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Jim L. Holweg June 26th, 2004 05:47 AM

Senko's
 
Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!
Thanx!!



Marty June 26th, 2004 06:17 AM

Senko's
 

"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
...
Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!


Great baits, and the expense is worth it to many folks. I've tried Yum
Dingers at less than half the price, and they work very well also. People
report many different knockoffs that they think work just as well. You're
just going to have to try a few and see how they work for you.

Good luck.



[email protected] June 26th, 2004 07:56 AM

Senko's
 
Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket


alwaysfishking June 26th, 2004 09:24 AM

Senko's
 
www.wackyworm.com, one of the better knockoffs and now they have 6 inch
wacko's as well

wrote in message
...
Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket




G. M. Zimmermann June 26th, 2004 09:39 AM

Senko's
 
There's no question that senkos are a great lure and really catch fish. I
wouldn't mind the price nearly as much if they were more durable. It seems
that every time I catch a fish on one, the fish fighting is enough to shake
the Senko off the hook. I'll bet that 6 or 7 times out of ten, The senko is
gone by the time I land the fish.
On the plus side, they work so well that I can pretty much count on catching at
least one fish on each one. So to me, each pack of Senkos equals 12 to 15 fish
caught.
The one knock off of the senko that I have had good success is the Wave
lures Tiki-Stik.

-Zimmy

Rodney June 26th, 2004 10:42 AM

Senko's
 
Marty wrote:
"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
...

Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!



I have never fished the Senko, but I have been in the same boat with a
pro fishing it, he swears by them, but on that day, he could not buy a
fish on it, I had landed 6 before he changed baits. I think it just
might be over promoted, I'm sure it works fine when the fish are not
high pressured, and are active, or maybe it just was other unknown
reasons it did not work that day

That's the weird thing about bass,, and bass fishing, sometimes you
think they will only hit one lure, or hit one better than others, I
believe it's all in the mood of each fish, at any given time, that not
only the lure, but the exact presentation, at the exact time. Of course
you don't know what either is until you start catching fish

ANother thing is "is there actually a bass there?", I would bet that for
every 100 cast, on average, you might bring it by 5 to 10 bass, and that
is if your good at finding bass. You could easily drag the best lure,
for the conditions, through the water for an hour,, and never drag it by
a bass, then change over to another less productive lure, and then start
dragging it by bass and catching them. Fishing is like Pin the tail on
the Donkey,, but your blind folded, and no one points you even close to
the right direction, or there is no donkey to pin, but you don't know it.

So how do you know which lure is worth the money,, you don't,, not
really,, you just base your belief on the lures you have caught the most
fish on, yet there are hundreds of other variables, that could have
caused this, the biggest being,, you threw one lure more times than
others, thus making it more productive,, You believe in the lure, so you
use it more.

WE all know that at certain times, a bass will hit anything that moves,,
sometimes even things that don't move, but we spend hundreds or even
thousands of hours trying to figure out what works best,, no one has
ever done this, or they would win every tournament they interred.

SO what conclusions do we draw ?

It just can't be figured out :-)

Yet some fishermen catch more and bigger than "most" others on most
days. I think they do so more on their ability to "find" fish, than the
lure they are using.

When fish are found , the "presentation" of any lure, makes more of a
difference than the lure, and this is where I spend my time inventing,
and testing. Testing is the hardest part in this,, how do you do
control test in bass fishing,, you really can't,, there is no control
you have over the fish or the conditions , so the only way I can do any
test that really matters is head to head, in the same boat, fishing for
the same fish, at the same time with different "presentations". I will
be testing one,, but there are thousands of others, I need to test against

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com


Bob Rickard June 26th, 2004 02:29 PM

Senko's
 
Thanks, Sket, and hooray for common sense, one of the most rare of God's
creations. Some may disapprove here, but for the moment I am going to pursue
this concept much further.

I occasionaly hear some really good, intelligent anglers rant at our lures,
proclaiming "I would never pay over $7 for a spinnerbait". That, folks, is
just not real smart. Consider these factors: Good (repeat, "Good")
spinnerbaits are among the most expensive lures to make, and their prices
are seldom a rip-off. Spinnerbaits are also among the hardest lures to lose,
and can often survive many, many years(!) of hard use. Used properly, over
the long run spinnerbaits will catch as many fish as any lure, and they
often run larger. The original average selling prices of good spinnerbaits
are in line with the prices of other good lures, but when their long average
life span is figured in, good spinnerbaits are probably the lowest priced
lures on the market to own.

