"Modern" fish mounts
 

This is just wrong.
http://www.flamedfish.com/Paint%20Gallery.htm

Frank Reid
(though the "Huskers" amberjack is kinda cool)

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On Oct 21, 9:24*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
This is just wrong.http://www.flamedfish.com/Paint%20Gallery.htm

Frank Reid
(though the "Huskers" amberjack is kinda cool)

Not very natural or authentic - but pretty wild. It takes all kinds.

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On Oct 22, 3:45*am, "Joel *DFD*" wrote:
On Oct 21, 9:24*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

This is just wrong.http://www.flamedfish.com/Paint%20Gallery.htm

Frank Reid
(though the "Huskers" amberjack is kinda cool)

Not very natural or authentic - but pretty wild. It takes all kinds.

An interesting exercise in trying to see the world (or, a slice of it,
anyway) from a different point of view. The materials, the
techniques, and the patterns (for the most part) come to us from the
world of fast cars, I believe. Looks to me like they got it bass
ackwards. Given the efficiency with which fish (generally) move
through a fluid medium, somebody should be paying more attention to
designing automobiles to more closely resemble fish insofar as is
practical. And then, hell, you might as well paint them to look like
fish. There is even a historical precedent of sorts. During WWII the
engine cowlings of American fighter aircraft were sometimes painted to
look like sharks, barracudas, etc., albeit the intended message had
more to do with ferocity than with fluid dynamics.

giles
all that said, de gustibus non est disputandum, i guess.

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On Oct 22, 8:07*am, Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:45*am, "Joel *DFD*" wrote:

On Oct 21, 9:24*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

This is just wrong.http://www.flamedfish.com/Paint%20Gallery.htm

Frank Reid
(though the "Huskers" amberjack is kinda cool)

Not very natural or authentic - but pretty wild. It takes all kinds.

An interesting exercise in trying to see the world (or, a slice of it,
anyway) from a different point of view. *The materials, the
techniques, and the patterns (for the most part) come to us from the
world of fast cars, I believe. *Looks to me like they got it bass
ackwards. *Given the efficiency with which fish (generally) move
through a fluid medium, somebody should be paying more attention to
designing automobiles to more closely resemble fish insofar as is
practical. *And then, hell, you might as well paint them to look like
fish. *There is even a historical precedent of sorts. *During WWII the
engine cowlings of American fighter aircraft were sometimes painted to
look like sharks, barracudas, etc., albeit the intended message had
more to do with ferocity than with fluid dynamics.

giles
all that said, de gustibus non est disputandum, i guess.

Take a good look at the F-4.

Designed from the "keel" up to be as streamlined as a shark.

And it is not a coincidence that the B-2 resembles a Manta.

cheers

oz, just back from the AF museum in Dayton OH (Wright-Patterson AFB)

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On Oct 22, 12:48*pm, MajorOz wrote:
On Oct 22, 8:07*am, Giles wrote:





On Oct 22, 3:45*am, "Joel *DFD*" wrote:

On Oct 21, 9:24*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

This is just wrong.http://www.flamedfish.com/Paint%20Gallery.htm

Frank Reid
(though the "Huskers" amberjack is kinda cool)

Not very natural or authentic - but pretty wild. It takes all kinds.

An interesting exercise in trying to see the world (or, a slice of it,
anyway) from a different point of view. *The materials, the
techniques, and the patterns (for the most part) come to us from the
world of fast cars, I believe. *Looks to me like they got it bass
ackwards. *Given the efficiency with which fish (generally) move
through a fluid medium, somebody should be paying more attention to
designing automobiles to more closely resemble fish insofar as is
practical. *And then, hell, you might as well paint them to look like
fish. *There is even a historical precedent of sorts. *During WWII the
engine cowlings of American fighter aircraft were sometimes painted to
look like sharks, barracudas, etc., albeit the intended message had
more to do with ferocity than with fluid dynamics.

giles
all that said, de gustibus non est disputandum, i guess.

Take a good look at the F-4.

Designed from the "keel" up to be as streamlined as a shark.

