Leaders
 

Getting lazy(er)with old age (besides my eyes ain't what they use to be) I
quit tying up my own leaders, have gone to the prepackaged ones. In your
collective opinion which tapered leader is easiest to take the coil out
after having been on the reel for awhile? I know about the stretching part
to get the worst of the coils out, but is there one brand that stands out
from the pack?

Frank Sr.

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On 2010-08-02 17:17:01 -0400, Frank Church said:

Getting lazy(er)with old age (besides my eyes ain't what they use to be) I
quit tying up my own leaders, have gone to the prepackaged ones. In your
collective opinion which tapered leader is easiest to take the coil out
after having been on the reel for awhile? I know about the stretching part
to get the worst of the coils out, but is there one brand that stands out
from the pack?

Frank Sr.

Oh, no. A leader fight! d;o)

Over the years I have tried several brands, usually bummed from a
friend stream-side when I didn't have one, as a gifts, or when forced
to buy something I normally wouldn't buy. I normally use nothing but
Orvis leaders and swear by them. For normal every day fishing, say at
the Rapid, I use a 4 or 5x 7 1/2 ft mono and tie on about 18 inches of
5x fluoro. If the reel goes unused for several months, I have little
problem getting out the coils.
I have used but do not like Rio, Frog Hair, Maxima.

H, ymmv

Dave

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Frank Church wrote:
Getting lazy(er)with old age (besides my eyes ain't what they use to be) I
quit tying up my own leaders, have gone to the prepackaged ones. In your
collective opinion which tapered leader is easiest to take the coil out
after having been on the reel for awhile? I know about the stretching part
to get the worst of the coils out, but is there one brand that stands out
from the pack?

I buy Orvis Super Strong leaders in the 2 packs and build from
there. For trout I start building on the 7.5' 3X and for smallie
leaders I start with the 6' 0X.

I've never had a memory problem with Orvis Super Strong but I
have with Rio.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Aug 2, 5:25*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Frank Church wrote:
Getting lazy(er)with old age (besides my eyes ain't what they use to be) I
quit tying up my own leaders, have gone to the prepackaged ones. In your
collective opinion which tapered leader is easiest to take the coil out
after having been on the reel for awhile? I know about the stretching part
to get the worst of the coils out, but is there one brand that stands out
from the pack?

I buy Orvis Super Strong leaders in the 2 packs and build from
there. For trout I start building on the 7.5' 3X and for smallie
leaders I start with the 6' 0X.

I've never had a memory problem with Orvis Super Strong but I
have with Rio.

--
Ken Fortenberry

My favorite is Frogs Hair, but I hear they're going out of business.
Frank Reid

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Frank Reid © 2010 wrote in
:

Thanks for the input guys, I have used Orvis fly lines and like them a
whole lot, easy to get the coils out of them too...will give the Orvis
leaders a try.

Frank Sr.

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On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote :

Thanks for the input guys, I have used Orvis fly lines and like them a
whole lot, easy to get the coils out of them too...will give the Orvis
leaders a try.

Frank Sr.

At the risk of inflaming an old wound, I find that holding any leaders
(including the aforementioned Rio slinkys) in hot water (not boiling,
but almost) for about 10 seconds, then holding the ends apart until it
cools, results in it becoming straight and malleable. And to my
experience, with no loss of strength whatsoever.

YMMV, and if I know ROFF, it just might. :-)

--riverman

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riverman wrote in news:6247abc7-0810-433b-8da5-
:

On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-
4c20
:

But how handy would that be if aforementioned leader is already attached
to the fly line? Or is this dunking in hot water a permanent solution,
which doesn't seem likely to me given the propensities of said leaders to
coil in the first place...

Frank Sr
...who apologizes for any mis-spellings, my new reading glasses are due
this week.

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On Aug 3, 7:54*pm, Frank Church wrote:
riverman wrote in news:6247abc7-0810-433b-8da5-
:



On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-
4c20
:

But how handy would that be if aforementioned leader is already attached
to the fly line? Or is this dunking in hot water a permanent solution,
which doesn't seem likely to me given the propensities of said leaders to
coil in the first place...

Frank Sr
..who apologizes for any mis-spellings, my new reading glasses are due
this week.


Yeah, I do it mostly when its attached to the fly line, as my leaders
tend to get a coil memory from being spooled. Its not permanent, but
the straightening effect lasts for a long time, several hours or more,
depending on how cold the water is. Just hold it in hot water (coffee
works fine) for about 10 seconds, then gently stretch it as it cools
(like, for another 10 seconds or so). It comes out MUCH straighter
(and much more easily) than by pulling it between my fingers.

