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Hi All,

I got to spend a whole hour and ten minutes on
the river last Thursday. Had something unusual
happen to me that I would love the groups advice on.

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

One trout I got so frustrated with, to set the hook,
I dragged him about four feet across the top
of a rapid. And he still got away! I could almost
hear him yelling "Yippee! Again! Again!" (I may be
putting human emotions on him.)

I had the feeling I was playing tug-o-war with them
and had not actually hooked any of them.

They seemed to like all types of flies I tossed at them.
They would get use to one and I would put on a different
type. They were all in the size 12 to 14 range.

What would the group suggest? Smaller flies? Larger
flies? Flies with round hooks? Shake my fish at
them and try not to grin too much?

Many thanks,
-T

p.s. I got to meet one 7" rainbow. He nearly swallowed
my #14 Adams. I think he was native as he was about two
inches smaller than what they plant and he was not so
danged ugly.

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On 2010-08-09 01:29:15 -0400, Todd said:
.

What would the group suggest?

Golf. Maybe tennis. Mountain climbing in Germany is popular.

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On Aug 9, 12:29*am, Todd wrote:
Hi All,

I got to spend a whole hour and ten minutes on
the river last Thursday. *Had something unusual
happen to me that I would love the groups advice on.

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. *It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. *Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

One trout I got so frustrated with, to set the hook,
I dragged him about four feet across the top
of a rapid. *And he still got away! *I could almost
hear him yelling "Yippee! Again! Again!" *(I may be
putting human emotions on him.)

I had the feeling I was playing tug-o-war with them
and had not actually hooked any of them.

They seemed to like all types of flies I tossed at them.
They would get use to one and I would put on a different
type. *They were all in the size 12 to 14 range.

What would the group suggest? *Smaller flies? *Larger
flies? *Flies with round hooks? *Shake my fish at
them and try not to grin too much?

Many thanks,
-T

p.s. I got to meet one 7" rainbow. *He nearly swallowed
my #14 Adams. *I think he was native as he was about two
inches smaller than what they plant and he was not so
danged ugly.

Pretty much had the exact same problem last week in Wisconsin (see
Driftless area TR). I went from a 3wt to a 4wt with a lot more
stiffness and solved the problem.
Frank Reid

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"Todd" wrote in message
...

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

When trout are non-hooked on dries, it might be worth
trying an English-style delayed strike i.e. a pause before
setting the hook. The theory is that, after waiting until
the fish turns his head downwards, the hook point pulls
into the corner of the jaw, where it catches better
than up at the bony front tip of the mouth.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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On Aug 8, 11:29*pm, Todd wrote:
Hi All,

I got to spend a whole hour and ten minutes on
the river last Thursday. *Had something unusual
happen to me that I would love the groups advice on.

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. *It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. *Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

One trout I got so frustrated with, to set the hook,
I dragged him about four feet across the top
of a rapid. *And he still got away! *I could almost
hear him yelling "Yippee! Again! Again!" *(I may be
putting human emotions on him.)

I had the feeling I was playing tug-o-war with them
and had not actually hooked any of them.

They seemed to like all types of flies I tossed at them.
They would get use to one and I would put on a different
type. *They were all in the size 12 to 14 range.

What would the group suggest? *Smaller flies? *Larger
flies? *Flies with round hooks? *Shake my fish at
them and try not to grin too much?

Many thanks,
-T

p.s. I got to meet one 7" rainbow. *He nearly swallowed
my #14 Adams. *I think he was native as he was about two
inches smaller than what they plant and he was not so
danged ugly.

Don't think about catching them
They can read your thoughts and they are laughing at you
Think about drifting down a lazy river w them

Fred

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On 08/09/2010 03:00 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 01:29:15 -0400, Todd said:
.

What would the group suggest?

Golf. Maybe tennis. Mountain climbing in Germany is popular.

"Golf" is what happens to fisherman when they lead
unrighteous lives and then, well, die.

-T

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On 2010-08-09 11:30:00 -0400, flebow said:


Don't think about catching them
They can read your thoughts and they are laughing at you
Think about drifting down a lazy river w them

.......while practicing your Karman gait.

d;o)

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On 2010-08-09 12:15:31 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 03:00 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 01:29:15 -0400, Todd said:
.

