the death of roff
 

the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

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On 2011-09-07 18:01:05 -0400, "Wayne Harrison" said:

the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

Well, why don't you go fishing with me and jeffy in Maine come next
June? A good trip report would help.

Louie

the death of roff
 

Wayne Harrison wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. but, there you have it.

Yeah, like buggy whips, full service gas stations and phone booths
Usenet is dead and, for all practical purposes, gone.

It was fun while it lasted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Wayne Harrison wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. there may
be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone;
long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. but, there you have it.

Yeah, like buggy whips, full service gas stations and phone booths
Usenet is dead and, for all practical purposes, gone.

It was fun while it lasted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Call me when it's over :-)

Bill

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On Sep 7, 5:01*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. *there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. *but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

Well, you let it happen.

But it hasn't.

And it won't.

And there it is.

Wolfgang
think about it wayno......that's your job.....and word has it you do
it well.

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On Sep 7, 5:47*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Wayne Harrison wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. *there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. *but, there you have it.

Yeah, like buggy whips, full service gas stations and phone booths
Usenet is dead and, for all practical purposes, gone.

It was fun while it lasted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

BOO!

g.
hee, hee, hee.

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On Sep 7, 6:01*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. *there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. *but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

Jeff, Indian Joe and I discussed this on Penns Creek one day. The
toxicity of this place certainly has contributed to driving people
away from ROFF. Ranting is fine, and disagreeing is fine. But this
place slipped into just plain ugly from time to time.
I know – leave if you don’t like the place….

the death of roff
 

On Sep 9, 6:59*am, PENZZZ wrote:

Jeff, Indian Joe and I discussed this on Penns Creek one day. *The
toxicity of this place certainly has contributed to driving people
away from ROFF.

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

Ranting is fine

sometimes

and disagreeing is fine.

nearly always.

But this
place slipped into just plain ugly from time to time.

So?

I know – leave if you don’t like the place….

Yeah.....good plan.....wouldn't want to stick around and do anything
to make it better.....right?

gee......i wonder if anybody wonders why this sort of **** happens.

hm......karma, i guess.

g.
who never seen so many ****in' buddhists and hindus.

the death of roff
 

g.
who never seen so many ****in' buddhists and hindus.



"in the winter, i'm a buddhist,
in the summer, i'm a nudist."

joseph ferdinand gould

from the "ain't no atheists in foxholes" collection of life's axioms...

jeff

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On Sep 8, 12:47*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Wayne Harrison wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. *there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. *but, there you have it.

Yeah, like buggy whips, full service gas stations and phone booths
Usenet is dead and, for all practical purposes, gone.

It was fun while it lasted.

--
Ken Fortenberry

The main reason for the demise of this group is you, and others like
you, you poisonous *******.

You wont last five minutes on any social media as soon as you get up
to your nasty tricks.

the death of roff
 

Giles wrote in news:49aafd5c-8322-4448-a0d0-
:

On Sep 9, 6:59*am, PENZZZ wrote:

Jeff, Indian Joe and I discussed this on Penns Creek one day. *The
toxicity of this place certainly has contributed to driving people
away from ROFF.

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

Ranting is fine

sometimes

and disagreeing is fine.

nearly always.

But this
place slipped into just plain ugly from time to time.

So?

I know – leave if you don’t like the place….

Yeah.....good plan.....wouldn't want to stick around and do anything
to make it better.....right?

gee......i wonder if anybody wonders why this sort of **** happens.

hm......karma, i guess.

g.
who never seen so many ****in' buddhists and hindus.



moron!

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Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one
of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date
that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago. http://yourdeathdate.info
- I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there
must be some kind of magic involved here.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 11, 11:42*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:
Giles wrote in news:49aafd5c-8322-4448-a0d0-
:





On Sep 9, 6:59*am, PENZZZ wrote:

Jeff, Indian Joe and I discussed this on Penns Creek one day. *The
toxicity of this place certainly has contributed to driving people
away from ROFF.

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. *And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. *Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

Ranting is fine

sometimes

and disagreeing is fine.

nearly always.

But this
place slipped into just plain ugly from time to time.

So?

I know – leave if you don’t like the place….

Yeah.....good plan.....wouldn't want to stick around and do anything
to make it better.....right?

gee......i wonder if anybody wonders why this sort of **** happens.

hm......karma, i guess.

g.
who never seen so many ****in' buddhists and hindus.

moron!

moron.

g.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 12, 7:33Â*am, Marta Koźlik wrote:
Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one
of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date
that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago.http://yourdeathdate.info
- I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there
must be some kind of magic involved here.

Magical thinking. Not the same thing at all.

The good news is that you WILL die.

g.

the death of roff
 

"Giles" wrote in message
...

On Sep 12, 7:33 am, Marta Koźlik wrote:
Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one
of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date
that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago.http://yourdeathdate.info
- I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there
must be some kind of magic involved here.