And it is not a coincidence that the B-2 resembles a Manta.

cheers

oz, just back from the AF museum in Dayton OH (Wright-Patterson AFB)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and the F-4 without engines flies as well as a shark. Its got
the glide ratio of a brick.
Frank Reid

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On Oct 22, 12:48*pm, MajorOz wrote:

Take a good look at the F-4.

Been there. Saw them live, up close and personal at the retirement of
a U.S. Coast Guard captain in Miami Beach long about 19aught71 or
thereabouts.....afterburners....flying straight up.....noise....all
that ****.

Designed from the "keel" up to be as streamlined as a shark.

I was more (and earlier, I believe) impressed by the resemblance
between the f-104 and sharks, of which I first became aware due to a
pair of photographs advertising some obscure book or other in "The
Last Whole Earth Catalogue,".....Stewart Brand and all that
****.....remember?*

In any case, neither of the above is a fast car, nor a WWII fighter
with imaginative painting on the engine cowlings. Not that this is a
reason to discount them as interesting objects in the own
rights.....but it clearly disqualifies both as germaine to the subject
under consideration. Moreover, Both clearly lack a dorsal fin, thus
rendering them somewhat dubious as a model for sharks......not to
mention the widespread belief in scientific circles that sharks
probably predated both anyway.

And it is not a coincidence that the B-2 resembles a Manta.

I believe my left hand bears a closer resemblance to mantas than does
a B-52, of which I saw numerous examples at a MUCH closer range than I
was comfortable with "near" K.I. Sawyer back in the late 60s and/or
early 70s.....remember? I dunno.....ask Steve Irwin.

cheers

prosit.

oz, just back from the AF museum in Dayton OH (Wright-Patterson AFB)

giles, just back from stacking wood.
*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

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On Oct 22, 2:30*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:


Yeah, and the F-4 without engines flies as well as a shark.

Not all that surprising. I believe neither was actually designed to
fly without engines. :)

Its got the glide ratio of a brick.

Makes a MUCH more spectacular splash, though.

giles

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On Oct 22, 7:21*pm, Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 12:48*pm, MajorOz wrote:

Take a good look at the F-4.

Been there. *Saw them live, up close and personal at the retirement of
a U.S. Coast Guard captain in Miami Beach long about 19aught71 or
thereabouts.....afterburners....flying straight up.....noise....all
that ****.

Designed from the "keel" up to be as streamlined as a shark.

I was more (and earlier, I believe) impressed by the resemblance
between the f-104 and sharks, of which I first became aware due to a
pair of photographs advertising some obscure book or other in "The
Last Whole Earth Catalogue,".....Stewart Brand and all that
****.....remember?*

In any case, neither of the above is a fast car, nor a WWII fighter
with imaginative painting on the engine cowlings. *Not that this is a
reason to discount them as interesting objects in the own
rights.....but it clearly disqualifies both as germaine to the subject
under consideration. *Moreover, Both clearly lack a dorsal fin, thus
rendering them somewhat dubious as a model for sharks......not to
mention the widespread belief in scientific circles that sharks
probably predated both anyway.

And it is not a coincidence that the B-2 resembles a Manta.

I believe my left hand bears a closer resemblance to mantas than does
a B-52, of which I saw numerous examples at a MUCH closer range than I
was comfortable with "near" K.I. Sawyer back in the late 60s and/or
early 70s.....remember? *I dunno.....ask Steve Irwin.

cheers

prosit.

oz, just back from the AF museum in Dayton OH (Wright-Patterson AFB)

giles, just back from stacking wood.
*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

....sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

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On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:


...sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

Actually, this is an eminently public forum.

You may post whatever you like.

Some of the rest of us will undoubtedly do likewise.

Does this strike you as being somehow unfair?

g.
still searching (evidently in vain) for the kid gloves.

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*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

Don't think it was the 104 (which I worked on). Pretty much AIM 9,
AIM 7 and guns. However, the F-4 carried a LOT of crap in its day.
http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=6097
Frank Reid

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On Oct 22, 7:59*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

Don't think it was the 104 (which I worked on). *Pretty much AIM 9,
AIM 7 and guns.

