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Tom commented on this book:

"Never have I seen an example of horse**** excess for no real
fishing gain in my life."

Although I still haven't read or even seen it, it's probably like most
stuff out there. Fly fishing has been around for a considerable amount
of time and with the increase in popularity in the sport and the
corresponding increase in books in the area, there really isn't much new
to write about. There have been some minor changes and "advances" but
few of these offer enough material for a book. The essence of fly
fishing remains the same.

What made me bring it up is that on the San Juan discussion group, the
book is highly praised.

Willi

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Willi notes:

excellent points snipped
What made me bring it up is that on the San Juan discussion group, the
book is highly praised.

Dude, the book contains recipes for about 250 midge larvae, with exactly 3
different designs! Only variations are in body materials. When someone proves
to me the necessity of having to match segmentation patterns or colors on a
size 24 pale olive midge, I will rethink my opinion of this text. Perhaps a
Westerner will win the Raffle copy at Penn's.
Tom

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"Willi" wrote in message
...
Tom commented on this book:

"Never have I seen an example of horse**** excess for no real
fishing gain in my life."

Although I still haven't read or even seen it, it's probably like most
stuff out there.

[Buncha worthless crap snipped]



Willi




Obviously, none of that matters a bit, Willi. What's really important is
whether "this book" is a novel, a novella, or a memoir. Please repost your
comments with the appropriate designation of said work of literature. And do
try to keep up.

Danl

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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:30:37 -0800, "Danl"
wrote:

What's really important is
whether "this book" is a novel, a novella, or a memoir. Please repost your
comments with the appropriate designation of said work of literature. And do
try to keep up.

Bull****. It has recipes, which is all that matters.
--
Charlie...

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:30:37 -0800, "Danl"
wrote:

What's really important is
whether "this book" is a novel, a novella, or a memoir. Please repost
your
comments with the appropriate designation of said work of literature. And
do
try to keep up.

Bull****. It has recipes, which is all that matters.

Well no, not quite all. Are they one and only original AUTHENTIC recipes?
THAT'S what matters.

Wolfgang

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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:47:41 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Well no, not quite all. Are they one and only original AUTHENTIC recipes?
THAT'S what matters.

Yep, you're right, And to be truly great it needs football scores too.
--
Charlie...

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On 2004-02-01 12:30:37 -0700, "Danl" said:


"Willi" wrote in message
...
Tom commented on this book:

"Never have I seen an example of horse**** excess for no real
fishing gain in my life."

Although I still haven't read or even seen it, it's probably like most
stuff out there.

[Buncha worthless crap snipped]



Willi




Obviously, none of that matters a bit, Willi. What's really important is
whether "this book" is a novel, a novella, or a memoir. Please repost
your
comments with the appropriate designation of said work of literature. And
do
try to keep up.

What REALLY matters is whether someone's going to make it into a movie.
Then we can safely be snobbish about it.

-------------
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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rw wrote:

On 2004-02-01 12:30:37 -0700, "Danl" said:


"Willi" wrote in message
...
Tom commented on this book:

"Never have I seen an example of horse**** excess for no real
fishing gain in my life."

Although I still haven't read or even seen it, it's probably like most
stuff out there.

[Buncha worthless crap snipped]



Willi




Obviously, none of that matters a bit, Willi. What's really important is
whether "this book" is a novel, a novella, or a memoir. Please repost

your

comments with the appropriate designation of said work of literature. And

do

try to keep up.


What REALLY matters is whether someone's going to make it into a movie.
Then we can safely be snobbish about it.



No, it only matters if the movie is popular.

Willi

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:47:41 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Well no, not quite all. Are they one and only original AUTHENTIC
recipes?
THAT'S what matters.

Yep, you're right, And to be truly great it needs football scores too.

Speaking of which, for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
Speaking of which, for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

Wolfgang


Yeah. It's the Brady Bunch from New York or New Jersey or some other New
Somewhere up in Damned Yankee Land vs. the Mayberry Mob from one, or maybe
both, of the Carolinas. They're not saying.

There's supposed to be some "surprise" guest at halftime. Someone guessed
that it's the Shrublet with bin Laden on a leash. It's been a few weeks
since the Whore of Houston has popped out of a cake for a photo-op.

Speaking of which, an acquaintance is starting the "bin Laden" pool. Ya pays
your dime and you pick which week between March 1 and the November election
that binny boy is trotted out to the media. I've got the last week of
August.

Danl

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Danl wrote:

... Ya pays
your dime and you pick which week between March 1 and the November election
that binny boy is trotted out to the media. I've got the last week of
August.

I'll take the second week of October, although I doubt anybody's gonna
be "surprised".

