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Iveyxs wrote:
Hi everyone,
snip
I'm trying to make this a good place to get supplies and establish myself as a
reputable website owner.
...

Barry, this is what is known as SPAM. There is no surer way to insure
a reputation as a scumbag and a moron than to post crap like this to
roff. This is not the place for you to advertise, it will do far more
harm to your business than good.

Now, if you want to contact me via email I might consider giving your
new site a professional critique, at my usual fee, of course.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Iveyxs" wrote...
Hi everyone,

I've been a fisherman ever since I was able to walk, so it's only natural for
me to want more from my hobby. After months of trial and error, I finally
located a wholesaler that would sell to me with no minimum. I've started a
website - intheboat.com and would appreciate any input on how I might improve
the useability of it.

Please note any of the following or others you might recognize a need for:
1.) ease of navagation
2.) overall feel
3.) does anything not make sense
4.) colors
5.) layout and design
6.) what other stuff would make nice additions (e.g. forum, tutorials, etc...)
7.) produces you would like to see available
I'm trying to make this a good place to get supplies and establish myself as a
reputable website owner.

Thanks for your help. Please contact me directly with any feedback at
,

Several comments:
1) The statement that you want replies via email rather than reply posts to this
thread indicates slimey spam. Unless you're going to stick around in the
newsgroup, this is, as Ken stated, just spam. On the assumption that you truly
want some feedback. . .
2) You need an "About Us" page so people know with whom they're dealing.
3) Pictures are needed for all of the items you're selling. It looks like you're
working on that.
4) Many of the categories are near-empty, and I get the impression you're not
*really* starting a business, but just expanding a hobby. There's no sense
launching the site until there's stuff in it. You'll discourage people from ever
returning this way.
--
FWIW,
Tim
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Sorry guys my intention was not to spam but receive genuine response from the
fly fishing community. I want my site to be a place where people can find the
information they seek. If you can provide ideas on information you would like
to see that would be appreciated. If all you want to do is flame and accuse
people of spamming than that is your right. However, I want REAL fly fisherman
to tell me what information they would like to see on my site.
================================
www.intheboat.com - affordable fly tying supplies
================================

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"Iveyxs" wrote...
Sorry guys my intention was not to spam but receive genuine response from the
fly fishing community. I want my site to be a place where people can find the
information they seek. If you can provide ideas on information you would like
to see that would be appreciated. If all you want to do is flame and accuse
people of spamming than that is your right. However, I want REAL fly fisherman
to tell me what information they would like to see on my site.

5) BIOYA
--
HTH,
Tim
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Iveyxs wrote:
half-assed insincerities snipped
However, I want REAL fly fisherman
to tell me what information they would like to see on my site.

Well of course you do, you ignorant dumb ****, but you're not
gonna find many people here willing to do your marketing research
for you for free.

You think you've found the mother lode, a captive audience of
fly fishermen ready, willing and able to help a nice guy out
with his new business. Think again, scumbag. We all pay for our
little slice of the Usenet pie just so we can avoid freeloaders
like you.

Take your SPAM and shove it, asshole.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Iveyxs wrote:

Thanks for your help. Please contact me directly with any feedback at
,

Since you've already been insulted by the usual ROFF net nannies, I'll
give you my opinion in public.

My first impression was that it's a well designed site. I'm unlikely to
buy anything, though, because I already have quite a few sources I'm
comfortable with. You're getting into this game late, and I think you'll
have a struggle to capture eyeballs, but good luck.

For future reference, you should avoid posting anything that could even
remotely be construed as "spam" on ROFF, unless you have a very thick
skin, or unless you become a "regular." :-)

--
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"rw" wrote...
Iveyxs wrote:

Thanks for your help. Please contact me directly with any feedback at
,

Since you've already been insulted by the usual ROFF net nannies, I'll
give you my opinion in public.

My first impression was that it's a well designed site. I'm unlikely to
buy anything, though, because I already have quite a few sources I'm
comfortable with. You're getting into this game late, and I think you'll
have a struggle to capture eyeballs, but good luck.

For future reference, you should avoid posting anything that could even
remotely be construed as "spam" on ROFF, unless you have a very thick
skin, or unless you become a "regular." :-)

Now, what was the GD difference between your "constructive opinion" and my
original post? I offered what I felt were three good ideas for improvement of
the site, get blasted by the original poster (who totally ignored my input), and
get labeled "net nanny" by you!? WTF?