F-104 was just a guess, based solely on my recollection of seeing the
photo in what a fading memory says was pre F-4 days.

However, the F-4 carried a LOT of crap in its day.http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=6097

That photo shows precisely the sort of array I recall.....but it is
shot from a different (much higher) angle and shows a vastly different
assortment of armaments. What I remember is bombs, belted ammunition
and, perhaps, some rockets. Moreover, the plane itself was the color
of bare aluminum (presumably) and had a much sharper nose. I just
googled the F-104 and this:

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigato...ww2/F-104G.htm

does indeed look much more like what I remember.

In any case, I was fairly certain (naif though I was) that the
photograph, like yours of the F-4, showed all the armaments that the
plane COULD carry in limited combinationsand quantities.....not what
it DID carry all at one time. Even I strongly suspected that no
airplane ever had THAT kind of carrying capacity.

Maybe the best place to start the search is with the Pink Floyd album
cover. The angle from which the photo was taken is pretty nearly
identical to that I remember of the original and the gear spread out
in front of it was instantly recognizable......so much so that the
antecedent came immediately to mind. However, a desultory search has
so far failed to turn up the picture from the album cover. You'd
think this wouldn't be hard to find, ainna? :(

giles
*turns out maybe the original photo i'm looking for isn't so famous
after all. apparently this was a common sort of thing to do with
military aircraft back in the good old days when a new one rolled out
onto the runway every other week or so.

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On Oct 22, 7:59*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?


AHA! Wasn't "Meddle". It was "Ummagumma"!

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummagumma#Cover_art

"On the rear cover, roadies Alan Stiles (who also appears in Alan's
Psychedelic Breakfast) and Peter Watts are shown with the band's
equipment laid out on a runway at Biggin Hill Airport; a concept
proposed by Nick Mason, with the intention of replicating the
"exploded" drawings of military aircraft and their payloads, which
were popular at the time."

And so, evidently, it wasn't necessarily inspired specifically by the
photo I remember, but by any one or more similar photos!

Well.....damn.

giles
who would still like to find the one he remembers, and remains certain
(well, tolerably confident, anyway) that he would recognize it.

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:54:17 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:

On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:


...sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

Actually, this is an eminently public forum.

And yet, you're too big a puss to post under the name with which you originally
posted your ****....

Wolfgang - here on ROFF or right straight to your face - You're a pussy, a fraud
and you are full of ****.


Sheesh,
R

You may post whatever you like.

Some of the rest of us will undoubtedly do likewise.

Does this strike you as being somehow unfair?

g.
still searching (evidently in vain) for the kid gloves.

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On Oct 22, 9:15*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:54:17 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:

...sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

Actually, this is an eminently public forum.

And yet, you're too big a puss to post under the name with which you originally
posted your ****....

Wolfgang - here on ROFF or right straight to your face - You're a pussy, a fraud
and you are full of ****.

Sheesh,
R

Cracker.

Moron.

g.

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:

On Oct 22, 9:15*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:54:17 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:

...sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

Actually, this is an eminently public forum.

And yet, you're too big a puss to post under the name with which you originally
posted your ****....

Wolfgang - here on ROFF or right straight to your face - You're a pussy, a fraud
and you are full of ****.

Sheesh,
R

Cracker.

Moron.

Hee-hee-hee....

And the fact remains, Wolfgang, you're a pussy, etc....

HTH,
R
g.

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On Oct 23, 4:16*am, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 9:15*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 17:54:17 -0700 (PDT), Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 7:41*pm, MajorOz wrote:

...sorry

Once again, I apologize for intruding upon your private domain.

oz

Actually, this is an eminently public forum.

And yet, you're too big a puss to post under the name with which you originally
posted your ****....

Wolfgang - here on ROFF or right straight to your face - You're a pussy, a fraud
and you are full of ****.

Sheesh,
R

Cracker.

Moron.

