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All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike

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"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..

I'm out'a here in about 7 hours. Taking a shortcut......should arrive some
time on Saturday.

Wolfgang

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 19:16:50 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..

I'm out'a here in about 7 hours. Taking a shortcut......should arrive some
time on Saturday.

Wolfgang

Have a safe trip Wolf! Catch lotsa fish! Make Cheesehead Nation
proud!


g.c.

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I'm outta here at 0400 hrs. tomorrow. I'll arrive in Indiana Pa. fish until
1600 Saturday then head for Hemlock Acres. I should arrive sometime between
1900 and 2000 hrs. Saturday night. Somebody get the beer cold!
--
Wayne
To Fish is Human...To Release Divine!

"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
...
All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike

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I'm in late Fri or sometime Sat.

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leaving Saturday AM. Look to arrive early evening...hopefully before dark.

john

"Tim Carter" wrote in message
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I'm in late Fri or sometime Sat.

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"Mike Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote in message
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All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike


I'll miss youse guys. Play nice!
--
Stan Gula

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Left I
Frank

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I'll be at Hemlock tonight. See if Mike will let me crash there so I don't
have to put ut the tent in the dark.
Frank

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"Mike Makela" wrote...
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let's hear an "I" just to get a count..

"I". . .
.. . . wish I could go and join the fun. Have a great time everyone!
--
TL,
Tim
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On 5/13/04 8:00 PM, in article , "Mike
Makela" ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote:

All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike

I leave tomorrow (Saturday) morning.

We going to wet a line together, Mike?

Bill

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I'll be there. Unfortunately, only intermittently.

vince

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Bring olives, you'll be too late for breakfast.

john


john
"Joel Axelrad" wrote in message
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Arrive Hemlock late AM Sun.

Joel Axelrad
**DFD**

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:00:45 -0400, "Mike Makela"
ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote:

All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike


Somebody catch a fish on a streamer then tell me about it, OK?

have a fun one -- I'll be thinking of youse guys as I wing west in a
tin tube so I can sit in stuffy boardrooms and talk about a load of
boring ****.



Peter

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Peter Charles wrote in message . ..
Somebody catch a fish on a streamer then tell me about it, OK?

have a fun one -- I'll be thinking of youse guys as I wing west in a
tin tube so I can sit in stuffy boardrooms and talk about a load of
boring ****.
Peter

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Since trout don't take streamers, some of the smallmouth flotilla may
be catching fish on them. Dave Pa. was talking about going down to
the Big River to fish with streamers (bass I'm sure).

A lot of trout were succumbing to wet flys this trip (with the rain,
most of the flys were wet).

Wayne
to fish is human........to release Divine!!!!

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i caught a nice brown - maybe 14 inches - on a streamer in blue rock
hole. lost 2 huge fish there, one on that brookie streamer you tied and
gave me a few years ago, and one on a huge black leech with a hinge in
its hip and trailing hook. those big ones ate the fly aggressively on
the strip in shortly after the swing, stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away...they broke me off laughingly easy
(5x and 4x tippet). i did a poor job in the play. i'm a believer. mike
told me where the biggest fish holds (on the last night of my fishing, i
might add), so i'm gonna try for him next year.

jeff

Peter Charles wrote:

On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:00:45 -0400, "Mike Makela"
ten.tsacmoc@alekamm wrote:


All right, if you haven't left already for (I think Shaw's already there)
let's hear an "I" just to get a count..
Mike



Somebody catch a fish on a streamer then tell me about it, OK?

have a fun one -- I'll be thinking of youse guys as I wing west in a
tin tube so I can sit in stuffy boardrooms and talk about a load of
boring ****.



Peter

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Jeff Miller wrote:

i caught a nice brown - maybe 14 inches - on a streamer in blue rock
hole. lost 2 huge fish there, one on that brookie streamer you tied and
gave me a few years ago, and one on a huge black leech with a hinge in
its hip and trailing hook. those big ones ate the fly aggressively on
the strip in shortly after the swing, stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away...they broke me off laughingly easy
(5x and 4x tippet). i did a poor job in the play. i'm a believer. mike
told me where the biggest fish holds (on the last night of my fishing, i
might add), so i'm gonna try for him next year.


You're doing a bit better than you did out West when you used 6X tippet
with a streamer, but overall I think you'd be better off using heavier
tippet when fishing streamers.