Spend over $7.00 for a good spinnerbait? Our non-kitted lures are about 8
bucks each (with fully interchangeable blades), and other excellent
spinnerbaits are also available in the same price range without that
feature. I don't know of better values than that.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

wrote in message
...
Six bucks for a pak of ten isn't all that pricey..they catch bass
period, more salt, better motion on the fall, and over 100 colors for
all occasions.. with a 40k price tag on a boat and truck, 2/3k on
other tackle, and gas at this time around $2.50 a gallon, for a 200 mile
round trip, I want to catch bass, so if I use 3/4 paks and catch some
quality bass on them its a small price....good bassin' to ya..

sket




go-bassn June 26th, 2004 07:21 PM

Senko's
 
Damn Rodney, save for the last paragraph that's a pretty darn accurate post.
As for inventing & testing ways to up our catch, we're all pretty much doing
that. A head-to-head on-the-same-boat test is far from scientific because
the two anglers can never possibly be considered "equal", nor could the
fish/fishing situation/lure action ect. All we can do is fish & see the
results, which almost inevitably will differ on our next try...

In the case of Gary's Senko, we do have a truly extraordinary bait w/o
question. It's a bait that works (far) more often than not regardless of
how it's presented, and even seems to shine the brightest with the simplest
& easiest of all presentations - the deadstick. Nobody seems to be able to
explain exactly why the Senko appeals so much to bass, but who cares? It's
probably the single best bait in the world to put in the hands of a novice
bass angler (my wife not withstanding) because of its live bait-like appeal.

As good as the Senko is, it's a mistake to become addicted to throwing it
(or any other bait), as there are times when the fish simply won't eat it.

I, for one, hope a true "miracle" bass lure never does get invented. I
doubt it ever will.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"Rodney" . wrote in message
...
Marty wrote:
"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
...

Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!



I have never fished the Senko, but I have been in the same boat with a
pro fishing it, he swears by them, but on that day, he could not buy a
fish on it, I had landed 6 before he changed baits. I think it just
might be over promoted, I'm sure it works fine when the fish are not
high pressured, and are active, or maybe it just was other unknown
reasons it did not work that day

That's the weird thing about bass,, and bass fishing, sometimes you
think they will only hit one lure, or hit one better than others, I
believe it's all in the mood of each fish, at any given time, that not
only the lure, but the exact presentation, at the exact time. Of course
you don't know what either is until you start catching fish

ANother thing is "is there actually a bass there?", I would bet that for
every 100 cast, on average, you might bring it by 5 to 10 bass, and that
is if your good at finding bass. You could easily drag the best lure,
for the conditions, through the water for an hour,, and never drag it by
a bass, then change over to another less productive lure, and then start
dragging it by bass and catching them. Fishing is like Pin the tail on
the Donkey,, but your blind folded, and no one points you even close to
the right direction, or there is no donkey to pin, but you don't know it.

So how do you know which lure is worth the money,, you don't,, not
really,, you just base your belief on the lures you have caught the most
fish on, yet there are hundreds of other variables, that could have
caused this, the biggest being,, you threw one lure more times than
others, thus making it more productive,, You believe in the lure, so you
use it more.

WE all know that at certain times, a bass will hit anything that moves,,
sometimes even things that don't move, but we spend hundreds or even
thousands of hours trying to figure out what works best,, no one has
ever done this, or they would win every tournament they interred.

SO what conclusions do we draw ?

It just can't be figured out :-)

Yet some fishermen catch more and bigger than "most" others on most
days. I think they do so more on their ability to "find" fish, than the
lure they are using.

When fish are found , the "presentation" of any lure, makes more of a
difference than the lure, and this is where I spend my time inventing,
and testing. Testing is the hardest part in this,, how do you do
control test in bass fishing,, you really can't,, there is no control
you have over the fish or the conditions , so the only way I can do any
test that really matters is head to head, in the same boat, fishing for
the same fish, at the same time with different "presentations". I will
be testing one,, but there are thousands of others, I need to test against

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com




go-bassn June 26th, 2004 07:27 PM

Senko's
 
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"G. M. Zimmermann" wrote in message
...
There's no question that senkos are a great lure and really catch fish. I
wouldn't mind the price nearly as much if they were more durable. It

seems
that every time I catch a fish on one, the fish fighting is enough to

shake
the Senko off the hook. I'll bet that 6 or 7 times out of ten, The senko

is
gone by the time I land the fish.
On the plus side, they work so well that I can pretty much count on

catching at
least one fish on each one. So to me, each pack of Senkos equals 12 to 15

fish
caught.
The one knock off of the senko that I have had good success is the

Wave
lures Tiki-Stik.