Hee-hee-hee....

And the fact remains, Wolfgang, you're a pussy, etc....

HTH,
R

Moron.

g.

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On Oct 22, 8:31*pm, Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 7:59*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

Don't think it was the 104 (which I worked on). *Pretty much AIM 9,
AIM 7 and guns.

F-104 was just a guess, based solely on my recollection of seeing the
photo in what a fading memory says was pre F-4 days.

However, the F-4 carried a LOT of crap in its day.http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=6097

That photo shows precisely the sort of array I recall.....but it is
shot from a different (much higher) angle and shows a vastly different
assortment of armaments. *What I remember is bombs, belted ammunition
and, perhaps, some rockets. *Moreover, the plane itself was the color
of bare aluminum (presumably) and had a much sharper nose. *I just
googled the F-104 and this:

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigato...cs/post_ww2/F-...

does indeed look much more like what I remember.

In any case, I was fairly certain (naif though I was) that the
photograph, like yours of the F-4, showed all the armaments that the
plane COULD carry in limited combinationsand quantities.....not what
it DID carry all at one time. *Even I strongly suspected that no
airplane ever had THAT kind of carrying capacity.

Maybe the best place to start the search is with the Pink Floyd album
cover. *The angle from which the photo was taken is pretty nearly
identical to that I remember of the original and the gear spread out
in front of it was instantly recognizable......so much so that the
antecedent came immediately to mind. *However, a desultory search has
so far failed to turn up the picture from the album cover. *You'd
think this wouldn't be hard to find, ainna? * * * :(

giles
*turns out maybe the original photo i'm looking for isn't so famous
after all. apparently this was a common sort of thing to do with
military aircraft back in the good old days when a new one rolled out
onto the runway every other week or so.

That pic reminded me of one thing, the leading edge of the F-104
wing. It wasn't sharp like a knife (as urban legend would have it)
but it was sharp enough to crease your skull if you misjudged whilst
ducking under the wing. We had guards put on them to protect pilots
and FNG's who would invariably dent the leading edge with some part of
their body.
Frank Reid

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On Oct 23, 10:54*am, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

...We had guards put on them to protect pilots
and FNG's who would invariably dent the leading edge with some part of
their body.
Frank Reid

Hm.....

Anybody we know? :)

g.

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On Oct 22, 6:31*pm, Giles wrote:
On Oct 22, 7:59*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

*can ANYBODY help me find the famous photograph of the airplane (i
THINK it was an f-104) with all its armaments arrayed on the tarmac in
front of it, and which served as the model for the photo on the back
of one of pink floyd's albums (meddle?) which showed their presumably
private jet with all of the band's musical paraphernalia arrayed in
similar fashion?

Don't think it was the 104 (which I worked on). *Pretty much AIM 9,
AIM 7 and guns.

F-104 was just a guess, based solely on my recollection of seeing the
photo in what a fading memory says was pre F-4 days.

However, the F-4 carried a LOT of crap in its day.http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=6097

That photo shows precisely the sort of array I recall.....but it is
shot from a different (much higher) angle and shows a vastly different
assortment of armaments. *What I remember is bombs, belted ammunition
and, perhaps, some rockets. *Moreover, the plane itself was the color
of bare aluminum (presumably) and had a much sharper nose. *I just
googled the F-104 and this:

http://www.baha.be/Webpages/Navigato...cs/post_ww2/F-...

does indeed look much more like what I remember.

In any case, I was fairly certain (naif though I was) that the
photograph, like yours of the F-4, showed all the armaments that the
plane COULD carry in limited combinationsand quantities.....not what
it DID carry all at one time. *Even I strongly suspected that no
airplane ever had THAT kind of carrying capacity.

Maybe the best place to start the search is with the Pink Floyd album
cover. *The angle from which the photo was taken is pretty nearly
identical to that I remember of the original and the gear spread out
in front of it was instantly recognizable......so much so that the
antecedent came immediately to mind. *However, a desultory search has
so far failed to turn up the picture from the album cover. *You'd
think this wouldn't be hard to find, ainna? * * * :(

giles
*turns out maybe the original photo i'm looking for isn't so famous
after all. apparently this was a common sort of thing to do with
military aircraft back in the good old days when a new one rolled out
onto the runway every other week or so.