Oh, I almost forgot: BIOYA. :)
--
TL,
Tim
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Tim J. wrote:

Now, what was the GD difference between your "constructive opinion" and my
original post? I offered what I felt were three good ideas for improvement of
the site, get blasted by the original poster (who totally ignored my input), and
get labeled "net nanny" by you!? WTF? ...

You're looking for logic, consistency and good sense from a SPAMmer and a Putz ?

WTF indeed.

--
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Tim J. wrote:

Now, what was the GD difference between your "constructive opinion" and my
original post?

Uh, just who are you quoting there, Tim?

I offered what I felt were three good ideas for improvement of
the site, get blasted by the original poster (who totally ignored my input), and
get labeled "net nanny" by you!? WTF?

I agree. You did offer good ideas, and I apologize for calling you a net
nanny. I'd only seen your "BIOYA" post at that time. Please change "net
nannies" to "net nanny." :-)

--
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"rw" wrote

I apologize for calling you a net
nanny.

sweet baby jesus; now come, armageddon!

wayno (i wonder where timmaaay got those images of you with the goat?)

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"rw" wrote...
Tim J. wrote:
Now, what was the GD difference between your "constructive opinion" and my
original post?

Uh, just who are you quoting there, Tim?

My inner self. Are you saying that yours was not intended to be a constructive
opinion?

I offered what I felt were three good ideas for improvement of
the site, get blasted by the original poster (who totally ignored my input),
and
get labeled "net nanny" by you!? WTF?

I agree. You did offer good ideas, and I apologize for calling you a net
nanny. I'd only seen your "BIOYA" post at that time. Please change "net
nannies" to "net nanny." :-)

Whew! That was close.
--
TL,
Tim
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote...
"rw" wrote

I apologize for calling you a net
nanny.

sweet baby jesus; now come, armageddon!

wayno (i wonder where timmaaay got those images of you with the goat?)

I don't actually have any pictures, but this sign was recently seen in Stanley,
ID. . .

http://tinyurl.com/2kbya

--
TL,
Tim
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lid says...
Barry, this is what is known as SPAM. There is no surer way to insure
a reputation as a scumbag and a moron than to post crap like this to
roff. This is not the place for you to advertise, it will do far more
harm to your business than good.

Now, if you want to contact me via email I might consider giving your
new site a professional critique, at my usual fee, of course.

If you don't like it, don't read it.
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
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troutbum_mt wrote:

lid says...

Barry, this is what is known as SPAM. ...

If you don't like it, don't read it.

I am so sorry to read this because I rather enjoy pondering the
unanswerable mysteries and now it appears that one of my favorite
mysteries has been answered unequivocally. You really are as dumb
as you look. Who knew ?

--
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lid says...
I am so sorry to read this because I rather enjoy pondering the
unanswerable mysteries and now it appears that one of my favorite
mysteries has been answered unequivocally. You really are as dumb
as you look. Who knew ?

Boohoo, little baby Kenny gonna cry? *sniff sniff sniff*

I just thought it was appropriate since you netfags err nannies always
say "Don't read the OT posts if you don't like them." Same doesn't hold
for spam unwess wittle Kenny says so I guess..... :-(
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Tim J. wrote:

I don't actually have any pictures, but this sign was recently seen in Stanley,
ID. . .

The following photo, which was taken right outside my front door, shows
the kind of goat lovers we welcome in Stanley:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/goat.jpg

That's my dog Arlo in the bottom of the photo, for those of you who have
been privileged to meet him. He really liked that dead goat.

BTW, the goat (rump roast) was delicious. I can post a superb goat
recipe if anyone is interested.

If it's goat-friendly scenery you desire, you can hike not far from
town, into the Sawtooth Mountains, to Goat Lake:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/goatlake.jpg

Finally BTW, North American Mountain Goats aren't really goats. They're
antelopes, like the European Chamois. The North American Pronghorn
Antelope, however, are actually goats. Evolution is complicated.

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troutbum_mt wrote:
lid says...

I am so sorry to read this because I rather enjoy pondering the
unanswerable mysteries and now it appears that one of my favorite
mysteries has been answered unequivocally. You really are as dumb
as you look. Who knew ?


Boohoo, little baby Kenny gonna cry? *sniff sniff sniff*

I just thought it was appropriate since you netfags err nannies always
say "Don't read the OT posts if you don't like them." Same doesn't hold
for spam unwess wittle Kenny says so I guess..... :-(

If somebody on roff says Orvis Wonderline is the greatest thing since
sliced bread, you may think he's never fly fished with anything else,
you may think he's an idiot, you may think he's right smack-dab on the
money, but you don't think he's an Orvis shill tryin' to sell you a
Wonderline because we, and I mean me, do not ever, never, ever, never
allow no goddamn SPAM around here. Period. End of paragraph.

