aisles for booty this year.

Frank Church
...in the land of snow snakes and fur-bearing fish

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Frank Church wrote:

The last one I bought was at Wally-world..which reminds me, come late Jan.
or Feb (at least in our neck of the woods) Wal-Mart closes out some slow
selling stuff at good prices. ...

I'd rather sandpaper my ass and eat beans and habaneros than shop at
Wal-Mart.

http://www.sprawl-busters.com/search.php?readstory=1339

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Frank Church wrote:

The last one I bought was at Wally-world..which reminds me, come late
Jan.
or Feb (at least in our neck of the woods) Wal-Mart closes out some slow
selling stuff at good prices. ...

Ken F wrote:
I'd rather sandpaper my ass and eat beans and habaneros than shop at
Wal-Mart.

at the store level, WalMart has some pretty poor inventory control, so it's
not that uncommon to see stuff priced below cost. sort of like thrift store
shopping, you have to see what's there and wait for the bargains to show up.
I'm not too crazy about WalMart and its effects on retail, but since we have
an economic and political climate that allows most people few (if any) other
options for buying the necessities of life, places like WalMart will
flourish.

I buy my flylines there (or at KMart).
The economy flylines that Cortland and SA manufacture are available there,
but never at the local flyshops.


--
Rusty Hook
Laramie, Wyoming

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Rusty Hook wrote:

...
I'm not too crazy about WalMart and its effects on retail, but since we have
an economic and political climate that allows most people few (if any) other
options for buying the necessities of life, places like WalMart will
flourish.

I buy my flylines there (or at KMart). ...

I won't argue whether or not a fly line is a necessity of life, I could
go both ways on that one ;-), but if a guy can afford several bamboo
fly rods he can afford an extra buck or two for his fly line. I don't
shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...

I'd rather sandpaper my ass and eat beans and habaneros than shop at
Wal-Mart.
.. . .
I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

You've still got a way to go, but T-bone would be proud of the effort. :)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker


What is the going rate on that service now? Not on the menu at the local
house of ill repute. ;-)

Joe C.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't
shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

I'd prefer that, as well. In fact, I'd pay good money to watch.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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rw wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't
shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

I'd prefer that, as well. In fact, I'd pay good money to watch.

I'll bet you would. Quit fantasizing about me, get yourself a boyfriend
and save your good money for the sex toys, you putz.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

rw wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote:


I don't
shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.


I'd prefer that, as well. In fact, I'd pay good money to watch.


I'll bet you would. Quit fantasizing about me, get yourself a boyfriend
and save your good money for the sex toys, you putz.

Hey, I'm only agreeing with you. And who wouldn't pay to watch that
spectacle? In fact, I'd like to film it and put it on the Web. You could
be more famous than Paris Hilton.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote in message
And who wouldn't pay to watch that
spectacle? In fact, I'd like to film it and put it on the Web.

Uh, speaking only for myself; I wouldn't pay to watch a 350-pound hooker do
*anything*. YMMV.

Joe F.

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Uh, speaking only for myself; I wouldn't pay to watch a 350-pound hooker do
*anything*. YMMV.

A 259-pound hooker?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/rugby_union/features/newsid_3106000/3106410.stm
Frank

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"rb608" wrote:
"rw" wrote:
And who wouldn't pay to watch that
spectacle? In fact, I'd like to film it and put it on the Web.

Uh, speaking only for myself; I wouldn't pay to watch a 350-pound hooker do
*anything*. YMMV.

What if she was 9 feet tall? Could be interesting. . .
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
m:

I won't argue whether or not a fly line is a necessity of life, I
could go both ways on that one ;-), but if a guy can afford several
bamboo fly rods he can afford an extra buck or two for his fly line. I
don't shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out
three at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

But Kenny, that was for one of my kpos's you ninny. Why would I put on a
flyline that cost more than the rod? But I agree with your sentiment about
K-Mart, I get the willies just stepping in to one of those places. The same
as, on *very* rare occasions, when I sneak into a Big Lots, I'm always
afraid someone I know might see me. :-)

Frank the skulker

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K-Mart, I get the willies just stepping in to one of those places. The
same

Around here (Lehigh Valley, PA), the Wal-Marts are scarier than the K-Marts.
But I do know what you're talking about.