You also could order up a special version of the F4 with strengthened
wings set up for tactical nukes. Their order was one open source
indication that the Israelis had what they have.

Dave

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On 2010-10-24 16:28:00 -0400, Todd said:

On 10/23/2010 08:54 AM, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
That pic reminded me of one thing, the leading edge of the F-104
wing. It wasn't sharp like a knife (as urban legend would have it)
but it was sharp enough to crease your skull if you misjudged whilst
ducking under the wing. We had guards put on them to protect pilots
and FNG's who would invariably dent the leading edge with some part of
their body.
Frank Reid

Hi Frank,

If by FNG, you mean the Navy version of the National Guard,
In the Air Force, we called then FANG's (Freeking Air National
Guard). In the F4's day (yes, I am dating myself), we called
F4's "hogs". We all feared for who ever had to fly those
horrible things, especially when they nearly hit the tree tops
at the end of the runway every time they tried to take off.
That was not fun to watch thinking we were going to loose
someone each time. Fortunately we did not. It was a real fear.

FANGs use to wears wigs (I don't know if they still do) to cover
up their girlish, out-of-reg long civilian hair. Their heads were
in no danger as they were well protected by their wigs and all
the hair stuffed under them. So, we regulars would have probably
removed the wing guards just for them (I was no where near the
flight line), as it was absolutely hysterical when their wigs
got knocked slightly askew. The three stooges could not have
done better. Hair and wig all over their faces. Absolutely
hysterical. Wing guards would have ruined all the fun. Of
course, there was always physical training, gas mask training,
a big wind ... There was no love lost between regulars and FANG's

-T

Was at Ramstein when Air Force started transitioning to the F5.
Holy Molly what a difference. I do believe the pilots had
way, way too much fun flying those things.

There is no "Navy version of the National Guard". There is, however, a
Naval Reserve.

And FNG stands for "****in' new guy." If you were really in the
military you would already know that.

****in' sock.

Dave

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On Oct 23, 10:05*pm, Giles wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:54*am, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

...We had guards put on them to protect pilots
and FNG's who would invariably dent the leading edge with some part of
their body.
Frank Reid

Hm.....

Anybody we know? * * * :)

g.

I can neither confirm nor deny. If you would like more information,
please contact public affairs at George Air Force Base.
Frank Reid

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On 2010-10-27 14:12:26 -0400, Todd said:

On 10/26/2010 04:46 PM, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Oct 26, 1:04 pm, wrote:
On 10/25/2010 05:51 PM, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

If you would like more information,
please contact public affairs at George Air Force Base.
Frank Reid

Ooops. I thought you were Navy. My sincerest apologies.

-T

I've called in targeting coords on people for less. And don't worry,
I won't make an exception for you.
Frank Reid

I deserve far worse, maybe being forced to fish with a
Zebco and a Shakespeare with a light bulb on the end, for
mistaking, however accidental, a fellow flyboy for a,
and this pains me to even write, a, a ... "s-q-u-i-d".
-T

Up in the air, junior birdmen
Up in the air, upside down
Up in the air, junior birdmen
With your noses to the ground.

When you hear the grand announcement
That their wings are made of tin
You will know Junior Birdmen
Have sent their boxtops in.

It takes threeeeeeeeee labels,
twooooooooo bottle caps,
one box top,
and one, thinnnnnn dime.

No offense, Frank Jr.

Dave (aka Squid, Pirate, Moron, Cretin, and "excellent fisherman".) d;oP
PS: Frank served, and I know the sock didn't.

This picture reminds me of one thing, cutting-edge F-104 wing. It is not as sharp as a knife (such as urban legend would have it), but it is sharp enough to crease your skull, and avoid, if you miscalculated under the wing. We have guards to protect the pilot and they always will shake the FNG who lead a certain part of their body.