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Danl" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
Speaking of which, for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

Wolfgang


Yeah. It's the Brady Bunch from New York or New Jersey or some other New
Somewhere up in Damned Yankee Land vs. the Mayberry Mob from one, or maybe
both, of the Carolinas. They're not saying.

Um.....o.k......but if you're lying to me, so help me.......... :(

There's supposed to be some "surprise" guest at halftime. Someone guessed
that it's the Shrublet with bin Laden on a leash. It's been a few weeks
since the Whore of Houston has popped out of a cake for a photo-op.

They had a surprise musical guest at the big bash finishing off Harley's
100th annivseray party here last summer. Rumor had it that it was going to
be the Stones. Evidently everyone was surprised and disappointed nearly to
the point of mutinous riots when it turned out to be Elton instead. Go
figure.

Maybe the surprise guest today will be like....oh, say, Sandler and Young,
or Briggs and Stratton, or Sacco and Vanzetti or something. :)

Speaking of which, an acquaintance is starting the "bin Laden" pool. Ya
pays
your dime and you pick which week between March 1 and the November
election
that binny boy is trotted out to the media. I've got the last week of
August.

O.K., I'm in for a shiny new nickel (which, as everyone knows, is worth more
than a dime cuz it's bigger).......um......when's Sweetest Day?

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
..

O.K., I'm in for a shiny new nickel (which, as everyone knows, is worth
more
than a dime cuz it's bigger).......um......when's Sweetest Day?

Wolfgang


15 days before Reformation Sunday, this year. It's Sukkot that always throws
me. By the time I figure out when it is, damned if it ain't gone!

Danl

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"Danl" wrote in message
...
15 days before Reformation Sunday, this year. It's Sukkot that always
throws
me. By the time I figure out when it is, damned if it ain't gone!

Danl


BTW, Happy Groundhog's Eve to everyone. May the Omniscient Rodent bless us
each and every one!

Tiny Danl

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On 2004-02-01 13:00:15 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:


"Charlie Choc" wrote in
message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:47:41 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

Well no, not quite all. Are they one and only original AUTHENTIC
recipes?
THAT'S what matters.

Yep, you're right, And to be truly great it needs football scores too.

Speaking of which, for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

I pick the Browns by 3.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Danl" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...
.

O.K., I'm in for a shiny new nickel (which, as everyone knows, is worth
more
than a dime cuz it's bigger).......um......when's Sweetest Day?

Wolfgang


15 days before Reformation Sunday, this year. It's Sukkot that always
throws
me. By the time I figure out when it is, damned if it ain't gone!

Um.....yeah.....me too.

Wolfgang
? :(

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"Danl" wrote in message
...

BTW, Happy Groundhog's Eve to everyone. May the Omniscient Rodent bless us
each and every one!

Tiny Danl

Why, thank you! :)

Wolfgang
groundhog baby, class of '51.

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
On 2004-02-01 13:00:15 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:

...for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

I pick the Browns by 3.

Place any large bets?

Wolfgang

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
On 2004-02-01 13:00:15 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:

//snip//
I pick the Browns by 3.

--

Browns are favored, but the Phillie Athletics will take it . . .

Bob
St Louis: first in shoes, first in booze, and last in the American League

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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:35:39 -0800, "Danl"
wrote:



Speaking of which, an acquaintance is starting the "bin Laden" pool. Ya pays
your dime and you pick which week between March 1 and the November election
that binny boy is trotted out to the media. I've got the last week of
August.

I don't think they can trot him out. I think he's been dead for quite
a while.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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wrote in message
...
I don't think they can trot him out. I think he's been dead for quite
a while.

Hell, they don't need the real one. Who's gonna check?

Joe F.

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:17:17 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I don't think they can trot him out. I think he's been dead for quite
a while.

Hell, they don't need the real one. Who's gonna check?

True. Look how long Strom served in the senate before they figured out
he was dead and stuffed.
--
Charlie...

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On 2004-02-01 14:29:31 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:


"rw" wrote in message
. ..
On 2004-02-01 13:00:15 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:

...for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

I pick the Browns by 3.

Place any large bets?

What? You don't think they'll cover the point spread?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:19:05 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:17:17 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
I don't think they can trot him out. I think he's been dead for quite
a while.

Hell, they don't need the real one. Who's gonna check?

True. Look how long Strom served in the senate before they figured out
he was dead and stuffed.

Many said the same about Reagan....

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:17:17 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I don't think they can trot him out. I think he's been dead for quite
a while.

Hell, they don't need the real one. Who's gonna check?

Joe F.


Only the French...

--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"rw" wrote in message
. ..
On 2004-02-01 14:29:31 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:


"rw" wrote in message
. ..
On 2004-02-01 13:00:15 -0700, "Wolfgang" said:

...for reasons that escape me entirely, I find myself
hosting a Superbowl party today. Does anybody know who's playing?

