waders rant
 

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.


Print out this post or rewrite it and mail it to the owner. If he really
has treated you incredibly well in the past, he should do right by you.
If not **** him and never go there again.

Willi

waders rant
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

Hey that really sucks. BTW my unscientific intuition about Simms is that
their motto should be something along the lines of:

we make the best stuff, everything else sucks, you'll be lucky if you can
afford this

as opposed to

the customer is always right.

I bought the large because the medium king was unavailable and I needed a
new pair of waders ASAP. The other thing about Simms is that their sizes
seem a little small. I'm 5'8 and 175 lbs. When I tried on the mediums I
thought the seams would burst in the thighs if I did a squat. They must
expect that most people have legs like chickens.

Mu

waders rant
 

The waders were not simms.


In article
. umich.edu,
Mu Young Lee wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

Hey that really sucks. BTW my unscientific intuition about Simms is that
their motto should be something along the lines of:

we make the best stuff, everything else sucks, you'll be lucky if you can
afford this

as opposed to

the customer is always right.

I bought the large because the medium king was unavailable and I needed a
new pair of waders ASAP. The other thing about Simms is that their sizes
seem a little small. I'm 5'8 and 175 lbs. When I tried on the mediums I
thought the seams would burst in the thighs if I did a squat. They must
expect that most people have legs like chickens.

Mu

waders rant
 

Steve The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly
Steve hard.

Tell the owner that you remember exactly how you ended up with the
size that you now have, and suggest that he might have an incorrect
recollection of the sequence of events.

This gives him a chance to rectify his mistake. If he does nothing,
then tell your story to every local friend who has ever wet line. And
mention the shop and the owner by name. I strongly believe that
sharing information is one of the key mechanisms to improving the way
customers are treated.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

waders rant
 

The waders were not simms.

ADG?

Frank

waders rant
 

Wow, what a tear jerking tale......Sounds like ya have like 2 options: 1. go
back and give the fella the $270.00, B. go elsewhere and buy a pair of
waders, or A.-wade without waders... Cabela's has an excellent wader for
under $100.00... A small peace of advice here from an x-fatguy, loose some
weight!!!
Sr.



"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

Steve Sullivan wrote in news:none-501831.14570525032004
@news.sf.sbcglobal.net:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

The owner basically said that the waders wouldn't fail because they were
stretched, and based on where they failed, they didn't.

It was you who let the guy talk you into getting a size other than what you
wanted. It was you who tried to use the warranty to get a custom size. If
you hadn't mentioned sizing when you spoke with the manufacturer, it never
would have come up, and you would have gotten a replacement pair of the
same size.

You contracted for a guy under a barter system for something you didn't
need. Work for cash--its much simpler.

Scott

waders rant
 

I recommend the Patagonia waders:

a) best waders there are
b) best warranty

....the only disadvantage is the price, which
is high. But by the 3rd or 4th season, that
price starts to look pretty damn good.

waders rant
 

Sr. wrote:
Wow, what a tear jerking tale......Sounds like ya have like 2 options: 1. go
back and give the fella the $270.00, B. go elsewhere and buy a pair of
waders, or A.-wade without waders... Cabela's has an excellent wader for
under $100.00... A small peace of advice here from an x-fatguy, loose some
weight!!!
Sr.

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff



"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
ink.net...

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff

I tell ya, the place is goin' to the dawgs! Remember when we all used
to just sit around the campfire eatin' s'mores and singin' show tunes?

Wolfgang
ooooooooooklahoma where the......c'mon everybody....just join right
in...... :)

waders rant
 

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004, Steve Sullivan wrote:

The waders were not simms.

d:-o

Mu

waders rant
 

Salmo Bytes wrote:
I recommend the Patagonia waders:

a) best waders there are
b) best warranty

...the only disadvantage is the price, which
is high. But by the 3rd or 4th season, that
price starts to look pretty damn good.

