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Frank Reid © 2010 August 22nd, 2010 06:33 PM

Kreh Factor
 
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid

Tom Littleton[_2_] August 22nd, 2010 06:36 PM

Kreh Factor
 

"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in message
...
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.
Tom



Frank Reid © 2010 August 22nd, 2010 06:44 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 12:36*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in ...

What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


Lefty was pretty cool. I've met quite a few at differing events, and
I must say that some are down right assholes. If you don't have bucks
to support them in their next endeavor, go away. Others, like Kelly
Galloup, really want to show you the latest thing they've learned and
are willing to listen to what you've come up with.
Frank Reid

Ken Fortenberry August 22nd, 2010 07:15 PM

Kreh Factor
 
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.

As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.

--
Ken Fortenberry

MajorOz August 22nd, 2010 07:59 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 1:15*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid *wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.

As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Never got near Lefty.

Had a beer or two with the Trout Bum back in the early days, on the
back porch of a bar in Lake George. Haven't seen him since.

He was an "aw, shucks" guy then, willing to talk to anyone, anytime.

Have no idea what he is like now or if he knows (probably does) Lefty.

cheers

oz

--riverman August 23rd, 2010 01:54 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 23, 2:59*am, MajorOz wrote:
On Aug 22, 1:15*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:





Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid *wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.


As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.


--
Ken Fortenberry


Never got near Lefty.

Had a beer or two with the Trout Bum back in the early days, on the
back porch of a bar in Lake George. *Haven't seen him since.

He was an "aw, shucks" guy then, willing to talk to anyone, anytime.

Have no idea what he is like now or if he knows (probably does) Lefty.

cheers

oz


I'm 2 and 2, whoop-de-do. Fished with Ted Williams (the headless Red
Sox pitcher, who was a great friend of Lefty's) and I've tyed with
you.

--riverman

Giles August 23rd, 2010 02:42 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 12:36*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in ...

What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


Perhaps there are some you haven't met yet? Or some whose depths you
have not yet plumbed?

giles
for whom human beings have, thus far, been a huge disappointement but,
who, nevertheless, holds out hope that there are more in this world
than the handfull of thousands with whom he has thus far had close
contact.

Giles August 23rd, 2010 02:44 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 1:15*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.


Yeah, big whoop.

But......

It needed to be said, ainna? :)

g.
BOO!

MajorOz August 23rd, 2010 04:55 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 8:42*pm, Giles wrote:
On Aug 22, 12:36*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in ...


What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


Perhaps there are some you haven't met yet? *Or some whose depths you
have not yet plumbed?

giles
for whom human beings have, thus far, been a huge disappointement but,
who, nevertheless, holds out hope that there are more in this world
than the handfull of thousands with whom he has thus far had close
contact.


I am a firm believer in the "six-degrees-of-separation" theory.

If given access to ALL the relevant data, I am certain I can find six
or fewer nodes between me and anyone else on earth.

Qualification: Meeting or touching -- handshake in a receiving line
or face-to-face acknowledgement -- is the minimum requirement. It's
not as if each node connection has to be best buddies.

cheers

oz

george9219 August 23rd, 2010 05:03 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 8:54*pm, --riverman wrote:
On Aug 23, 2:59*am, MajorOz wrote:



On Aug 22, 1:15*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid *wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.


As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.


--
Ken Fortenberry


Never got near Lefty.


Had a beer or two with the Trout Bum back in the early days, on the
back porch of a bar in Lake George. *Haven't seen him since.


He was an "aw, shucks" guy then, willing to talk to anyone, anytime.


Have no idea what he is like now or if he knows (probably does) Lefty.


cheers


oz


I'm 2 and 2, whoop-de-do. Fished with Ted Williams (the headless Red
Sox pitcher, who was a great friend of Lefty's) and I've tyed with
you.

--riverman


Ummm.....Ted Williams was a left fielder. Your penalty is the
deduction of the first 2 points of your Kreh Factor. I can't really
figure what mine is. I know several people who have met Lefty, but I
never did. Not surprisingly, I never tried to figure the number, and
don't really care.

--riverman August 23rd, 2010 12:07 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 23, 12:03*pm, george9219 wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:54*pm, --riverman wrote:





On Aug 23, 2:59*am, MajorOz wrote:


On Aug 22, 1:15*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid *wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.