-Zimmy




Thundercat June 26th, 2004 08:00 PM

Senko's
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren


Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

alwaysfishking June 26th, 2004 08:36 PM

Senko's
 


And I was right there with you guys when it came to using senko's. Nothing
but the real thing, maybe a lot of it is confidence but a 50 pack of wacko's
will produce the same amount of fish as a 50 pack of senkos on my boat, and
I don't care who you are. Is there a time and place for originals? Yes,
Burger King, Pepsi, Breyers Ice Creame, You bet. But soft plastics at 60
cents a piece? Not in my lifetime, not when there are others that produce
just as good at half the cost. Maybe if I was more of a recreational angler
I would just stick with the senkos, But I can easily lose/use 70 of these a
week and at 60 cents each thats $42.00. This obsession of mine is not cheap
to begin with, never mind an additional 20-40 bucks a week for rubber worms.
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0






"Thundercat" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just

how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed

you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7

spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that

kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren


Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.




go-bassn June 26th, 2004 08:41 PM

Senko's
 
Randy buddy, you couldn't be more of a recreational angler! In fact, based
on your stories & photos, you might just be the ultimate recreational angler
:-)

I'm looking forward to doing some recreational angling alongside you soon
buddy.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...


And I was right there with you guys when it came to using senko's. Nothing
but the real thing, maybe a lot of it is confidence but a 50 pack of

wacko's
will produce the same amount of fish as a 50 pack of senkos on my boat,

and
I don't care who you are. Is there a time and place for originals? Yes,
Burger King, Pepsi, Breyers Ice Creame, You bet. But soft plastics at 60
cents a piece? Not in my lifetime, not when there are others that produce
just as good at half the cost. Maybe if I was more of a recreational

angler
I would just stick with the senkos, But I can easily lose/use 70 of these

a
week and at 60 cents each thats $42.00. This obsession of mine is not

cheap
to begin with, never mind an additional 20-40 bucks a week for rubber

worms.
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0






"Thundercat" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 14:27:38 -0400, "go-bassn"
wrote:

Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just

how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed

you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7

spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that

kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)

Warren


Randy and Dave laughed at me today because I still fish Gary's product
and haven't switched to the Wacko.

I'm sure there are a few reasons I haven't switched to one of the
knock-off sticks yet. Firstly, it's one of the few things in which I
have brand loyalty. Along with Shimano reels, St. Croix rods (and/or
blanks), Secret Weapon spinnerbaits and Lunker City Fin-S Fish. Simply
the best at what they are and what they do IMO.

Secondly, I have tried many of the knock-off sticks and simply I
haven't found any that do the job any better than the real Senko.

Lastly is confidence. I believe in them.

$5.98 for a pack of worms? Heck yeah. For every ten pack I can
reasonably expect to catch 3-4 fish (or more). Sounds like a bargain
to me!

Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.






Henry Hefner June 26th, 2004 09:20 PM

Senko's
 
go-bassn wrote:
Randy buddy, you couldn't be more of a recreational angler! In fact, based
on your stories & photos, you might just be the ultimate recreational angler
:-)


Wrong, Warren, to use drug terms, a recreational user might partake at a
party now and then, but an addict has to have it daily, and has
withdrawal symptoms if he doesn't get it. I've never met Randy, but from
his posts I can tell he's a full-fledged, chum snortin', wall-eyed, lure
painting, photo taking bass-head! :)

Bob Rickard June 26th, 2004 09:48 PM

Senko's
 
Amen to that!
--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))

"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:
Randy buddy, you couldn't be more of a recreational angler! In fact,

based
on your stories & photos, you might just be the ultimate recreational

angler
:-)


Wrong, Warren, to use drug terms, a recreational user might partake at a
party now and then, but an addict has to have it daily, and has
withdrawal symptoms if he doesn't get it. I've never met Randy, but from
his posts I can tell he's a full-fledged, chum snortin', wall-eyed, lure
painting, photo taking bass-head! :)




alwaysfishking June 26th, 2004 09:55 PM

Senko's
 
I have to agree with you Henry. It is only getting worse. I can't get enough
fishing in and this come from someone that gets out once or twice a day most
days. When I was just fishing from shore, I couldn't get enough. Now that I
am out on the puddle pusher, it's a daily thing. Like changing my socks or
going to work. It's something I have to do each day. To not do so would be a
waste.