I only made it halfway through the second season with mine. They were,
IMO, too lightly built.

waders rant
 

"Wolfgang" wrote...
"Jeff" wrote...

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff

I tell ya, the place is goin' to the dawgs! Remember when we all used
to just sit around the campfire eatin' s'mores and singin' show tunes?

Wolfgang
ooooooooooklahoma where the......c'mon everybody....just join right
in...... :)

I hate it when I join in and no one else does.
--
TL,
Tim
"Then give three cheers, and one cheer more,
For the Captain of the Pinafore!"
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

waders rant
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in news:c41sc5$2dtnud$1@ID-
205717.news.uni-berlin.de:


"Jeff" wrote in message
ink.net...

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff

I tell ya, the place is goin' to the dawgs! Remember when we all used
to just sit around the campfire eatin' s'mores and singin' show tunes?

Wolfgang
ooooooooooklahoma where the......c'mon everybody....just join right
in...... :)




He must know something
He don't say nothing
He just keeps rolling...

Scott

waders rant
 

In article ,
"Frank Reid" wrote:

The waders were not simms.

ADG?

Frank

At this point I am not going to mention either the name of the
manufacturer or fly shop. I will first give them a chance to rectify the
situation.

waders rant
 

Salmo Bytes wrote:

I recommend the Patagonia waders:

a) best waders there are
b) best warranty

...the only disadvantage is the price, which
is high. But by the 3rd or 4th season, that
price starts to look pretty damn good.

Glad you like them. I've heard some mixed reports on them. A couple
people I know have had trouble with them.

Willi

waders rant
 

Tim J. wrote:

"Wolfgang" wrote...

"Jeff" wrote...

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff

I tell ya, the place is goin' to the dawgs! Remember when we all used
to just sit around the campfire eatin' s'mores and singin' show tunes?

Wolfgang
ooooooooooklahoma where the......c'mon everybody....just join right
in...... :)


I hate it when I join in and no one else does.



I was waiting for Kumbaya


Willi

waders rant
 

"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message
om...
I recommend the Patagonia waders:

a) best waders there are

One man's best anything is another man's piece of ****, mine were pieces of
****

b) best warranty

Like hell, I moved to Kansas in 2001, on the way out of Illinois I bought a
pair. Two trips to the south fork of the platte and one trip to the North
Fork of the White and the seat had worn through. Less than a year old with
three trips on them and patagonia wouldn't replace or refund because "it was
obvious I had abused them by sitting on too many rocks" Two angry phone
calls up the chain later I got my money back. I should never have forsaken
my Simms, since 1997 and going strong.

waders rant
 

Wayne Knight wrote:
"Salmo Bytes" wrote in message
om...

I recommend the Patagonia waders:

a) best waders there are


One man's best anything is another man's piece of ****, mine were pieces of
****


b) best warranty


Like hell, I moved to Kansas in 2001, on the way out of Illinois I bought a
pair. Two trips to the south fork of the platte and one trip to the North
Fork of the White and the seat had worn through. Less than a year old with
three trips on them and patagonia wouldn't replace or refund because "it was
obvious I had abused them by sitting on too many rocks" Two angry phone
calls up the chain later I got my money back. I should never have forsaken
my Simms, since 1997 and going strong.



Right on, Wayne. The feet wore out in mine, far sooner than they should
have.

Simms rules. :-)

waders rant
 

Wow,

I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

"Willi" wrote in message
...


Tim J. wrote:

"Wolfgang" wrote...

"Jeff" wrote...

gawd...can't you just feel the love?

jeff

I tell ya, the place is goin' to the dawgs! Remember when we all used
to just sit around the campfire eatin' s'mores and singin' show tunes?

Wolfgang
ooooooooooklahoma where the......c'mon everybody....just join right
in...... :)


I hate it when I join in and no one else does.



I was waiting for Kumbaya

Well, I haven't researched the matter thoroughly, but I don't think that's a
show tune.