What would the group suggest?

Golf. Maybe tennis. Mountain climbing in Germany is popular.

"Golf" is what happens to fisherman when they lead
unrighteous lives and then, well, die.

-T

Rather judgemental, eh? I didn't realize my next door neighbor and his
wife, both good Christians, were former fishermen. Who knew?

Well, then tennis it is. Or, stamp collecting. Have you ever thought
of stamp collecting? Wonderful hobby, or so I'm told. Or electric
train collecting?You obviously suck at fly fishing, so anything else
would, I'm sure, be welcomed by you.

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On 08/09/2010 09:28 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 12:15:31 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 03:00 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 01:29:15 -0400, Todd said:
.

What would the group suggest?

Golf. Maybe tennis. Mountain climbing in Germany is popular.

"Golf" is what happens to fisherman when they lead
unrighteous lives and then, well, die.

-T

Rather judgemental, eh? I didn't realize my next door neighbor and his
wife, both good Christians, were former fishermen. Who knew?

Dude. It was a joke.

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On 08/09/2010 07:10 AM, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Aug 9, 12:29 am, wrote:
Hi All,

I got to spend a whole hour and ten minutes on
the river last Thursday. Had something unusual
happen to me that I would love the groups advice on.

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

One trout I got so frustrated with, to set the hook,
I dragged him about four feet across the top
of a rapid. And he still got away! I could almost
hear him yelling "Yippee! Again! Again!" (I may be
putting human emotions on him.)

I had the feeling I was playing tug-o-war with them
and had not actually hooked any of them.

They seemed to like all types of flies I tossed at them.
They would get use to one and I would put on a different
type. They were all in the size 12 to 14 range.

What would the group suggest? Smaller flies? Larger
flies? Flies with round hooks? Shake my fish at
them and try not to grin too much?

Many thanks,
-T

p.s. I got to meet one 7" rainbow. He nearly swallowed
my #14 Adams. I think he was native as he was about two
inches smaller than what they plant and he was not so
danged ugly.

Pretty much had the exact same problem last week in Wisconsin (see
Driftless area TR). I went from a 3wt to a 4wt with a lot more
stiffness and solved the problem.
Frank Reid

Some of the other fisherman I have spoken to have told me
they are keeping the planted Rainbow and releasing the
wild Browns.

I am thinking that these fish have been caught so many times
before, some of them by me (I haven't named them yet),
that they have learned to avoid the pointy part of the
free food. Maybe they have learned how to strip bait off
a hook and a fly doesn't strip off the hook so easily,
resulting in a tug-o-war. There are a lot of bait fisherman
on this stream. And these are the same size fish I have
caught in prior weeks.

Thank you for the tip! Made me reread your post. Great
report by the way. The current is not a swift since the water
has gotten low and there is not as much resistance on the
line. Maybe if I tightened up a bit more on the line
control, it would simulate a heavier rod and/or a heavier
current. A lot to ponder. I love this sport!

-T
ponder.

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Don Phillipson wrote:
When trout are non-hooked on dries, it might be worth
trying an English-style delayed strike i.e. a pause before
setting the hook. The theory is that, after waiting until
the fish turns his head downwards, the hook point pulls
into the corner of the jaw, where it catches better
than up at the bony front tip of the mouth.

The English style is to mutter "God save the Queen" before
setting the hook. Here in the colonies I use the American
style which is very similar except I change the word "save"
to a common expression meaning fornication.

This is similar to a tradition among marathon runners. The
original marathon, the distance from Marathon, Greece to
Athens, is 24.85 miles. At the 1908 Olympics in London they
added 2.2 miles so the ****in' brit royalty could watch the
finish from their viewing box. To this day English style
runners yell "God save the Queen" at mile marker 24. American
runners yell that other thing I was talking about. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 08/09/2010 08:26 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
wrote in message
...

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

When trout are non-hooked on dries, it might be worth
trying an English-style delayed strike i.e. a pause before
setting the hook. The theory is that, after waiting until
the fish turns his head downwards, the hook point pulls
into the corner of the jaw, where it catches better
than up at the bony front tip of the mouth.