If you're concerned about hot it affects the leader, try it on some
old leader that you're going to throw away; you'll be very surprised
how well it works. And if there is any loss of strength or elasticity,
I've never noticed it.

---riverman

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On Aug 3, 9:05*am, riverman wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:54*pm, Frank Church wrote:





riverman wrote in news:6247abc7-0810-433b-8da5-
:

On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-
4c20
:

But how handy would that be if aforementioned leader is already attached
to the fly line? Or is this dunking in hot water a permanent solution,
which doesn't seem likely to me given the propensities of said leaders to
coil in the first place...

Frank Sr
..who apologizes for any mis-spellings, my new reading glasses are due
this week.

Yeah, I do it mostly when its attached to the fly line, as my leaders
tend to get a coil memory from being spooled. Its not permanent, but
the straightening effect lasts for a long time, several hours or more,
depending on how cold the water is. Just hold it in hot water (coffee
works fine) for about 10 seconds, then gently stretch it as it cools
(like, for another 10 seconds or so). It comes out MUCH straighter
(and much more easily) than by pulling it between my fingers.

If you're concerned about hot it affects the leader, try it on some
old leader that you're going to throw away; you'll be very surprised
how well it works. And if there is any loss of strength or elasticity,
I've never noticed it.

---riverman- Hide quoted text -

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I like the coffee option. French Roast Coil Reliever is standard here
on the Left Coast. Ive also heard Sanka works OK.

But my question is "what do you think of using, say, a nice cuppa
Guatemalan Antigua's JOE, with those unruly RIO coils? How about
Zihuatanejo Pea-berry Java Beans collected from ferret poop? Washed
and Full City Roast, right?

I find that Lattes made from Organic GM CafinusXCanibus cross, Cal/
Davis #23 beans, . . . make my leaders act silly, and a little hungry
if you know what I mean. Why?
;+))

Seriously, I never heard of this before, good Winter tactic.
Dave

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On 2010-08-03 07:30:48 -0400, riverman said:

On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-4c20
:

Thanks for the input guys, I have used Orvis fly lines and like them a
whole lot, easy to get the coils out of them too...will give the Orvis
leaders a try.

Frank Sr.

At the risk of inflaming an old wound, I find that holding any leaders
(including the aforementioned Rio slinkys) in hot water (not boiling,
but almost) for about 10 seconds, then holding the ends apart until it
cools, results in it becoming straight and malleable. And to my
experience, with no loss of strength whatsoever.

YMMV, and if I know ROFF, it just might. :-)

--riverman

I believe this was suggested by our infamous roffian George Gerhke many
years ago. I tried it once and it works, but I have no trouble
removing the coils from the Orvis superstrong leaders I normally use.

Dave

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On Aug 5, 7:21*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-03 07:30:48 -0400, riverman said:





On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-4c20
:

Thanks for the input guys, I have used Orvis fly lines and like them a
whole lot, easy to get the coils out of them too...will give the Orvis
leaders a try.

Frank Sr.

At the risk of inflaming an old wound, I find that holding any leaders
(including the aforementioned Rio slinkys) in hot water (not boiling,
but almost) for about 10 seconds, then holding the ends apart until it
cools, results in it becoming straight and malleable. And to my
experience, with no loss of strength whatsoever.

YMMV, and if I know ROFF, it just might. *:-)

--riverman

I believe this was suggested by our infamous roffian George Gerhke many
years ago. *I tried it once and it works, but I have no trouble
removing the coils from the Orvis superstrong leaders I normally use.

Dave

Actually, I believe it was suggested by Mike Connor, and was met with
derision and turned into a flame war.

I wish I could stretch leader in my hands like some of you guys can,
but I just end up with rope burns, wavy leader and a kink where I
pinched the narrow end to hold it tightly. The hot water method is
effortless, but of course it involves a hot beverage or hot water on
hand. But it has the same visual effect as running a hot iron over a
wrinkled shirt....it's like magic :-)

Or so I've heard (about irons, that is)
:-)

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On Aug 5, 8:09*am, riverman wrote:
On Aug 5, 7:21*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:



On 2010-08-03 07:30:48 -0400, riverman said:

On Aug 3, 6:58*pm, Frank Church wrote:
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote innews:cb4d3598-79a7-4c20
:

Thanks for the input guys, I have used Orvis fly lines and like them a
whole lot, easy to get the coils out of them too...will give the Orvis
leaders a try.

Frank Sr.

At the risk of inflaming an old wound, I find that holding any leaders
(including the aforementioned Rio slinkys) in hot water (not boiling,
but almost) for about 10 seconds, then holding the ends apart until it
cools, results in it becoming straight and malleable. And to my
experience, with no loss of strength whatsoever.