And if you think that's the same thing as telling the right-wing
nitwit pinheads to ignore the clearly marked OT political threads
then you are WAY dumber than I give you credit for (and frankly
I give you LOTS of dumb credits).

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Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...

....Who knew ?

I did.

Wolfgang

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Sorry to piggyback on your message, but what's going on here didn't sink in
'til later. It would appear that the topic has
changed. . .

1. Spam is an unwanted solicitation to buy something. I did not see that
the original poster asked anyone to BUY anything. Spam is NOT just anything
posted that one doesn't like or happens to disagree with.

2. When a brother of the angle asks for a little advice or help, I think it
should be given in the nature in which it was asked. Intimidation and
name-calling are off topic.

3. Civil discourse is sadly lacking in our society. It is possible to
disagree with someone without resorting to profanity and name-calling.
Those are the weapons of bullies, and surely we have more than enough of
those. Perhaps there is a newsgroup called alt.shrill.cuss.bully.infantile,
for those who insist on taking that tack. We are here to discuss fly
fishing. I think it takes more maturity to exercise restraint and remain
silent, than to twist an innocent post into something it isn't.

4. Barry, you don't deserve to be flamed. Your site looks very
professional, but the products are a bit sparse (understandably, for a new
business) in a few departments. Good luck to you in your venture, it is
obviously a labor of love.

Cordially yours,
Anglerboy

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"rw" wrote...
snip
If it's goat-friendly scenery you desire, you can hike not far from
town, into the Sawtooth Mountains, to Goat Lake:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/goatlake.jpg

I *love* that photo.
--
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Tim
(I guess that makes me a Goat Lake lover.)
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Anglerboy wrote:
...
1. Spam is an unwanted solicitation to buy something. I did not see that
the original poster asked anyone to BUY anything. ...

================================================== ============================
I'm trying to make this a good place to get supplies and establish myself as a
reputable website owner.
================================================== ============================

Unless "get supplies" means that he's giving away fly tying supplies
you are as much a bloody ****ing moron as Mr. Ivey, but at least Barry
Ivey has the balls the sign his SPAM, you are just an anonymous nitwit.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...


....Who knew ?


I did.


Yeah, the two of you know it ALL. **** ya both.

Willi

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"Willi" wrote in message
...


Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in
message
...


....Who knew ?


I did.


Yeah, the two of you know it ALL. **** ya both.

You are too kind. Thank you.

Wolfgang
yeah, o.k., the sweetness and light path does seem to have its merits.

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"Anglerboy" wrote...
Sorry to piggyback on your message, but what's going on here didn't sink in
'til later. It would appear that the topic has
changed. . .

1. Spam is an unwanted solicitation to buy something. I did not see that
the original poster asked anyone to BUY anything. Spam is NOT just anything
posted that one doesn't like or happens to disagree with.

Making a post that does nothing but direct the group to a retail site borders
*really* close to spam, although I choose to think the feller was really just
asking for opinions. How about all of these fake "I found this really neat
product" posts? You don't consider that spam?

2. When a brother of the angle asks for a little advice or help, I think it
should be given in the nature in which it was asked. Intimidation and
name-calling are off topic.

Ahhhh, but who is to judge the nature in which is was asked?

3. Civil discourse is sadly lacking in our society. It is possible to
disagree with someone without resorting to profanity and name-calling.
Those are the weapons of bullies, and surely we have more than enough of
those. Perhaps there is a newsgroup called alt.shrill.cuss.bully.infantile,
for those who insist on taking that tack. We are here to discuss fly
fishing. I think it takes more maturity to exercise restraint and remain
silent, than to twist an innocent post into something it isn't.

Shut up, butt face. :)

4. Barry, you don't deserve to be flamed. Your site looks very
professional, but the products are a bit sparse (understandably, for a new
business) in a few departments. Good luck to you in your venture, it is
obviously a labor of love.

GAG If he can't take some heat, he sure as hell shouldn't be in *this*
kitchen. I've still got the initial burn marks and I've been hangin' around for
a while.
--
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Tim
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Tim J. wrote:

"rw" wrote...
snip

If it's goat-friendly scenery you desire, you can hike not far from
town, into the Sawtooth Mountains, to Goat Lake:

http://www.ruralnetwork.net/~troutbum/web/goatlake.jpg


I *love* that photo.

me too steve.... nice shot.

wally

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Willi wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

....Who knew ?