I was definitely not doing that. I was just letting them
have it the second they struck. This resulted in dragging
them a few feet before they took off for parts unknown.

My thought was that I only have a fraction of a second
before the trout tastes the thing and determines it to
be debris. This has always done me well in the past, but
since I can't seem to hook them now, I will definitely
give this a try.

Thank you!

-T

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On Aug 8, 10:29*pm, Todd wrote:
Hi All,

I got to spend a whole hour and ten minutes on
the river last Thursday. *Had something unusual
happen to me that I would love the groups advice on.

These trout must have been caught several times before.
About every third drift, I would tangle with one. *It
seemed like I would play with them for about two feet
and then they got loose. *Over and over again too!
I checked my hook points constantly and they were
not broken off and were plenty sharp.

One trout I got so frustrated with, to set the hook,
I dragged him about four feet across the top
of a rapid. *And he still got away! *I could almost
hear him yelling "Yippee! Again! Again!" *(I may be
putting human emotions on him.)

I had the feeling I was playing tug-o-war with them
and had not actually hooked any of them.

They seemed to like all types of flies I tossed at them.
They would get use to one and I would put on a different
type. *They were all in the size 12 to 14 range.

What would the group suggest? *Smaller flies? *Larger
flies? *Flies with round hooks? *Shake my fish at
them and try not to grin too much?

Many thanks,
-T

p.s. I got to meet one 7" rainbow. *He nearly swallowed
my #14 Adams. *I think he was native as he was about two
inches smaller than what they plant and he was not so
danged ugly.

With barbless hooks I think a large portion of small trout get the
hook inside their mouths, but the hook point is tipped enuf so it
doesn't stick tissue. Just be happy you fooled em, and don't have to
touch (and hurt) fish that will grow into tommorrow's sport.

As to the "waiting" to strike advise, generally good but less
appropriate on surface and more so for salmon/steelhead. IMHO

Dave

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On 08/09/2010 09:20 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 11:30:00 -0400, flebow said:


Don't think about catching them
They can read your thoughts and they are laughing at you
Think about drifting down a lazy river w them

......while practicing your Karman gait.

I do not know about reading my mind. They would be very
confused as to the concept that they were edible. And
as for laughing, perhaps. More likely they are probably
"mocking" me.

Actually, if you have seen underwater video of trout
Kármán gaiting, it looks pretty restful and peaceful.
They may actually be enjoying themselves. A twitch of
their pectoral fin and their food drifts right in their
mouth. Another twitch and back into his feeding lie.
No chasing involved. Kind of a trout's version of a
lazy boy chair.

:-)

-T

For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

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On 08/09/2010 11:53 AM, DaveS wrote:

With barbless hooks I think a large portion of small trout get the
hook inside their mouths, but the hook point is tipped enuf so it
doesn't stick tissue. Just be happy you fooled em, and don't have to
touch (and hurt) fish that will grow into tommorrow's sport.

As to the "waiting" to strike advise, generally good but less
appropriate on surface and more so for salmon/steelhead. IMHO

Dave

Thank you!

The fish here are generally in the 9 to 11" range. I switched
back to a barbed hook abut a month ago because my barbless
hooks were going clean through their lips and its was a mess
trying to remove them without further injuring the fish.
The barbed hooks came out very easily.

It was only last Thursday that I have had any trouble hooking
them.

And yes, I was happy. I had a total blast. Almost could not
force myself to come home.

-T

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On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling

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On 08/09/2010 01:43 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling



Hi Dave,

Is there some part of the The Journal of Experimental
Biology's paper that you disagree with? I would love
hear your criticism of it. The more about trout behavior
I learn, the better a fisherman I become.

Or, perhaps, you were just giving me a bad time. :-)

-T

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On 2010-08-09 17:34:52 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 01:43 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling



Hi Dave,

Is there some part of the The Journal of Experimental
Biology's paper that you disagree with? I would love
hear your criticism of it. The more about trout behavior
I learn, the better a fisherman I become.

Or, perhaps, you were just giving me a bad time. :-)

-T

This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your
isp. No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE
you hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their
given names here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But
you are a riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a
compliment.