YMMV, and if I know ROFF, it just might. *:-)

--riverman

I believe this was suggested by our infamous roffian George Gerhke many
years ago. *I tried it once and it works, but I have no trouble
removing the coils from the Orvis superstrong leaders I normally use.

Dave

Actually, I believe it was suggested by Mike Connor, and was met with
derision and turned into a flame war.

I wish I could stretch leader in my hands like some of you guys can,
but I just end up with rope burns, wavy leader and a kink where I
pinched the narrow end to hold it tightly. The hot water method is
effortless, but of course it involves a hot beverage or hot water on
hand. But it has the same visual effect as running a hot iron over a
wrinkled shirt....it's like magic *:-)

Or so I've heard (about irons, that is)
:-)

Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it through
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

Works for me........as does wrapping it once around a cork handle and
pulling it out.

What's the big deal...........?

cheers

oz, who also wades wet in old tennis shoes.....but is somewhat of a
barbarian

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MajorOz wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it through
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

The inner tube oftentimes produces too much heat which weakens
the leader. Lose four or five good fish to a weak spot in your
leader and you'll throw away the inner tube for good.

Works for me........as does wrapping it once around a cork handle and
pulling it out.

What's the big deal...........?

cheers

oz, who also wades wet in old tennis shoes.....but is somewhat of a
barbarian

I don't hear anyone saying it's a big deal, all I hear is a
question about leaders.

I traveled many, many miles in the Boundary Waters and Quetico
wearing high top Converse All Stars as wading/hiking/ all day
shoes. Sliding a bare foot into a wet pair of tennis shoes on
a crisp cool morning was always the worst part of the day. And
damn near painful. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Aug 5, 11:54*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it through
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

The inner tube oftentimes produces too much heat which weakens
the leader. Lose four or five good fish to a weak spot in your
leader and you'll throw away the inner tube for good.

Thank you.

I wasn't aware of that problem.

cheers, and some Coal Ila

oz

Leaders
 

MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it through
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

The inner tube oftentimes produces too much heat which weakens
the leader. Lose four or five good fish to a weak spot in your
leader and you'll throw away the inner tube for good.

Thank you.

I wasn't aware of that problem.

My theory on leaders is; if you can't straighten it with your
fingers, try another brand of leader until you find one you can.

cheers, and some Coal Ila

I'm sipping on a Laphroaig as we "speak".

Slainte !

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Aug 6, 7:22*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it through
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

The inner tube oftentimes produces too much heat which weakens
the leader. Lose four or five good fish to a weak spot in your
leader and you'll throw away the inner tube for good.

Thank you.

I wasn't aware of that problem.

My theory on leaders is; if you can't straighten it with your
fingers, try another brand of leader until you find one you can.

cheers, and some Coal Ila

I'm sipping on a Laphroaig as we "speak".

Slainte !

--
Ken Fortenberry

Good theory. I figure there's always more than one way to straighten
out a leader (cue Beancounter here).

Actually, there IS one use for boiling that I found very good. I have
a little 6-inch section of heavy nylon line between my fly line and my
tippet, with a perfection loop so I can change leaders easily without
having to tie on a new nail knot. Sometimes, when my leader is getting
close to 9 foot long, that little nylon section sits right at the
tiptop when I pack my rod for travel, so over time it gets a bad kink
in it. Its too short and too strong to stretch out by hand, but
dipping it in boiling water and pulling on it straightens it out
perfectly.

--riverman

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riverman wrote in
:

On Aug 6, 7:22*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea of spitting on it and pulling it
throug
h
a piece of inner tube dangling with the clippers, hemostats, etc?

The inner tube oftentimes produces too much heat which weakens
the leader. Lose four or five good fish to a weak spot in your
leader and you'll throw away the inner tube for good.

Thank you.

I wasn't aware of that problem.

My theory on leaders is; if you can't straighten it with your
fingers, try another brand of leader until you find one you can.

cheers, and some Coal Ila

I'm sipping on a Laphroaig as we "speak".

Slainte !

--
Ken Fortenberry

Good theory. I figure there's always more than one way to straighten
out a leader (cue Beancounter here).

Actually, there IS one use for boiling that I found very good. I have
a little 6-inch section of heavy nylon line between my fly line and my
tippet, with a perfection loop so I can change leaders easily without
having to tie on a new nail knot. Sometimes, when my leader is getting
close to 9 foot long, that little nylon section sits right at the
tiptop when I pack my rod for travel, so over time it gets a bad kink
in it. Its too short and too strong to stretch out by hand, but
dipping it in boiling water and pulling on it straightens it out
perfectly.

--riverman


Whoda thunkit? Thanks river guy, I will use that tip.

Kinked in Fremont