As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.


--
Ken Fortenberry


Never got near Lefty.


Had a beer or two with the Trout Bum back in the early days, on the
back porch of a bar in Lake George. *Haven't seen him since.


He was an "aw, shucks" guy then, willing to talk to anyone, anytime.


Have no idea what he is like now or if he knows (probably does) Lefty..


cheers


oz


I'm 2 and 2, whoop-de-do. Fished with Ted Williams (the headless Red
Sox pitcher, who was a great friend of Lefty's) and I've tyed with
you.


--riverman


Ummm.....Ted Williams was a left fielder. Your penalty is the
deduction of the first 2 points of your Kreh Factor. *I can't really
figure what mine is. I know several people who have met Lefty, but I
never did. *Not surprisingly, I never tried to figure the number, and
don't really care.


OK, you got me. He did pitch two innings in 1940 against Detroit
(according to Wikipedia), but he was long-since retired before I met
him, and I actually didn't even know he was such a legendary baseball
player at the time...I thought he was some mainline player who
happened to be a great outdoorsman. But yeah, I had that entirely
wrong....must have been thinking of Babe Ruth.

--riverman

[email protected] August 23rd, 2010 03:35 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid © 2010
wrote:

What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I'm not sure. I know this guy, Dan, whose wife's cousin, coincidentally, also
Dan, knows a guy, John, who is an acquaintance of this guy - by a strange twist
of fate is called Bernard (is that spooky or what?) - who works at a used book
store, so I called the guy I know and got him to ask his wife her cousin's phone
number, so I called him and got the acquaintance's number, from whom I got the
book store guy's number. I called Bernard and asked him if he had now, or had
ever had, any of the Lefty's books. I admit, my hopes were a little dashed when
he said, "Who?," but I realize he probably doesn't care much about Kreh Factors.
And I gotta admit, I sorta understand that position.

So I explained the situation. I didn't feel any better when his first
post-explanation question of me was to ask who these two "Dan" characters were
again. So I explained further. He seemed like a decent guy, willing to help
out his fellow man, so he offered to check his records. HOT DAMN!, I thought,
we're getting close now, boy. And sure enough, it appears that in 2008, they
did have a copy of "Presenting the Fly." Since he was being so helpful, I asked
if he remembered if it was he who took the copy in or possibly shelved it. He
said that as a matter of fact, the record indicated that he did, in fact, buy
that lot of books. BINGO! SUCCESS IS MINE! I HAVE A KREH FACTOR!! And you
know, it's strange. I didn't think I'd care much...well, as long as I'm
admitting stuff, I guess I didn't care much...but anyhoo, I will say that I did
feel a little twinge of satisfaction - you know, like that special feeling one
gets when they successfully pour themselves a cup of coffee without injury or
something.

So to recap, I know a guy whose wife's cousin knows a guy who knows a guy who
works in a bookstore that once not only bought a used copy of one of Lefty's
books, but he himself _handled_ it, too! I mean, holymoly, I thought, my Kreh
Factor has just got to be wa-a-a-a-y up there! Go for the brass ring, I
thought. So I emailed him a picture I had scanned in of Lefty, Flip Pallot,
myself and a couple of other folks in the Keys or Bahamas or someplace and asked
if he recognized the older guy - maybe he had come into the shop or something.
Well, that brought no joy. He said he thought he had seen the big guy on the
right at a party or something, but didn't recognize ANY of the others. Well,
****...he recognized me! Great. My RDean factor is, well, I guess, what, ten
bizillion or something? Is that how this stuff works? I mean, it's like
bottles of booze, titties and unbendy, un-oil-canned expedition canoes - the
bigger, the better, right? Well, don't worry - I'm planning on taking all of
next week to see just how big I can get my Kreh Factor - I'll have it so high
it'll give two friggin' Sherpas and four Peruvians altitude sickness!

TC,
R


Frank Church[_11_] August 23rd, 2010 05:26 PM

Kreh Factor
 
Frank Reid © 2010 wrote in news:c69a620d-2bce-4171-b461-
:

What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


Well screw Kreh, many years ago at a FF@ gathering in a MO state park I shared a BBQ
and picnic table with Dave Whitlock and his lovely wife. He was my hero then, me
having just discovered flyfishing for bass and he had authored a book on that
subject and invented some neat bass flies. I believe he still was connected to LL
Bean then. In any event he was a down home guy and I enjoyed his company. His wife
was easy on the eyes as well. I give me a Whitlock factor of 1.