A recreational angler IMO is someone who thinks it might be nice to sit by
the lake with a bobber and some worms every now and then. Much like yourself
Warren I would love to take my bass fishing to another level. One day I
might get that chance. I just want to make sure that if it ever comes along,
I'm ready for it. I live for competition. I could think of nothing better
than fishing against top anglers from around the world and watching that
line run to the left 15 minutes before weigh in right after I pulled my bait
off a lilly pad or stump or rock etc etc etc. :-) Most bass fisherman say
they live for the fight, I fish for the 1 second before I set the hook, not
knowing what just picked up my lure. There is nothing like that feeling in
the world. Hooking a double with Harry today, will be a memory I won't soon
forget.

I also look forward to doing some recreational fishing with you Warren. I've
only fished with you a few times but I have learned much more than you will
ever realize you gave up. I look forward to exploiting that once again..In
the kindest of ways of course ;-)


My name is Randy and I'm a Bassaholic.




"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...
go-bassn wrote:
Randy buddy, you couldn't be more of a recreational angler! In fact,

based
on your stories & photos, you might just be the ultimate recreational

angler
:-)


Wrong, Warren, to use drug terms, a recreational user might partake at a
party now and then, but an addict has to have it daily, and has
withdrawal symptoms if he doesn't get it. I've never met Randy, but from
his posts I can tell he's a full-fledged, chum snortin', wall-eyed, lure
painting, photo taking bass-head! :)




Henry Hefner June 26th, 2004 10:24 PM

Senko's
 
alwaysfishking wrote:

My name is Randy and I'm a Bassaholic.


Nice, Randy, you've taken a big step. Now tell us about how last winter
you were trying to decide which would be easier:

1. Move down south so you could fish 365 days a year.
2. Use large parabolic mirrors to keep the ice off your favorite lake.
3. Build a greenhouse over a pool in the backyard to keep a few fish in.

C'mon, you know you did!
Don't think I'm trying to get you to stop, this isn't illegal drugs,
this is the GOOD STUFF!

alwaysfishking June 26th, 2004 11:09 PM

Senko's
 
I tried fishing through the ice a few times but it just didn't work out. I
am not a penguin!!! If changing seasons were not a must for me, then I would
definetly move south. I would love to be able to fish the Big O down in
Florida every day. Now that my friends was a hell of a lake. I just can't
deal with the heat all year long. But I can't say I haven't thought about
the mega millions jackpot and buidling my own dome lake complete with
changing seasons at a push of the button. Now that would be cool. Got to get
some sleep registration for tomorrow tourney is at 3 a.m..and they call me
crazy for getting up early to fish??????????????????
"Henry Hefner" wrote in message
...
alwaysfishking wrote:

My name is Randy and I'm a Bassaholic.


Nice, Randy, you've taken a big step. Now tell us about how last winter
you were trying to decide which would be easier:

1. Move down south so you could fish 365 days a year.
2. Use large parabolic mirrors to keep the ice off your favorite lake.
3. Build a greenhouse over a pool in the backyard to keep a few fish in.

C'mon, you know you did!
Don't think I'm trying to get you to stop, this isn't illegal drugs,
this is the GOOD STUFF!




Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers June 26th, 2004 11:24 PM

Senko's
 

"alwaysfishking" wrote in message SNIP

it's a daily thing. Like changing my socks or
going to work. It's something I have to do each day. To not do so would be

a
waste.

SNIP

My name is Randy and I'm a Bassaholic.


I've been downwind of you, I think you bass fish more than you change your
socks! :)
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com



Thundercat June 27th, 2004 12:23 AM

Senko's
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:36:51 -0400, "alwaysfishking"
wrote:

snip
Just my two cents...ok more like 4 cents : -0


7 fish vs 6 fish...Nuff sed bucko!

Seriously though, Wacko's just never produced for me. It all boils
down to confidence.


Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

Thundercat June 27th, 2004 12:26 AM

Senko's
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:24:58 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
wrote:


"alwaysfishking" wrote in message SNIP

it's a daily thing. Like changing my socks or
going to work. It's something I have to do each day. To not do so would be

a
waste.

SNIP

My name is Randy and I'm a Bassaholic.


I've been downwind of you, I think you bass fish more than you change your
socks! :)


I don't care who you are, that's just plain funny!