Wolfgang
waiting for a call back from "just jack!".

waders rant
 

There are tons of places to buy fly fishing equipment now so don't ever go
back to a retailer that you don't feel comfortable with.

A good fly shop could fit you better over the phone than it sounds like from
your report.

I am short, fat with short legs and small feet so I have to get custom
waders that are $50 more.

Also, I don't see any waders other than Simms that are worth buying in the
US. Patagonia is still in the R&D catch-up mode with Simms especially for
fit. We got tired of closing out thousands of dollars worth of redesigned
waders every year that did not fit people well.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Willi" wrote in message
...


Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.


Print out this post or rewrite it and mail it to the owner. If he really
has treated you incredibly well in the past, he should do right by you.
If not **** him and never go there again.

Willi

waders rant
 

Hi Bill, I took the waders to Fish First in Chico and they suggested I
contact the Colorado Better Business Bureu. Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Wow,

I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


Can we say principe??? By all means it'd be worth the effort!!!
Sr.


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Hi Bill, I took the waders to Fish First in Chico and they suggested I
contact the Colorado Better Business Bureu. Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Wow,

I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me
*INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and
RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE
SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in
the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material
in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the
waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting
the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate
most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
Hi Bill, I took the waders to Fish First in Chico and they suggested I
contact the Colorado Better Business Bureu. Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


It will only be worth the effort if the company you will be filing a
complaint about has a standing membership in the BBB. Otherwise it is
useless. Unless of course that said company would someday wish to become a
member.

Not all companies are members of the BBB and filing against a non member is
just several pages of paperwork that will get filed in a lost cabinet.

waders rant
 

Hi Bill, I tried to email you but the email bounced because it said you
were over quota. I have kept the names of the businesses secret to try
to be fair to them, but I have explained my situation to other flyshop's
as well as the internet (as well as showing the waders to fish first)
and they have all agreed I am getting screwed over. The waders are made
by ADG. The local fly shop is Sierra Stream and Mountain in Chico.
They also go by the name tie fast and sell quality accessories, such as
their knot tiers.

Is their a way to see if Sierra Stream and Mountain is a member of the
california BBB and if ADG is a member of the Colorado BBB? ADG, btw,
makes a really nice fly rod, the titan. I have one of these as well as
one of their reels. Obviously I am less than happy with their customer
service, but I suppose there is a small chance they will do right (a
very small chance). As far as the waders go, Fish first said they have
a couple of issues. First of all the feet are neoprene and they said
most waders have a more durable material. Also, their is a patch on the
knee that has come undone, they said that it is single stitched and a
quality wader would be double stitched.



In article ,
Steve Sullivan wrote:

Hi Bill, I took the waders to Fish First in Chico and they suggested I
contact the Colorado Better Business Bureu. Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Wow,

I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me *INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy). The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly hard.

waders rant
 

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:56:29 GMT, Steve Sullivan wrote:

I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.
[rant snipped]

There's your real problem right the no sense of perspective...

/daytripper (how many lifetimes do you think you get, anyway?)

waders rant
 

Steve,

Who is 'ADG' ?

Try my email again?

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...

Hi Bill, I tried to email you but the email bounced because it said you
were over quota. I have kept the names of the businesses secret to try
to be fair to them, but I have explained my situation to other flyshop's
as well as the internet (as well as showing the waders to fish first)
and they have all agreed I am getting screwed over. The waders are made
by ADG. The local fly shop is Sierra Stream and Mountain in Chico.
They also go by the name tie fast and sell quality accessories, such as
their knot tiers.

Is their a way to see if Sierra Stream and Mountain is a member of the
california BBB and if ADG is a member of the Colorado BBB? ADG, btw,
makes a really nice fly rod, the titan. I have one of these as well as
one of their reels. Obviously I am less than happy with their customer
service, but I suppose there is a small chance they will do right (a
very small chance). As far as the waders go, Fish first said they have
a couple of issues. First of all the feet are neoprene and they said
most waders have a more durable material. Also, their is a patch on the
knee that has come undone, they said that it is single stitched and a
quality wader would be double stitched.