Willi

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Willi wrote:


You're doing a bit better than you did out West when you used 6X tippet
with a streamer, but overall I think you'd be better off using heavier
tippet when fishing streamers.

lesson learned, advice understood...will comply. i'm simply unprepared
for and unaccustomed to catching big trout. i posted a bunch of penns
creek photos on abpf, including my biggest landed brown...

jeff

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Jeff Miller wrote in message news:SW4sc.4106$zE6.3079@lakeread06...
snipped
stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away

It's what keeps me coming back..

...they broke me off laughingly easy (5x and 4x tippet).

3X in Penn's is the standard. If they won't hit it, it's not worth the
heartbreak..although Roger showed up with some super-duper tippet from
the Northlands, maybe that would work better??

i did a poor job in the play. i'm a believer. mike
told me where the biggest fish holds (on the last night of my fishing, i
might add), so i'm gonna try for him next year.

Had to give him a fighting chance...I did fish that hole on Sunday,
but they were all terrified.. I did happen to hit a hole for 6 fish
on the way out including a 19 incher, but it didn't look as fat as
your big fish..

I do believe an early 16 incher in Mike's run took the prize this year
and kept the incumbent's namesake..


jeff


It was good fishing with you again this year, glad the Great State Of
PA could oblige this time around with the plentiful hatches over many
a risin' fish. See ya in a few weeks.


The Finn.

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Michael Makela wrote:


I do believe an early 16 incher in **jeffie's run** took the prize this year
and kept the incumbent's namesake..

nope...simply won't do. as i said on the dark walk out of the
stream...the last trout hooked on a green drake dry fly the friday night
before the end of the clave, with said trout doing an air ballet before
throwing the hook... THAT determines the name of the run for the year
til next penns clave. and...i believe you will have to agree i've got
the prize this year?


It was good fishing with you again this year, glad the Great State Of
PA could oblige this time around with the plentiful hatches over many
a risin' fish. See ya in a few weeks.

....and, as always it was a humbling and learning experience for me to go
a-fishing with you. praise jesus i didn't tag along with you AND
roger...i mighta figured i'm one of the unblessed and unworthy and
chucked the fishin altogether. it's fun every year up there. thanks to
you, tom, davepa, vince, and the other "pa-ians" for helping me in my
chasin of the great mystery...


jeff (who will give credit that the drake fly was on loan from a former
pretender to jeffie's run)

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"Michael Makela" wrote in message
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Jeff Miller wrote in message
news:SW4sc.4106$zE6.3079@lakeread06...
snipped
stunned me with the viciousness of
the take, then simply turned in a power i've never felt before. had them
on until they decided to zip away

It's what keeps me coming back..

...they broke me off laughingly easy (5x and 4x tippet).

3X in Penn's is the standard. If they won't hit it, it's not worth the
heartbreak..although Roger showed up with some super-duper tippet from
the Northlands, maybe that would work better??



Which brings up a cultural thing that I've noticed (even in my novice
status). The idea of working with the lightest tippet you can get away with
is definately a North American thing. I know there are trade-offs, like the
supposition that fish won't strike if they see the leader, or that a thicker
tippet won't turn over as well so you need lighter tips to improve your
presentation. But those are directly outweighed by the simple fact that a
lighter tippet = more lost fish.

Everywhere else I have fished (Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Estonia, South
Africa, Norway...) the rule of thumb is to use the LARGEST tippet you can
get away with. Whereas a US angler might try a #7, get snapped off and move
to a #6, then a #5 if they continue to get busted, other folks start with a
#2 or #3, then move to a finer tippet if they find that they are being
ignored. And IMLE, they get ignored a lot less than you'd think, so they
usually just stick with the #3.

When I tied on some #7 tippet in front of a Finnish guide, he was amazed as
he had almost never seen tippet that light, although he had heard of it.
Shops hardly stocked it.

--riverman

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I know there are trade-offs, like the supposition that fish won't strike if they see the leader....

Both George Harvey and Vince Marinaro, IIRC, conducted experiments to
demonstrate that it doesn't matter if the fish "see" the leader.

They attached short pieces of very heavy leader to flies, and dropped
them into the water. Fish took them eagerly.