Harry J aka Thundercat
Brooklyn Bill's Tackle Shop Fishing Team
http://www.geocities.com/brooklynbill2003/products.html
Share the knowledge, compete on execution.

doS June 27th, 2004 12:43 AM

Senko's
 
I use BPS stick-o's

"Jim L. Holweg" wrote in message
...
Are these baits the hot ticket for the price?
Is there another close bait for a work'n mans price!
Thanx!!





[email protected] June 27th, 2004 02:54 AM

Senko's
 
Yes there is! Bass Pro Shop Stickos work just as well ( and fall apart
just as fast ) & lately I've been using Big Bites brand & been catching
fish regularly . Both these brands are much cheaper than Senkos.


Marty June 27th, 2004 06:27 AM

Senko's
 

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just

how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed

you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7 spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)


Warren, interesting post, but it proves very little. Sure, I'd pay $60 for a
100-fish day, but that doesn't mean that a 100-fish day can't be had for
$30.

And yes, a $7 spinnerbait that hammers fish is a relative bargain, but that
doesn't mean that there isn't a $4 spinnerbait that hammers fish and is even
a greater bargain.

Gary might not be worried because he's a marketing genius, but that doesn't
mean there aren't knockoffs that are just as good.

Naturally, you and me and everyone has to use what we have confidence in.
Even though I use Yum Dingers at times, and think they're just as effective,
I still use Senkos when I'm serious, because I'd have that nagging little
thought about whether I could do better with the original. But not everyone
has my insecurities.

I caught my best bass today on a Senko. Of course I can't prove it, but I'm
confident that any number of baits in the same place at the same time would
have caught that fish.



alwaysfishking June 27th, 2004 07:36 AM

Senko's
 

Harry wrote"
7 fish vs 6 fish...Nuff sed bucko!


I gave you 1 :-)
..



go-bassn June 27th, 2004 05:13 PM

Senko's
 
You're so right Marty. I wasn't trying to prove anything, just stating my
opinion. Congrats on your big fish!

Warren

"Marty" wrote in message
...

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just

how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed

you
a century day?

What Mr Rickard is saying makes perfect sense (as usual). $7

spinnerbaits
that hammer fish are a relative bargain, as are 60-cent plastics that

kick
butt.

There are a bunch of guys making imitation Senko's, but do you think Mr
Yamamoto is worried?

I think not. As for me, I'll keep shelling out my $60/100 for the real
McCoy ;-)


Warren, interesting post, but it proves very little. Sure, I'd pay $60 for

a
100-fish day, but that doesn't mean that a 100-fish day can't be had for
$30.

And yes, a $7 spinnerbait that hammers fish is a relative bargain, but

that
doesn't mean that there isn't a $4 spinnerbait that hammers fish and is

even
a greater bargain.

Gary might not be worried because he's a marketing genius, but that

doesn't
mean there aren't knockoffs that are just as good.

Naturally, you and me and everyone has to use what we have confidence in.
Even though I use Yum Dingers at times, and think they're just as

effective,
I still use Senkos when I'm serious, because I'd have that nagging little
thought about whether I could do better with the original. But not

everyone
has my insecurities.

I caught my best bass today on a Senko. Of course I can't prove it, but

I'm
confident that any number of baits in the same place at the same time

would
have caught that fish.





Marty June 28th, 2004 06:04 AM

Senko's
 

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You're so right Marty. I wasn't trying to prove anything, just stating my
opinion. Congrats on your big fish!


Thank you Warren. It wasn't a big fish by most standards, but I've never had
a five-pounder and, in the height of cruelty, the fishing gods made my scale
stop when it hit 4-15. She was about 22" and about 1.5# light for the length
based on our length-weight charts, even though she appeared to be normally
proportioned.



G. M. Zimmermann June 28th, 2004 09:34 AM

Senko's
 
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing, just how
much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I guaranteed you
a century day?


Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that I have
the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of colors available.
But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to spend every time I go
fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many fish so a pack of senkos lasts
for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy

[email protected] June 28th, 2004 01:07 PM

Senko's
 
One way to make Senko's last longer is use fine wire hooks of a smaller
size. I typically use 1/0 and 2/0 hooks (Gamakatsu) and when I read
about other anglers, I'll hear 3/0 - 5/0 hook sizes being used.......

I had a day on a lake filled with dinks where I caught 30 small (6 - 9
inch bass) and 3 legal bass and I used less than 10 Senkos -- and all
were caught on Senkos.