In article ,
Steve Sullivan wrote:

Hi Bill, I took the waders to Fish First in Chico and they suggested I
contact the Colorado Better Business Bureu. Anyone think that would be
worth the effort?


In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Wow,

I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I am so unbelievably depressed and angry at the same time. I feel so
incredibly screwed. I have to get this off my chest.

I do most of my shopping at a local fly shop that will remain
annonymous. The owner is the NICEST guy, who has treated me
*INCREDIBLY*
well (just want to make that clear).

He traded some quality waders for work I did for him (again, I
praise
him for this). The waders were medium king sized (I am a big guy).
The
associate was concerned that they were tight, and said he was
worried
they might bust a seem in the stomach. The owner (this is very
important) said special sized waders would be $100 more and
RECOMMENDED
that I get the medium kings, which is what I did. THE OWNER OF THE
SHOP
RECOMMENDED THAT I GET THE WADERS. These were waders that he had in
the
shop for some time that a customer ordered but never came in to buy.

About 3 months later I started to get leaks in them, and the
material in
the bottom of the feet started wearing out. All the leaks were knee
level or bellow.

I called the manufacturer and they agreed that I could return the
waders
to the store, and that instead of medium kings I needed specially
made
waders. They told me to email them all the pertinent info, they
would
make the waders and charge me $40.

They called the fly shop owner, who told them I insisted on getting
the
waders even tho they told me not to. This was untrue. The associate
most
definitely did say that the waders could tear at the stomach, but
the
owner said that I should get them.

Thus, the manufacturer VOIDED my warranty, and if I want the
specially
made waders I have to pay $270. The fly shop said they will try to
repair the leaks, but I am still without a WARRANTY plus without the
brand new specially sized waders for $40.

The owner IS a really nice guy, but I got screwed so incredibly
hard.

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In article ,
"Bill Kiene" wrote:

Steve,

Who is 'ADG' ?



www.adgfish.com. It is David Ahn's company. I personally like the fly
rod I have from them, the adg titan.

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"daytripper" wrote in message
...

/daytripper (how many lifetimes do you think you get, anyway?)

Since I'm already on my 59th, I would guess, 381.

:-)

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Bill Kiene wrote:
Wow,
I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)
Bill Kiene
Web site: www.kiene.com

For the record, Bill and his employees are about as knowledgable and
friendly a group of tackle peddlers that you will ever meet. Plus it's a
large store with a very extensive inventory.

Mu

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In article
. umich.edu,
Mu Young Lee wrote:

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Bill Kiene wrote:
Wow,
I glad it ws not me.(just for the record)
Bill Kiene
Web site: www.kiene.com

For the record, Bill and his employees are about as knowledgable and
friendly a group of tackle peddlers that you will ever meet. Plus it's a
large store with a very extensive inventory.

I guess I should of got my waders from Bill instead of Tie Fast.

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"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...

I guess I should of got my waders from Bill instead of Tie Fast.

Only if they had your size. Don't settle on anything too small.

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"Hooked" wrote in message
...
"Steve Sullivan" wrote in message
...

I guess I should of got my waders from Bill instead of Tie Fast.

Only if they had your size. Don't settle on anything too small.



Agreed. I got a pair of breathables a few years back that were a bit snug in
the belly because I needed them postehaste, they were half-price, and they
were the only thing in the shop that was close to my size. I was never truly
comfortable wearing them, as I was always concerned about ripping them out
if I ever went down on a knee midstream. Even lacing up my boots was a bit
on the edge. The silver lining was that I got robbed in South Africa, and
with my insurance money I bought (with the assistance of Frank Reid) a very
comfortable pair of breathables that fit a tiny bit large, but with the wide
belt Frank chose for me, I can 'bunch up' the excess fabric and make them
right. Its like the difference between a pair of shoes that are a half-size
too small, and a pair of sandals that are just perfect.