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Tony & Barb Vellturo wrote:

I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:

The first 4-5 yards of the line was in excellent shape. However the
next 4-5 yards, where the diameter of the line increases
significantly, the line was discolored, grayish, and there appeared to
be small cracks. Upon inspection with a magnifying glass, I could not
detect cracks. The rest of the "thick" part of the line entirely to
the end, where it tapers again, appears fine. I fish mostly the White
River Vermont watershed where the water is somewhat acidic. I
probably average 2 times per week fishing. Also, I clean and
condition every year.

Any ideas what the cause of this condition might be? Maybe it's time
for a new line? The performance still seems ok.

Cleaning and contioning once a year sounds very little to me. I usually
do it after every outing. If
I go to our local casting ponds I can tell that line performance starts
to decrease after 15-20min due
to the high concentration of algae in the ponds. And spending a day
streamside leaves the same impression.
Sometimes at the end of the day and at other times after a few hours.
Typically I apply a coating of Glide
before dinner and then wiped it off afterwards. Im using white felt pads
and can tell by looking at those that
I do get rid of a lot of dirt. Cleaning my line after a session at the
ponds may require this repeated 6-8 times.

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, steve sullivan wrote:

Where do you get it for $12? All my local fly shops sell it for $20!!

I got my Sci Ang 65' Concept for $12 at Meijer. It's sort of a Michigan
version of WalMart.

Mu

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I don't
shop at Kmart either, I'd rather have my pubic hair plucked out three
at a time by a 350 pound, two toothed hooker than shop at Kmart.

I thought after the last time you said you weren't going to do that anymore.

Snoop




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As suggested a good wash may remove the problem or improve it. I'd also
suggest you clean your lines more often than once a season, perhaps every
few trips. Regularly removing dirt should reduce line friction and keep dirt
from grinding into the coating and extend the life of the line to some
extent. But don't expect miracles.

To me the small cracks you observe suggests the start of ring cracks -
concentric splits in the line coating. you can certainly continue to use the
line until the coating falls off the core or you don't find it pleasant
anymore



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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:
SNIP

If it works OK, there is no reason to stop using it.

.. Wash the line in warm soapy
water, ( pure soap! No detergents!)and then rinse and dry it carefully,

Slick fly lines Fly Line Question
 

rb608 wrote:

"rw" wrote in message

And who wouldn't pay to watch that
spectacle? In fact, I'd like to film it and put it on the Web.


Uh, speaking only for myself; I wouldn't pay to watch a 350-pound hooker do
*anything*. YMMV.



elitist!

jeff (who's paid good money for the privilege of observing handyman mike
service a penns trout... a most excellent hooker)

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Thanks for all your suggestions. I guess that a big concern I have is
that the front end of the line shows none of this wear and only a
fraction of the total length shows this "discoloration"? It would
seem to me that the first 5 yarda would show the most wear.


On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:36:07 GMT, (Tony & Barb
Vellturo) wrote:

I purchased an Orvis Wonderline, WF-5-F, 3 to 4 years ago. Paid about
$50-$60 for it. When I started cleaning and conditioning the line
this year I found th following condition:

The first 4-5 yards of the line was in excellent shape. However the
next 4-5 yards, where the diameter of the line increases
significantly, the line was discolored, grayish, and there appeared to
be small cracks. Upon inspection with a magnifying glass, I could not
detect cracks. The rest of the "thick" part of the line entirely to
the end, where it tapers again, appears fine. I fish mostly the White
River Vermont watershed where the water is somewhat acidic. I
probably average 2 times per week fishing. Also, I clean and
condition every year.

Any ideas what the cause of this condition might be? Maybe it's time
for a new line? The performance still seems ok.

Fly Line Question
 

Tony & Barb Vellturo wrote:

...... I guess that a big concern I have is
that the front end of the line shows none of this wear and only a
fraction of the total length shows this "discoloration"? It would
seem to me that the first 5 yards would show the most wear.

Friend, you must lead a life exceptionally free of care and woe.

JR