I did.

Yeah, the two of you know it ALL. **** ya both.

The sanctimonious little prick has pulled the great big stick
out of his tight little ass long enough to clamber down off
his big high horse and insult not one, but two lesser creatures.
It must be a great day to be a sanctimonious little prick, and
don't you think for one minute that I don't appreciate the insult.

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From: Ken Fortenberry

And if you think that's the same thing as telling the right-wing
nitwit pinheads to ignore the clearly marked OT political threads
then you are WAY dumber than I give you credit for (and frankly
I give you LOTS of dumb credits).

Does that mean only the left wing nitwit pinheads are allowed to read the
clearly marked OT political threads?



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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George Adams wrote:

Does that mean only the left wing nitwit pinheads are allowed to read the
clearly marked OT political threads?

No, it means that nobody, left, right or martian, can bitch and moan
about clearly marked OT political threads on roff.

But then, you knew that already.

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says...
Yeah, the two of you know it ALL. **** ya both.

And that pretty well sums it up. :-)
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Lord, please melt the ice so these yankees can get off their computers and
go fishin'

TL
Ed (remove nospam to reply)

"troutbum_mt" wrote in message
...
says...
Yeah, the two of you know it ALL. **** ya both.

And that pretty well sums it up. :-)
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"Iveyxs" wrote in message
...
However, I want REAL fly fisherman
to tell me what information they would like to see on my site.
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================================

whores, drugs, good prices on hard to find re-mastered CD's and a really
hungry
lawyer with no morals...

john

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Warren, you should be kinder and stop battling Ken. In a battle of wits, it is
not nice to attack the defenseless.


Lou T

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"asadi" wrote

whores, drugs, good prices on hard to find re-mastered CD's and a really
hungry
lawyer with no morals...

john

my man asadi, in late, but packin' the *word*, baby!

oops, almost forgot: hilarious!

yfitons
wayno

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From: Ken Fortenberry

George Adams wrote:

Does that mean only the left wing nitwit pinheads are allowed to read the
clearly marked OT political threads?

No, it means that nobody, left, right or martian, can bitch and moan
about clearly marked OT political threads on roff.

{;-)



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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Lat705 wrote:

Warren, you should be kinder and stop battling Ken. In a battle of wits, it is
not nice to attack the defenseless.

Fer gawd's sake Lou, that tired old put-down was lame way back
when you still had hair.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Lat705 wrote:

Warren, you should be kinder and stop battling Ken. In a battle of
wits, it is
not nice to attack the defenseless.


Fer gawd's sake Lou, that tired old put-down was lame way back
when you still had hair.



Not sure that being good at a "put-down" is an especially admirable trait.

Willi

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Willi wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Lat705 wrote:

Warren, you should be kinder and stop battling Ken. In a battle of
wits, it is
not nice to attack the defenseless.

Fer gawd's sake Lou, that tired old put-down was lame way back
when you still had hair.

Not sure that being good at a "put-down" is an especially admirable trait.

Being a lame and pathetic numskull isn't particularly admirable either
and given a choice between being an accomplished put-down artist or a
pathetic numskull I know which side of the coin I'd rather be on.

So, being in a magnanimous mood this morning, please allow me this
small bit of tutelage in the fine art of the insult. Lou's admonition
to Warren doesn't really work because it's not constructed properly.
Try this instead; "Warren, you are aware of course that in engaging
Ken in a battle of wits you are fighting an unarmed man."

Now see, isn't that much better ? Let that be a lesson to you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Lat705 wrote:

Warren, you should be kinder and stop battling Ken. In a battle of
wits, it is
not nice to attack the defenseless.


Fer gawd's sake Lou, that tired old put-down was lame way back
when you still had hair.

It's still better than "**** you, choc."

--
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:17:34 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Being a lame and pathetic numskull isn't particularly admirable either
and given a choice between being an accomplished put-down artist or a
pathetic numskull I know which side of the coin I'd rather be on.

Too bad you can't choose, eh?
--
Charlie...

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Charlie Choc wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:17:34 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Being a lame and pathetic numskull isn't particularly admirable either
and given a choice between being an accomplished put-down artist or a
pathetic numskull I know which side of the coin I'd rather be on.


Too bad you can't choose, eh?

**** you, Choc.

--
Ken Fortenberry