I pick the Browns by 3.

Place any large bets?

What? You don't think they'll cover the point spread?

Don't know. Place any large bets?

Wolfgang
oh, and did you read this?

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"Willi" wrote


What made me bring it up is that on the San Juan discussion group, the
book is highly praised.


That doesn't surprise me, the San Juan came to mind as I read the book. It
mentions a "white on white" pattern for black fly larva and I remembered
seeing a lot of "small white wigglies" in my seine the one time I fished the
Juan

I found the book "thought provoking" ... but much of that thought was
devoted to just how obsessive fly fishers can get G. Not all of it though,
there is information that will help catch fish ...even if you already have a
box of thread midge patterns ...

The more specialized the topic the less the majority of people will find of
benefit, from any FF book. I, personally, don't know anyone that fishes
midges enough to take all the very slight color variations listed in this
book, seriously ... I don't

But, by the same token, I do believe in the value of observation and the
resulting power of confidence that comes from believing you are fishing an
"exact match" I'd bet the author DOES catch lots more fish with patterns
he thinks are right, than ones he finds less perfect ..... don't we all? ...
I know I do .... and I know that seeking that "perfect match" is most of the
fun in the game ( yes the perfect presentation is part of the perfect match,
a big part :- )

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Larry L wrote:


But, by the same token, I do believe in the value of observation and the
resulting power of confidence that comes from believing you are fishing an
"exact match" I'd bet the author DOES catch lots more fish with patterns
he thinks are right, than ones he finds less perfect ..... don't we all? ...
I know I do .... and I know that seeking that "perfect match" is most of the
fun in the game ( yes the perfect presentation is part of the perfect match,
a big part :- )



You're right about the role confidence plays. However, I think it's an
exercise in futility to try and make a perfect match using our eyes and
often that "perfect match" isn't the best fly. A fishes' eyes function
in a different way from ours and their circuitry is different. One
straight forward example is that trout perceive further into both ends
of the color spectrum than we do. Perception also goes beyond the
mechanics of the eye. At least in people, some aspects of perception are
learned. In both fish and man, the brain processes the information it
receives from the eyes.

I don't have the perception of a fish and like everyone else use my own
senses because it's what we have to work with. I think that this
difference in perception may be why certain "weird" flies are effective.

Willi

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"Willi" wrote in message
...


...I...use my own
senses because it's what we have to work with. I think that this
difference in perception may be why certain "weird" flies are effective.

Not to mention political philosophies, theologies, social contracts,
investment strategies........ :)

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote:

Wolfgang
groundhog baby, class of '51.

Happy birthday, I guess.

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"Charlie Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote:

Wolfgang
groundhog baby, class of '51.

Happy birthday, I guess.

Thanks.

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang
groundhog baby, class of '51.

Happy Natal Day Wolfie. Get any thing good? Thesaurus maybe? :-)
Frank Reid

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"Willi" wrote

, I think it's an
exercise in futility to try and make a perfect match using our eyes and
often that "perfect match" isn't the best fly. A fishes' eyes function
in a different way from ours and their circuitry is different.

snip
I don't have the perception of a fish and like everyone else use my own
senses because it's what we have to work with. I think that this
difference in perception may be why certain "weird" flies are effective.


I have a lot of theories about "fakes" and visually fooling prey ... many of
them developed duck hunting, believe it or not, then expanded by fly
fishing. The fishing I most enjoy is much like decoy waterfowl hunting,
for me, and my observations show many similarities between what it takes to
make a convincing decoy spread and a good fly/ presentation

Maybe someday we can BS about this stuff in person, I'd love to hear your
opinions, but it would simply take too long to type it all up for a word
byte media.

But the one thing I would like to say is that often an "exact" ( in our
eyes) fake is NOT the best fake and I often intentionally "cartoon" certain
features of both flies and my homemade decoys.

I believe prey "look for" positives ( called triggers sometimes) and those
positives can be exaggerated well beyond "natural" to success, usually.
When the prey becomes educated enough to look for negatives ( tippet or
decoy anchor lines for instance) they become nearly impossible to fool ...
but there is an intermediate level of "PHD fish/duck" that learns to look
for more subtle positive triggers or several in combination ... they are
the fish and birds that make the game, not the dummies or the "too educated"
ones. I love the birds that circle half a hour before coming in, looking
and looking, and the fish that refuse "fly shop fare" but will finally sip a
more subtle tie ... maybe after two days of tying and trying G

I make snide remarks about attractors mainly to stir the ****, but
"attracting" is the first thing any fly or decoy must do and the "naturals"
are usually far less noticeable than the most effective fakes

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in message
...