Frank Sr
...who believes not meeting him would've saved me thousands.

[email protected] August 23rd, 2010 08:59 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 11:33*am, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I'm a one. I fished with Lefty over 50 years ago when he was an
obscure outdoors columnist for the Baltimore Sun.

D. LaCourse August 23rd, 2010 09:24 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On 2010-08-23 15:59:15 -0400, " said:

On Aug 22, 11:33*am, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I'm a one. I fished with Lefty over 50 years ago when he was an
obscure outdoors columnist for the Baltimore Sun.


Screw Lefty and his Factor. Where's the Alaskan TR?

Dave



Tom Littleton[_2_] August 23rd, 2010 11:59 PM

Kreh Factor
 

"Giles" wrote in message
...
giles
for whom human beings have, thus far, been a huge disappointement


Nothing about that statement surprises me a bit.
Boo, indeed................Tom



Giles August 24th, 2010 01:13 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 22, 10:55*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:42*pm, Giles wrote:





On Aug 22, 12:36*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


"Frank Reid © 2010" wrote in ...


What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom


Perhaps there are some you haven't met yet? *Or some whose depths you
have not yet plumbed?


giles
for whom human beings have, thus far, been a huge disappointement but,
who, nevertheless, holds out hope that there are more in this world
than the handfull of thousands with whom he has thus far had close
contact.


I am a firm believer in the "six-degrees-of-separation" theory.

If given access to ALL the relevant data, I am certain I can find six
or fewer nodes between me and anyone else on earth.

Qualification: *Meeting or touching -- handshake in a receiving line
or face-to-face acknowledgement -- is the minimum requirement. *It's
not as if each node connection has to be best buddies.


I can't find fault with the theory, based on what I've read.

The problem is in the ramifications

cheers


Prosit.

oz


giles
who, generally speaking, would prefer something like 48 or 226 degrees.

Giles August 24th, 2010 01:18 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 23, 5:59*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message

...
giles
for whom human beings have, thus far, been a huge disappointement

Nothing about that statement surprises me a bit.


Perhaps you haven't plumbed its depths.

Would a case or two of pickles change your mind?

*Boo, indeed................Tom


Boo hoo.

g.

giles


Giles August 24th, 2010 01:21 AM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 23, 9:35*am, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid © 2010

wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one (I've
tied with Lefty).
Frank Reid


I'm not sure. *I know this guy, Dan, whose wife's cousin, coincidentally, also
Dan, knows a guy, John, who is an acquaintance of this guy - by a strange twist
of fate is called Bernard (is that spooky or what?) - who works at a used book
store, so I called the guy I know and got him to ask his wife her cousin's phone
number, so I called him and got the acquaintance's number, from whom I got the
book store guy's number. *I called Bernard and asked him if he had now, or had
ever had, any of the Lefty's books. *I admit, my hopes were a little dashed when
he said, "Who?," but I realize he probably doesn't care much about Kreh Factors.
And I gotta admit, I sorta understand that position.

So I explained the situation. *I didn't feel any better when his first
post-explanation question of me was to ask who these two "Dan" characters were
again. *So I explained further. *He seemed like a decent guy, willing to help
out his fellow man, so he offered to check his records. *HOT DAMN!, I thought,
we're getting close now, boy. *And sure enough, it appears that in 2008, they
did have a copy of "Presenting the Fly." *Since he was being so helpful, I asked
if he remembered if it was he who took the copy in or possibly shelved it.. *He
said that as a matter of fact, the record indicated that he did, in fact, buy
that lot of books. *BINGO! *SUCCESS IS MINE! *I HAVE A KREH FACTOR!! *And you
know, it's strange. *I didn't think I'd care much...well, as long as I'm
admitting stuff, I guess I didn't care much...but anyhoo, I will say that I did
feel a little twinge of satisfaction - you know, like that special feeling one
gets when they successfully pour themselves a cup of coffee without injury or
something.