Magical thinking. Not the same thing at all.

The good news is that you WILL die.

g.

In the afternoon of that day, in the tumult of that storm, in a little house
on the island of Xaltocan, I came forth from my mother and began my dying.
A Mixtli quote form the book 'Aztec' by Gary Jennings....


john

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salmobytes wrote in news:c3882149-1165-
:

On Sep 9, 7:11*pm, Giles wrote:

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. *And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. *Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.


....most of the daily fishing chatter has migrated over to any one of
a zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (perhaps some sadistic
torturing Mike Xyz, by exploiting personal foibles and weaknesses)
immediately get deleted.

This provides a veneer of civility. People learn that toxic posts get
deleted, so they don't make them in the first place. That doesn't mean
they are, in general, civil. Given access to a place like ROFF,
they'll quickly revert to Lord of the Flies behavior. The veneer of
civility is, however, better than the alternative. No?


No!

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so much
better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

That's right....I forgot, you have migrated over to any one of a zillion
moderated "forums" where toxic posts (i.e. postings that don't follow
party ideology...I mean forum standards) immediately get deleted.

The veneer of civility (censorship)is, however, better than the
alternative (free speech). No?

HH.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 19, 10:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so much
better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

....that was my first post in over a year. Posted here perhaps a half
a dozen times
in the last 3-4 years. Thanks for reminding me to stay away (usenet
increasingly seems
to attract right-wing nut cases, among all the other deviant weirdos).
Sayonara mf.

the death of roff
 

salmobytes wrote in
:

On Sep 19, 10:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so
much better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

...that was my first post in over a year. Posted here perhaps a half
a dozen times
in the last 3-4 years. Thanks for reminding me to stay away (usenet
increasingly seems
to attract right-wing nut cases, among all the other deviant weirdos).


.......and yet you are still posting, and you are still here. Wonder why
that is?


Sayonara mf.


You'll be back, and posting again.....it's inevitable!

See you soon salmobutt. g

the death of roff
 

sandy seems a decent guy and was a valued source of info here...you
however, whoever you are, well, i can't recall reading anything of value
or interest from you...

so it goes...

jeff

On 9/21/2011 8:45 AM, ScovilleUnit wrote:
wrote in
:

On Sep 19, 10:39 pm, wrote:

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so
much better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

...that was my first post in over a year. Posted here perhaps a half
a dozen times
in the last 3-4 years. Thanks for reminding me to stay away (usenet
increasingly seems
to attract right-wing nut cases, among all the other deviant weirdos).


......and yet you are still posting, and you are still here. Wonder why
that is?


Sayonara mf.


You'll be back, and posting again.....it's inevitable!

See you soon salmobutt.g

the death of roff
 

On Sep 19, 2:13*pm, salmobytes wrote:
On Sep 9, 7:11*pm, Giles wrote:

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. *And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. *Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

....most of the daily fishing chatter has migrated over to any one of
a zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (perhaps some sadistic
torturing Mike Xyz, by exploiting personal foibles and weaknesses)
immediately get deleted.

This provides a veneer of civility. People learn that toxic posts get
deleted, so they don't make them in the first place. That doesn't mean
they are, in general, civil. *Given access to a place like ROFF,
they'll quickly revert to Lord of the Flies behavior. *The veneer of
civility is, however, better than the alternative. No?

no.

The civilized don't require veneer.

g.
though they don't cavil at a good shellacking.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 19, 11:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:
salmobytes wrote in news:c3882149-1165-
:





On Sep 9, 7:11*pm, Giles wrote:

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. *And it is rarely
toxicity that does the trick. *Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

....most of the daily fishing chatter has migrated over to any one of
a zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (perhaps some sadistic
torturing Mike Xyz, by exploiting personal foibles and weaknesses)
immediately get deleted.

This provides a veneer of civility. People learn that toxic posts get
deleted, so they don't make them in the first place. That doesn't mean
they are, in general, civil. *Given access to a place like ROFF,
they'll quickly revert to Lord of the Flies behavior. *The veneer of
civility is, however, better than the alternative. No?

No!

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so much
better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

That's right....I forgot, you have migrated over to any one of a zillion
moderated "forums" where toxic posts (i.e. postings that don't follow
party ideology...I mean forum standards) immediately get deleted.

The veneer of civility (censorship)is, however, better than the
alternative (free speech). No?

HH.

moron.

g.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 20, 6:43*am, salmobytes wrote:
On Sep 19, 10:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so much
better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

...that was my first post in over a year. *Posted here perhaps a half
a dozen times
in the last 3-4 years. *Thanks for reminding me to stay away (usenet
increasingly seems
to attract right-wing nut cases, among all the other deviant weirdos).
Sayonara mf.

moron.

g.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 21, 7:45*am, ScovilleUnit wrote:
salmobytes wrote :

On Sep 19, 10:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so
much better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

...that was my first post in over a year. *Posted here perhaps a half
a dozen times
in the last 3-4 years. *Thanks for reminding me to stay away (usenet
increasingly seems
to attract right-wing nut cases, among all the other deviant weirdos).

