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It was private waters all of Spruce Creek is private

Almost all. Theres a short stretch owned by Penn State, known as
the George Harvey section, that's open to the public, C&R. It's
identified by a large sign beside the highway, about a mile above the
village of Spruce Creek.

... however, i thought there was a recent court decision declaring pa.'s streams public?

Jeff, you're probably referring the the case of some private water on
the Little Juniata River, right at the confluence of Spruce Creek.

That case hasn't been settled yet. As I understand it, the fate of
that water depends on whether the Little J is determined to be
"navigable." So the outcome would not affect Spruce Creek, which is
obviously not navigable.

If anyone cares, I'll try to remember to post any results I hear
about.

vince

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less than 4 months til the next penns gathering, and it can't arrive
soon enough for me. in an optimistic grasp, i hold zimbo's emergence as
the feel of positive prophecy for the up-coming fishing year.

watched an espn show this morning. dave mullen (?) was guiding some tv
fisherman on spruce creek and penns. spruce creek was tiny in some of
the places shown...but huge fish. the john was catching big fish right
at his feet using a nymph in very shallow, clear water. how far away
from penns is spruce creek, and is it worth a trip? on penns, it looked
like they were fishing the area around ingleby...dry fly, and an
enormous brown caught.

boyz...this is the year the sun is gonna shine and we're going to send a
swede (and a carolina rube) home with fishy tales to tell.

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:%fQSb.14294$fZ6.2801@lakeread06...
less than 4 months til the next penns gathering, and it can't arrive
soon enough for me. in an optimistic grasp, i hold zimbo's emergence as
the feel of positive prophecy for the up-coming fishing year.

watched an espn show this morning. dave mullen (?) was guiding some tv
fisherman on spruce creek and penns. spruce creek was tiny in some of
the places shown...but huge fish. the john was catching big fish right
at his feet using a nymph in very shallow, clear water. how far away
from penns is spruce creek, and is it worth a trip? on penns, it looked
like they were fishing the area around ingleby...dry fly, and an
enormous brown caught.

boyz...this is the year the sun is gonna shine and we're going to send a
swede (and a carolina rube) home with fishy tales to tell.


Enormous brown sounds intriguing. I just ordered a a better map of the area,
can't wait to get my hands on it.

/Roger

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Jeff Miller wrote:
less than 4 months til the next penns gathering, and it can't arrive
soon enough for me. in an optimistic grasp, i hold zimbo's emergence as
the feel of positive prophecy for the up-coming fishing year.

watched an espn show this morning. dave mullen (?) was guiding some tv
fisherman on spruce creek and penns. spruce creek was tiny in some of
the places shown...but huge fish. the john was catching big fish right
at his feet using a nymph in very shallow, clear water. how far away
from penns is spruce creek, and is it worth a trip? on penns, it looked
like they were fishing the area around ingleby...dry fly, and an
enormous brown caught.

boyz...this is the year the sun is gonna shine and we're going to send a
swede (and a carolina rube) home with fishy tales to tell.



Think they were fishing some private water with "enhanced" fish.

Willi

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From: Willi

Think they were fishing some private water with "enhanced" fish.

Yup, sounds like first episode of "Fly Fishing Masters" where they were taking
4 lb+ fish out of Spruce Creek, and the creek looked more like a brook. Highly
doubt that this was public water.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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It was private waters all of Spruce Creek is private... In Maine you can own
the land up to the water but not under the water.....Pa. is different or so i
was told.....It was Flyfishing Masters Show they carry all those big fish from
area to area to catch them over and over and over and over you get the
drift........


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick

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i figured spruce creek was probably seeded because the john was catching
fish right at his feet in clear water... however, i thought there was a
recent court decision declaring pa.'s streams public? but, that penns'
brown...whoeee...

Mike wrote:
It was private waters all of Spruce Creek is private... In Maine you can own
the land up to the water but not under the water.....Pa. is different or so i
was told.....It was Flyfishing Masters Show they carry all those big fish from
area to area to catch them over and over and over and over you get the
drift........


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick

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"vincent p. norris" wrote:

If anyone cares, I'll try to remember to post any results I hear
about.

I care, Vince, I care. (We liberals can't help ourselves). g

No, seriously, the issue of "navigability" is at the core of the fight
to maintain (or in many cases, have recognized) the public's right to
access Oregon rivers, so I'd be most interested in the Little J outcome.

JR

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Almost all. Theres a short stretch owned by Penn State, known as
the George Harvey section, that's open to the public, C&R. It's
identified by a large sign beside the highway, about a mile above the
village of Spruce Creek.

Isn't there a good chunk in the private section that is owned by a fishing club ?

Yes, the Spruce Creek Rod and Gun Club owns a mile or so. I had the
good fortune to fish the Club's water last summer with Charlie Meck, a
member. Lots of big fish!