--riverman

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The silver lining was that I got robbed in South Africa, and
with my insurance money I bought (with the assistance of Frank Reid) a very
comfortable pair of breathables that fit a tiny bit large, but with the wide
belt Frank chose for me, I can 'bunch up' the excess fabric and make them
right. Its like the difference between a pair of shoes that are a half-size
too small, and a pair of sandals that are just perfect.

--riverman

Again, they are not kevlar waders. If I'd known you were gonna need
kevlar, I would have taken you down to Ft. Meade and had some custom
ones made up. How goes the shooting?

--
Frank Reid
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"Frank Reid" wrote in message
...
The silver lining was that I got robbed in South Africa, and
with my insurance money I bought (with the assistance of Frank Reid) a
very
comfortable pair of breathables that fit a tiny bit large, but with the
wide
belt Frank chose for me, I can 'bunch up' the excess fabric and make
them
right. Its like the difference between a pair of shoes that are a
half-size
too small, and a pair of sandals that are just perfect.

--riverman

Again, they are not kevlar waders. If I'd known you were gonna need
kevlar, I would have taken you down to Ft. Meade and had some custom
ones made up. How goes the shooting?

--

LOL. The image of me walking around in Kevlar waders during a firefight is
almost as funny as the time I field-tested my new breatables prior to the
Denmark clave by sitting in an ice-cold bathtub for a half hour. Sheesh,
newbies.

The entire coup thing left as quick as it arrived. As of midmorning Saturday
(when I woke up after finally falling asleep at dawn), the fighting was only
taking place downtown in Gombe (the diplomat district) and at the 'beach'
(the dock with Brazzaville). The government troops arrested about 15
insurgents by lunch, and the streets were completely calm by tea time. Of
course, a lot of the insurgents just blended into the crowd. Yesterday was a
completely normal day, and today its like it never happened. Kabila is
having high-level meetings with his VPs, (one of whom was probably behind
the coup) and the military and Kabila are assuring the population that
keeping the peace is their absolute highest priority. About 500 troops are
on full alert. Folks at work (we got a day off) are chatting about how
cool/exciting/scary/bizarre/typical it all was, and how it might mean that
there will be more bumps in the road in the future, but mostly how
incredibly stupid and suicidal the insurgents were to attack a city with
5000 UN troops, 10000 loyalist troops and the focus of the world on it. My
next-door neighbor, who is the senior officer in charge of all UN flights
in/out of the country assured me that my family and I wouldn't have to wait
for an official evacuation notice to get hauled out any time there was real
danger.

--riverman

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"Bill Kiene" wrote in
om:


Also, I don't see any waders other than Simms that are worth buying in
the US. Patagonia is still in the R&D catch-up mode with Simms
especially for fit. We got tired of closing out thousands of dollars
worth of redesigned waders every year that did not fit people well.

Apples to Apples, Bill. Sure, you get what you pay for, but not everyone
can get the top of the line Simms. How do the Freestones compare to the
rest of the $150 market?

Scott

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Bill Kiene" wrote in
om:


Also, I don't see any waders other than Simms that are worth buying in
the US. Patagonia is still in the R&D catch-up mode with Simms
especially for fit. We got tired of closing out thousands of dollars
worth of redesigned waders every year that did not fit people well.

Apples to Apples, Bill. Sure, you get what you pay for, but not everyone
can get the top of the line Simms. How do the Freestones compare to the
rest of the $150 market?

I can't speak for all, but my Freestone waders fit *much* better than the others
(Cabelas, Hodgeman) I've tried.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Scott Seidman wrote:

Apples to Apples, Bill. Sure, you get what you pay for, but not everyone
can get the top of the line Simms. How do the Freestones compare to the
rest of the $150 market?

I purchased the Simms lightweights for $180 in 2003. Considering the
quality, I'd say it was actually rather inexpensive compared to my
previous waders ($130 for Orvis Clearwaters in 2000, and $160 for a pair
of Cabela's breathables back in the 1998).

Mu