......and yet you are still posting, and you are still here. *Wonder why
that is?

Sayonara mf.

You'll be back, and posting again.....it's inevitable!

See you soon salmobutt. g

moron.

g.

the death of roff
 

Giles wrote in
:

On Sep 19, 11:39*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:
salmobytes wrote in news:c3882149-1165-
:





On Sep 9, 7:11*pm, Giles wrote:

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. *And it is
rarel
y
toxicity that does the trick. *Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

....most of the daily fishing chatter has migrated over to any one
of a zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (perhaps some
sadistic torturing Mike Xyz, by exploiting personal foibles and
weaknesses) immediately get deleted.

This provides a veneer of civility. People learn that toxic posts
get deleted, so they don't make them in the first place. That
doesn't mean they are, in general, civil. *Given access to a place
like ROFF, they'll quickly revert to Lord of the Flies behavior.
*The veneer of civility is, however, better than the alternative.
No?

No!

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so
much better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

That's right....I forgot, you have migrated over to any one of a
zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (i.e. postings that
don't follow party ideology...I mean forum standards) immediately get
deleted.

The veneer of civility (censorship)is, however, better than the
alternative (free speech). No?

HH.

moron.

g.


Green Teeth FOOL!

HH.

the death of roff
 

On Sep 7, 6:01*pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. *there may be
some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of a rainbow in
the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark it down as gone; long
gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. *but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

Ahh, for the good old days, when we were all young and bitey. I look
back in fondness at the many hours, days, and weeks of wasted time
here - ****ing contests with Gherke, attempts to have a civil
conversation with Mo Skeeter and later RDean, and real, true
friendships forged and forgotten. Flame wars, nastiness, the
anonymous trolls, hilarity, wit and actual useful information, shared
flies, lies, and ryes - it was all good, but probably better gone and
buried in the archives. It was fun while it lasted. We should never
have let the AOL and WebTV crowd in the back doorg. I feel lucky to
have met a lot of the old gang, some of whom I still count as friends,
even though I haven't seen them in ages, and may never again.

Hope we meet again some day wayno, on a stream, or just near one.

--Stan

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On Sep 22, 9:45*pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:
Giles wrote :





On Sep 19, 11:39 pm, ScovilleUnit wrote:
salmobytes wrote in news:c3882149-1165-
:

On Sep 9, 7:11 pm, Giles wrote:

People get driven away from EVERY place, EVERY day. And it is
rarel
y
toxicity that does the trick. Look at religion.....ANY
religion.....for a case in point.

....most of the daily fishing chatter has migrated over to any one
of a zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (perhaps some
sadistic torturing Mike Xyz, by exploiting personal foibles and
weaknesses) immediately get deleted.

This provides a veneer of civility. People learn that toxic posts
get deleted, so they don't make them in the first place. That
doesn't mean they are, in general, civil. Given access to a place
like ROFF, they'll quickly revert to Lord of the Flies behavior.
The veneer of civility is, however, better than the alternative.
No?

No!

I state my case again, if your Socialist, censorship "forums" are so
much better than Usenet, why the hell are you still posting here?

That's right....I forgot, you have migrated over to any one of a
zillion moderated "forums" where toxic posts (i.e. postings that
don't follow party ideology...I mean forum standards) immediately get
deleted.

The veneer of civility (censorship)is, however, better than the
alternative (free speech). No?

HH.

moron.

g.

Green Teeth FOOL!

HH.

moron.

g.

the death of roff
 

s g typed:
On Sep 7, 6:01 pm, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:
the demise of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is a tragic certainty. there
may be some reflexive flips and flops, not unlike the last gasps of
a rainbow in the rocks and sand up on hazel creek, but you can mark
it down as gone; long gone.

that truth troubles me as much as anyone. but, there you have it.

yfitons
wayno

Ahh, for the good old days, when we were all young and bitey. I look
back in fondness at the many hours, days, and weeks of wasted time
here - ****ing contests with Gherke, attempts to have a civil
conversation with Mo Skeeter and later RDean, and real, true
friendships forged and forgotten. Flame wars, nastiness, the
anonymous trolls, hilarity, wit and actual useful information, shared
flies, lies, and ryes - it was all good, but probably better gone and
buried in the archives. It was fun while it lasted. We should never
have let the AOL and WebTV crowd in the back doorg. I feel lucky to
have met a lot of the old gang, some of whom I still count as friends,
even though I haven't seen them in ages, and may never again.

Hope we meet again some day wayno, on a stream, or just near one.

Who are you, and what have you done with Stan? :)
--
TL,
Tim
(still burping from the BSBCBF (Beer, Sausage, Beer, Cigars, and Beer Fest))