So to recap, I know a guy whose wife's cousin knows a guy who knows a guy who
works in a bookstore that once not only bought a used copy of one of Lefty's
books, but he himself _handled_ it, too! *I mean, holymoly, I thought, my Kreh
Factor has just got to be wa-a-a-a-y up there! *Go for the brass ring, I
thought. *So I emailed him a picture I had scanned in of Lefty, Flip Pallot,
myself and a couple of other folks in the Keys or Bahamas or someplace and asked
if he recognized the older guy - maybe he had come into the shop or something.
Well, that brought no joy. *He said he thought he had seen the big guy on the
right at a party or something, but didn't recognize ANY of the others. *Well,
****...he recognized me! *Great. *My RDean factor is, well, I guess, what, ten
bizillion or something? *Is that how this stuff works? *I mean, it's like
bottles of booze, titties and unbendy, un-oil-canned expedition canoes - the
bigger, the better, right? *Well, don't worry - I'm planning on taking all of
next week to see just how big I can get my Kreh Factor - I'll have it so high
it'll give two friggin' Sherpas and four Peruvians altitude sickness!

TC,
R


Yet another edifying demonstrated of the toll exacted by a lifetime of
absolutely nothing to say.

Moron.

g.

Bill Grey[_2_] August 25th, 2010 08:01 PM

Kreh Factor
 

"--riverman" wrote in message
...
On Aug 23, 12:03 pm, george9219 wrote:
On Aug 22, 8:54 pm, --riverman wrote:





On Aug 23, 2:59 am, MajorOz wrote:


On Aug 22, 1:15 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Tom Littleton wrote:
"Frank Reid wrote:
What's your "Kreh Factor?" Fishing, mine is a two (I've fished
with
someone that has fished with Lefty). On fly tying, mine is a one
(I've
tied with Lefty).


I guess that makes me 3, and 2 respectively. Not that I've ever
strived, nor
even aspired to any association with Mr. Kreh. Fly fishing
celebraties have,
generally, been a huge disappointment. Two exceptions(possibly the
only two)
have been Jack Gartside and Francis Betters.


I met Skip Morris who is something of a fly fishing celebrity and
he's a genuinely nice guy.


As for Kreh factor, I'm a 2,2. Big whoop.


--
Ken Fortenberry


Never got near Lefty.


Had a beer or two with the Trout Bum back in the early days, on the
back porch of a bar in Lake George. Haven't seen him since.


He was an "aw, shucks" guy then, willing to talk to anyone, anytime.


Have no idea what he is like now or if he knows (probably does) Lefty.


cheers


oz


I'm 2 and 2, whoop-de-do. Fished with Ted Williams (the headless Red
Sox pitcher, who was a great friend of Lefty's) and I've tyed with
you.


--riverman


Ummm.....Ted Williams was a left fielder. Your penalty is the
deduction of the first 2 points of your Kreh Factor. I can't really
figure what mine is. I know several people who have met Lefty, but I
never did. Not surprisingly, I never tried to figure the number, and
don't really care.


OK, you got me. He did pitch two innings in 1940 against Detroit
(according to Wikipedia), but he was long-since retired before I met
him, and I actually didn't even know he was such a legendary baseball
player at the time...I thought he was some mainline player who
happened to be a great outdoorsman. But yeah, I had that entirely
wrong....must have been thinking of Babe Ruth.

--riverman

My claim to fame is having fished with --riverman. A rel nice guy - will
fish with anybody :-)

Bill



D. LaCourse August 25th, 2010 08:28 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On 2010-08-25 15:01:01 -0400, "Bill Grey" said:

My claim to fame is having fished with --riverman. A rel nice guy - will
fish with anybody :-)


Yeah, I know. He fished with me for two days before I could get rid of
him. d'o)



Frank Reid © 2010 August 25th, 2010 11:32 PM

Kreh Factor
 
On Aug 25, 2:28*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-25 15:01:01 -0400, "Bill Grey" said:

My claim to fame is having fished with --riverman. *A rel nice guy - will
fish with anybody :-)


Yeah, I know. *He fished with me for two days before I could get rid of
him. *d'o)


Yeah, and he eats crabs too. Watched him as I met him at Bass Pro in
Maryland when he'd just come off the plane from the Congo. He was
having severe culture shock going from little shops to Bass Pro.
Frank Reid


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