The reason for a fine leader is not that it's hard for the fish to
see, but that it is more flexible and thus less likely to produce
drag.

vince

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Warren writes:
the leader/tippet diffracts the
light in very clear waders and leaves a "shadow" when on the surface
that causes very difficult, educated trout to flee.

we deal with that phenomenon here in the East a lot. Note Roger's comment, in
another thread, about starting to fish dries during the hatches to the good
fish on a downstream drift. Fly first, no leader to spot. Harvey did cite his
study as proving that one seldom needed less than 5X tippet for any trout fly
fishing. Even for midges and tricos he recommended 6X as a minor tactic. I
think he may have been correct, so long as the tippet is out of the trouts
view. Worth noting, the tests mentioned involved beetles, which get grabbed
quickly(and decided upon equally quickly) by most trout. A more deliberately
consumed food item(ex:abundant mayflies)
might produce different data.
Tom

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"Tom Littleton" wrote

.. Even for midges and tricos he recommended 6X as a minor tactic. I
think he may have been correct, so long as the tippet is out of the trouts
view. Worth noting, the tests mentioned involved beetles, which get
grabbed
quickly(and decided upon equally quickly) by most trout. A more
deliberately
consumed food item(ex:abundant mayflies)
might produce different data.
Tom

this is a matter that i would have taken up with you, had i been
fortunate enough to have the time to appear at penns. there are several
trusted sources concerning the use of beetles and ants as killer terrestial
patterns for our high country trout. in my, um, several years on the
streams in tons, my experience has not matched the literature. the most
successful patterns throughout my life have been either stimulators (in
either yellow, orange, or royal wulff ties), yellow humpies, adams (either
paras or white winged adams, locally called "thunderheads"), or royal
wulffs. and i am taking into consideration the late summer and early fall
months.

maybe i have'nt been patient enough...maybe i don't see them as well,
and thus don't use them as often as i should... but they just don't ring my
bell (or the trout's bell)

as my buddy from pitt county often reminds us, i suppose this is all
part of "the great mystery".

yfitons
wayno

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wayno, regarding terrestrials, notes:
maybe i have'nt been patient enough...maybe i don't see them as well,
and thus don't use them as often as i should... but they just don't ring my
bell (or the trout's bell)

FWIW, I took a Fishing Creek brown from the head of Uncle Tom's pool on a black
ant, fishing at a length of no more than 12 feet. Maybe NC mountain trout
acquire different tastes, or see different bugs.
You are right, they can be darned hard to see, but you KNOW where they are,
right?
Tom
p.s. Give me a Green Drake on a 10 4xl
Hook anyday, but ants and beetles
have their days.

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
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wayno, regarding terrestrials, notes:
maybe i have'nt been patient enough...maybe i don't see them as well,
and thus don't use them as often as i should... but they just don't ring
my
bell (or the trout's bell)

FWIW, I took a Fishing Creek brown from the head of Uncle Tom's pool on a
black
ant, fishing at a length of no more than 12 feet. Maybe NC mountain trout
acquire different tastes, or see different bugs.
You are right, they can be darned hard to see, but you KNOW where they
are,
right?
Tom
p.s. Give me a Green Drake on a 10 4xl
Hook anyday, but ants and beetles
have their days.

before i let this opportunity slip away, i must say that you might ought
to get your large, gangly ass down to the old north state for a taste of
high country fishing, which will be a little more like hunting than
fishing... having said that, my bet is that you could come up with a match
the hatch proposition for even the most sterile of our waters.

you owe us at least one trip down this way.

yfitons
wayno

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I am curious, did they mention anything about the "shadow" cast from
a piece of leader? ....

It's been a long time, Warren, and I seem to be getting more senile
every day, but I don't think so.

If so, do you know the name of the book or article so that I can read it?

I believe Harvey's discussion is in his book _Techniques of Trout
Fishing and Fly Tying_.

Marinaro's, IIRC, is in either _Modern Dry Fy Code_ or _In the Ring of
the Rise_. More likely in the latter, I think.

I'm going out of town for the weekend. When I get back, if no one
else has provided the answer, I'll try to find the references.

vince

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If so, do you know the name of the book or article so that I can read it?

I should have added that those three books are well worth reading in
any case, Warren. Both Harvey and Marinaro made significant
contributions to our knowledge of trout fishing.

vince

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It's been a long time, Warren, and I seem to be getting more senile
every day,

Senility is great. You meet a lot of new friends every day,

Lou T

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