Wolfgang
groundhog baby, class of '51.

Happy Natal Day Wolfie.

Thanks.

Get any thing good?

Yep, a deep fryer, a spatula, and three Ferrero Rocher chocolate
truffles......just ate the last one. :)

Thesaurus maybe? :-)

Huh? What means?

Wolfgang

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"Larry L" wrote in
:



I found the book "thought provoking" ... but much of that thought was
devoted to just how obsessive fly fishers can get G. Not all of it
though, there is information that will help catch fish ...even if you
already have a box of thread midge patterns ...

Don't you mean "Guido Specials" ?? $-)

I increasingly find myself annoyed by the claims of authors and some
guides to have come up with one tying (fishing, casting ...) style or
another. As you say Larry, a thread midge is just that, the same goes
for parachute ties whether they be kip tail, turkey flat or CDC winged.
I've seen articles where such changes have been claimed as a "So-and-so"
style emerger. It's a bloody parachute dry. Changing the post material
doesn't confer naming rights on the tyer as if they were the biological
parent!

Which brings me to the language ... take "aborted dun" for example.
WTF does that mean? Some streamside ephemobstetrician is performing
abortions? What's wrong with the "cripple"? Riffle and ripple both
rhyme with cripple, but they aren't interchangeable when describing
stream features as one author would have us believe.

Casting styles - re-named, tying styles - renamed, fishing styles -
renamed (Czech style nymphing is now "Bugging" ...apparently none of them
knew about Leisenring or indeed the chap who preceeded him ...bugger what
was his name ... by the best part of a century) ... not so curiously, we
see the same sort of re-naming and marketing bulldust in IT.

Fortunately not all authors/editors are evil - unfortunately they
are becoming lost in the chaff: I have to say buying what
used to be a worthwhile mag for one legitimate columnist wears thin
after awhile.


The more specialized the topic the less the majority of people will
find of benefit, from any FF book. I, personally, don't know anyone
that fishes midges enough to take all the very slight color variations
listed in this book, seriously ... I don't

Anyone who fishes minutiae enough to take slight colour variations
seriously should know enough not to take them seriously. $-}


Steve (going fishin' ...)

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"Stephen Welsh" wrote


Anyone who fishes minutiae enough to take slight colour variations
seriously should know enough not to take them seriously. $-}



I like that ..... I'll probably steal that one sometime .... maybe in a book
on my new fly styles, using revolutionary Antelope hair wings, and tied to
imitate "emergence impaired" naturals

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"Larry L" wrote in
:

I like that ..... I'll probably steal that one sometime .... maybe in
a book on my new fly styles, using revolutionary Antelope hair wings,
and tied to imitate "emergence impaired" naturals



*laugh*

Steve (yeah .. I'm going' ...)

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Stephen Welsh wrote:

"Larry L" wrote in
:



I found the book "thought provoking" ... but much of that thought was
devoted to just how obsessive fly fishers can get G. Not all of it
though, there is information that will help catch fish ...even if you
already have a box of thread midge patterns ...


Don't you mean "Guido Specials" ?? $-)

I increasingly find myself annoyed by the claims of authors and some
guides to have come up with one tying (fishing, casting ...) style or
another. As you say Larry, a thread midge is just that, the same goes
for parachute ties whether they be kip tail, turkey flat or CDC winged.
I've seen articles where such changes have been claimed as a "So-and-so"
style emerger. It's a bloody parachute dry. Changing the post material
doesn't confer naming rights on the tyer as if they were the biological
parent!

That's been going around since the beginning. Look at the old fanciful
wet fly patterns and streamers of the past that were dreamt up, usually
just for ego. There have been some famous historic battles over
"ownership" of a fly pattern.

Although there are few specific patterns I tie, like Charlie's Orange
Stimulator (although I do tie it a bit differently than he does), mostly
I look at flies more in terms of tying styles that can be tied using
different materials and colors - like your parachute example.





Anyone who fishes minutiae enough to take slight colour variations
seriously should know enough not to take them seriously. $-}


Although I tend to agree with you, some VERY good San Juan anglers rely
on those "minutiae" differences and will swear that they are a big part
of their success. Personally, I'm not a big fly changer. Different
strokes, I guess.

Willi

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Larry L wrote:

I love the birds that circle half a hour before coming in, looking
and looking, and the fish that refuse "fly shop fare" but will finally sip a
more subtle tie ... maybe after two days of tying and trying G

I always wonder about that one. Was it really the fly or...

Was it just timing?

Was it just that your presentation was finally right?

The conditions changed a bit

Or you just changed your socks

Or?????


I think that when people have success after a fly change, that success
is more often caused by things other than finding the "right" fly.

Willi