If you truly fish the way you say you do, you shoud consider taking up
another sport/hobby. Golf/tennis come to mind.

Dave

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On 08/09/2010 03:25 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

Sharing the references to what has made me a better fisherman
with others is me being a generous, nice guy. So far
as I remember, I have only posted the Journal's link twice.
That is not "ad nauseum". This is sharing what I know with
others who do not know me and are kind enough to share with me
anyway -- up to and including their fish recipes.

By the way, I do not see you sharing your tips with me
but I do freely share mine with you.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your isp.
No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE you
hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their given names
here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But you are a
riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a compliment.

Dave,

I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;
a few of you scare me. And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that. This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.
Neither can counter the element of surprise. So, my
identity stays hidden. Yours should have too.

It is a blessing that others on this group fish with you.
If they identify themselves to you, it should be out-of-band,
so they do not put themselves at risk either.

riddle wrapped in an inigma
suspicious people

Oh brother.

HTH,
--T-o-d-d

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Todd wrote:
I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;
a few of you scare me. And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that. This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.
Neither can counter the element of surprise. So, my
identity stays hidden. Yours should have too.

Your identity isn't as hidden as you'd like to think and
like it or not anonymity is not the default in this little
corner of cyberspace. Those who choose to remain anonymous
will have a hard time trying to find friends or fishing
partners here on roff. You cannot generalize from what you
think you know about Usenet forums and apply it to roff.

We're ... changed. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On 2010-08-09 19:03:36 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 03:25 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

Sharing the references to what has made me a better fisherman
with others is me being a generous, nice guy.

Knowing about Karmen gaiting obviously hasn't made you a better fisherman.

So far
as I remember, I have only posted the Journal's link twice.
That is not "ad nauseum". This is sharing what I know with
others who do not know me and are kind enough to share with me
anyway -- up to and including their fish recipes.

By the way, I do not see you sharing your tips with me
but I do freely share mine with you.

So far your "tips" have been laughable.

I know all about Karmen gaiting. It has not made me a successful
fisherman. Studying the river, having a proper presentation regardless
the lure, knowing what the fish are targeting, knowing how to mend
properly, etc. has made me a successful fly fisherman, and it ain't got
nothing to do with Karmen gaiting. Intuition also plays a big part. I
sometimes see a fly and KNOW it will work on such-in-such river, and I
am 99% correct.

Tips? Read my trip reports. All of them, dating back at least 12
years or so, including fishing for big brook trout in Labrador, big
rainbows in Alaska and Russia, big Pacific salmon in Alaska, big German
browns in Chile, big stealhead and chinnuck with Peter Charles in
Canuckistan, cutts "out west", and enormous sea-run browns in Tiera del
Fuego, as well as itty-bitty brookies taken in Georgia and NC.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your isp.
No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE you
hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their given names
here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But you are a
riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a compliment.

Dave,

I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;

Host? Who the hell is talking about hosting? Not me.

a few of you scare me.

They should. This place IS a nuthouse, you know. d;o) As an old
adversary is wont to say, "Boooo!"

And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

I'd move if I was you. I found out that 95% of auto accidents happen
within a few miles of your home. Scared the hell out of me. I moved.


And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

Ah, so the mystery is solved; you are an 11 year old girl. You should
NOT be posting to a forum where dirty old men frequent.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that.

You ever see me drive? I take risks all the time. You ever race with
the Boy Lawyer on dirt roads in Pennsylvania? Risky ****, that. I
live in Massachusetts. You ever drive in Massachusetts? You risk your
life every time you start your engine, never mind leaving the garage!

This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

Yeah, and on roff too, believe me. I have family members who travel to
meetings with people they have met on the internet. We have claves
where fellow roffians travel to fish with each other. Nothing to hide
nor fear. I've given my credit card information to a couple of
roffians.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.

My dog's name in Jenny. She'd love you to death. Really!

Neither can counter the element of surprise.

Well, hell. If you could counter it, it wouldn't be a surprise would
it? Gosh, golly.....

So, my
identity stays hidden.

So you can hide from something. You don't like boys and hang around
train stations do you?