I'd love to be a member, but it costs a fortune and, I've heard, you
also have to be the son, grandson, and great-grandson of a member.

vince

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I care, Vince, I care. (We liberals can't help ourselves). g

No, seriously, the issue of "navigability" is at the core of the fight
to maintain (or in many cases, have recognized) the public's right to
access Oregon rivers, so I'd be most interested in the Little J outcome.

JR

OK, I'll try to remember to post anything I learn.

vince

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I care, Vince, I care. (We liberals can't help ourselves). g

I took a hint from Warren's post, went to Google, and typed in "Donny
Beaver Lawsuit."

It brought me several web sites. You can check them out.

vince

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In article , says...
"vincent p. norris" wrote:

If anyone cares, I'll try to remember to post any results I hear
about.

I care, Vince, I care. (We liberals can't help ourselves). g

You feel his pain..... bseg

No, seriously, the issue of "navigability" is at the core of the fight
to maintain (or in many cases, have recognized) the public's right to
access Oregon rivers, so I'd be most interested in the Little J outcome.

Hey, are either of you seeing any mention of a group called Mountain
States Legal Foundation based out of Colorado? This article may be of
interest even if you haven't.

http://www.montanariveraction.org/stream.access.html

There is another article entitled "Navigable Rivers and Public Access"
that may be of interest as well.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
For Conclave Info:
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says...
I took a hint from Warren's post, went to Google, and typed in "Donny
Beaver Lawsuit."

It brought me several web sites. You can check them out.

I read a few articles doing the search you suggested. It seems that
this case has been going on for quite some time (since 2000 or 2001).
Does it look like there is going to be a decision made any time soon?
The answer to my question very well could be in one of the sites the
search turned up but I didn't think sites like holytitclamps.com would
have any information even though "lawsuit," "Beaver" and "Donny" were
all in the brief description. ;-) And I am not making that up either.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
For Conclave Info:
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I read a few articles doing the search you suggested. It seems that
this case has been going on for quite some time (since 2000 or 2001).

Yes, it has.

Does it look like there is going to be a decision made any time soon?

Don't know, Warren. I hope so.

vince

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Jeff Miller wrote in message news:%fQSb.14294$fZ6.2801@lakeread06...
less than 4 months til the next penns gathering, and it can't arrive
soon enough for me. in an optimistic grasp, i hold zimbo's emergence as
the feel of positive prophecy for the up-coming fishing year.

watched an espn show this morning. dave mullen (?) was guiding some tv
fisherman on spruce creek and penns. spruce creek was tiny in some of
the places shown...but huge fish. the john was catching big fish right
at his feet using a nymph in very shallow, clear water. how far away
from penns is spruce creek, and is it worth a trip? on penns, it looked
like they were fishing the area around ingleby...dry fly, and an
enormous brown caught.

boyz...this is the year the sun is gonna shine and we're going to send a
swede (and a carolina rube) home with fishy tales to tell.

Jeff,
I watched that episode. It is not representative of fly fishing in
central PA, as you well know. Fishing the central PA limestoners is
like pursuing a beautiful, classy, vivacious lady with bright eyes and
white teeth... you gotta use all that you got and you may still not
score. The ESPN showed this area as an old worn-out hooker laying on
a moth-eaten old sofa, crack pipe in hand, eyes blood shot and rotten
teeth... the only thing keeping you from scoring is a fist-full of
currency. I don't appreciate the Spring Ridge Club's attempts at
privitizing our trout streams.

How many rainbows have you caught on Penns Creek, BFC, or Spring
Creek? Rainbow trout don't do very well on our limestoners, and they
definitely don't grow to that size in a natural setting. The slam
hogs on Spruce are stocked, they caught a big bow on Spring Creek and
that is a wild brown trout fishery, and another big bow on Penns.
Nope that was not Ingleby, that was the pool below Penns Cave
(pay-to-fish).

Spruce Creek is about 60 miles from Coburn. There is about 1/2 mile
of public access, but it runs into the Little Juniata River. There
are many times that Penns is blown-out and the Little J is perfect,
and vice-versa. So driving down that way may not be out of the
question. The Spring Ridge club boasts a 15 pound slam hog rainbow in
the disputed stretch of the Little J. Bring a bag of fish pellets and
some floating pellet imitations with you.

DavePA

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DavePA writes:

Spruce Creek is about 60 miles from Coburn. There is about 1/2 mile
of public access, but it runs into the Little Juniata River. There
are many times that Penns is blown-out and the Little J is perfect,
and vice-versa. So driving down that way may not be out of the
question. The Spring Ridge club boasts a 15 pound slam hog rainbow in
the disputed stretch of the Little J. Bring a bag of fish pellets and
some floating pellet imitations with you.


I'll go, but we have to stop for some more of those artery clogging french
fries!!!

Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html