Being gentle with your casts helps -- and as a final resort, turning
them around and t-rigging them through the thin end.


I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.


In G. M. Zimmermann wrote:
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing,
just how much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I
guaranteed you a century day?


Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that
I have the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of
colors available. But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to
spend every time I go fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many
fish so a pack of senkos lasts for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy


Rodney June 28th, 2004 01:58 PM

Senko's
 
wrote:

I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.



Soft plastic bait material can easily be welded, just heat both ends,,
even with a cig lighter, and push together, I have one of those high
dollar plastic welding machines (110V), but most of the time I just use
a lighter. This technique is even used by lure designers, it is quick
and easy, so no mold is needed in the preliminary testing, they just cut
up other baits, and weld them to make a new one.

The next step is a single cavity pour mold, then plastic is heated in a
microwave oven then hand poured into the mold, this gives you enough
lures exactly the same, that can be field tested, before spending 5 to
10 thousand on a production mold

For your information
A single soft plastic bait cost from 1 to 3 cents each to manufacture,
regardless of it's design, after you have paid for your mold, (this is
actual manufacturing cost),, if the company is paying another company to
shoot their lures (something that many name brand companies do) then
their cost can go as high as 5 cents each. These prices are for the bulk
lures,, without any other things like screen painting , or eyes added.

If a bag of lures is selling at the store for 6 dollars, the store paid
3.75 for them, if that bag went though the whole market chain (rep's,
wholesalers, salesmen, then the store, the manufacture will get about
2.00 dollars for that bag of 6 dollar baits, out of that, the federal
government takes 9% off the top, just for the (fishing/hunting tax),
then you have packaging cost, freight, office expenses that comes out,
GAry "might" make a half a dollar off of each 6 dollar package, but his
normal priced baits he might make a quarter per package

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com


Jerry Barton \(NervisRek\) June 28th, 2004 03:02 PM

Senko's
 
I have one of those welders and it's saved my butt more than once. When
you're down to the last Senko in the pack and they're hitting a particular
color, you try to save that torn piece of plastic as long as you can. I
don't smoke, so I don't carry a lighter.

wrote in message
...
One way to make Senko's last longer is use fine wire hooks of a smaller
size. I typically use 1/0 and 2/0 hooks (Gamakatsu) and when I read
about other anglers, I'll hear 3/0 - 5/0 hook sizes being used.......

I had a day on a lake filled with dinks where I caught 30 small (6 - 9
inch bass) and 3 legal bass and I used less than 10 Senkos -- and all
were caught on Senkos.

Being gentle with your casts helps -- and as a final resort, turning
them around and t-rigging them through the thin end.


I have read about -- dont have one yet -- a small battery powered
"welder" that will melt plastics together, too.


In G. M. Zimmermann wrote:
Something to think about Zimmy - as much as you like bass fishing,
just how much is a 100-fish-day worth to you? Would you pay $60 if I
guaranteed you a century day?


Don't get me wrong - I love senkos. Its probably the single lure that
I have the most confidence in. And I love the wide selection of
colors available. But the fact is, I just don't have an extra $60 to
spend every time I go fishing. Lucky for me I don't catch very many
fish so a pack of senkos lasts for a couple of outings.

-Zimmy




go-bassn June 29th, 2004 02:27 AM

Senko's
 
Probably a spawned-out female Marty, prety common this time of year. Still
something to be proud of buddy.

Warren

--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/
http://www.tri-statebassmasters.com



"Marty" wrote in message
...

"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You're so right Marty. I wasn't trying to prove anything, just stating

my
opinion. Congrats on your big fish!


Thank you Warren. It wasn't a big fish by most standards, but I've never

had
a five-pounder and, in the height of cruelty, the fishing gods made my

scale
stop when it hit 4-15. She was about 22" and about 1.5# light for the

length
based on our length-weight charts, even though she appeared to be normally
proportioned.





John Kerr June 29th, 2004 02:31 AM

Senko's
 
I was asking the kid this same question while I was out west, his
responese.."If it ain't broke, don't fix it!". He believes the Senko's
are worth every penny, and more...of course he depends on results for
his living! grin

Senko's

Group: rec.outdoors.fishing.bass Date: Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 11:47pm From:
(Jim=A0L.=A0Holweg)
Are these baits the hot ticket for the price? Is there another close
bait for a work'n mans price! Thanx!!



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