Yours should have too.

Nah. If anyone causes me harm I will hire someone to kick the **** out
of them. d;o) I'm too old to personally do it. But in my day, sonny,
let me tell you........


It is a blessing that others on this group fish with you.
If they identify themselves to you, it should be out-of-band,
so they do not put themselves at risk either.

Out of band. Is that a European saying? Never heard it here in the States.

They don't identify themselves to me, they identify themselves thru
roff. There is nothing to hide or fear...... well, there are a few you
could fear, but honestly, they are harmless. Big bunch of sissies.

riddle wrapped in an inigma
suspicious people

Oh brother.

HTH,
--T-o-d-d

Nope. Ain't your brother. My last name is LaCourse.

No one, NO ONE, could be as stupid a fisherman as you let on to be. If
you really are sincere about what you have written on this forum about
fishing, I warmly suggest you go to some sort of fly fishing school or
join a fly fishing club, or maybe hang around a fly shop and get to be
friends with the owner and others. There's always stamp collecting or
staying anonymous OFF the internet.

Dave LaCourse (who would give a dozen of Harry Mason's Killer Caddis
to know your true identity)

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On 08/09/2010 05:22 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:

Knowing about Karmen gaiting obviously hasn't made you a better fisherman.

I have caught more fish in the last two years than I
have ever caught in my life. Knowing what the Karmen gait
is help me fish in places where I never would have thought to
fish before. I also helped me read the water a lot better.
I am having the time of my life! Your mileage may vary.

My opinion: you can never know enough about trout
behavior. You are entitled to have a different opinion.


Tips? Read my trip reports.

I was talking about your responses to my posts. You never
share. You are only quarrelsome.

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

Ah, so the mystery is solved; you are an 11 year old girl. You should
NOT be posting to a forum where dirty old men frequent.

Anyone can read this group, including dirty old men, psychopaths,
religious bigots, violent left wing fringers, more psychopaths,
people who talk in theaters, golfers, etc., etc., etc..

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.

My dog's name in Jenny. She'd love you to death. Really!

She, I would like to meet. Love nice dogs.


Out of band. Is that a European saying? Never heard it here in the States.

This is a common computer security term in the States. It puzzles
me that you have not heard of it. Try Googling the term.

No one, NO ONE, could be as stupid a fisherman as you let on to be. If
you really are sincere about what you have written on this forum about
fishing ...

It only matters if I am having fun at it, not whether or not I am
any good at it.

I apologize if anything I have said goes over your head. If you
don't understand me, just ask. I love to talk about fishing.
If you disagree with me, state why. We may have an interesting
conversation that may benefit others. I may even learn a few new
things, which is one of my goals. You might learn a few things
yourself. That and to have fishing conversations, share my
experiences and tips, get tips from, with friends.

Dave LaCourse (who would give a dozen of Harry Mason's Killer Caddis to
know your true identity)

Hmmm. Well maybe... nah. Maybe two dozen? :-)

-T

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Read Fortenberry's post. Read it again. Print it out and put it on
your refrigerator.

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On 08/09/2010 07:26 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
Read Fortenberry's post. Read it again. Print it out and put it on
your refrigerator.

No one is forcing you to read my posts. Just ignore me.

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On Aug 9, 8:36*pm, Todd wrote:
On 08/09/2010 07:26 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:

Read Fortenberry's post. *Read it again. *Print it out and put it on
your refrigerator.

No one is forcing you to read my posts. *Just ignore me.

Well its nice to see you boys behaving on ROFF as per the norm
Recreating - Off fishing - later

Carlos Castaneda

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

The English style is to mutter "God save the Queen" before
setting the hook. Here in the colonies I use the American
style which is very similar except I change the word "save"
to a common expression meaning fornication.

Sour grapes.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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Don Phillipson wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The English style is to mutter "God save the Queen" before
setting the hook. Here in the colonies I use the American
style which is very similar except I change the word "save"
to a common expression meaning fornication.

Sour grapes.

Sour grapes ? Over a queen ? Not so much. Hell, we have plenty
of queens here in the States, the gay bars are full of them.
And the taxpayers don't have to pay for their castles. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry