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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
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It didn't take long, did it -





Here's another good one.

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero...erreurs_en.htm

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Lazarus Cooke wrote:

My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Is Alice a dittohead?

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My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Lazarus

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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote...

My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

In a big way. That's all you can hear or see on the news right now.
--
TL,
Tim
(. . . and your cousin should consider moving to a better neighborhood.)
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Tim J. wrote:

Okay, one Republican comment I can ignore, but youze guys are way out of line. I
would venture to say that 99.something percent of Rs think the goings on in the
prison(s) were atrocities and should be fully investigated to get to the parties
responsible. The fact that there are a few loud idiots out there representing
the other .something percent doesn't make the majority a bunch of mental
midgets. I mean, I certainly don't blame all the liberals out there for what
*Ken* says. ;-)


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On Fri, 14 May 2004 20:53:56 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:


My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Not if she lives in a Republican neighborhood.
--
Charlie...

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Lazarus Cooke wrote:
In article , rw
wrote:


Lazarus Cooke wrote:


My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Is Alice a dittohead?


I said that her neighbours felt this, not that she did.

Well, she must be looking at some pretty strange journalism, because
this has been the biggest story in the US for two weeks.

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In article , rw
wrote:

Lazarus Cooke wrote:

My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Is Alice a dittohead?

I said that her neighbours felt this, not that she did.

L

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rw wrote in news:40a5492d$0$21819
:

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
In article , rw
wrote:


Lazarus Cooke wrote:


My cousin Alice in Colorado tells me that there hasn't been much
reaction to the prison photos in the states - they were buried on page
23 or something, and most of her neighbours feel that while what was
done wasn't really right, still it serves the dam Irakis right for
bombing the twin towers.

Is she exaggerating?

Is Alice a dittohead?


I said that her neighbours felt this, not that she did.

Well, she must be looking at some pretty strange journalism, because
this has been the biggest story in the US for two weeks.


And Congress won't drop it either. It's getting worse and worse--
apparently, some of this stuff is just SOP-- written into the Rules of
Engagement by Nasty Sanchez. With a stroke of his pen, he does away with
the Geneva Convention. Rumsfeld says this is OK, and not against the
Convention, because they bounced it off Pentagon Lawyers!

Damn-- not even the Nixon Administration did whatever the hell they wanted
to do. These guys don't even make a pretense toward caring what people
think of them.

Scott

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
rw wrote in news:40a5492d$0$21819
:

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
In article , rw
wrote:


Lazarus Cooke wrote:




And Congress won't drop it either. It's getting worse and worse--
apparently, some of this stuff is just SOP-- written into the Rules of
Engagement by Nasty Sanchez. With a stroke of his pen, he does away with
the Geneva Convention. Rumsfeld says this is OK, and not against the
Convention, because they bounced it off Pentagon Lawyers!

Damn-- not even the Nixon Administration did whatever the hell they wanted
to do. These guys don't even make a pretense toward caring what people
think of them.

Scott

case in point:
james inhofe's remarks at the 5-11-04 senate armed services hearing;
see if ya'll can stomach this;

"...they're not there for traffic violations........many of them probably
have american blood on their hands......and here we are concerned about the
treatment of those prisoners..."

meanwhile, the american red cross believes that at least 70% of those
prisoners were rounded up in error. this according to this evening's
broadcast of all things considered on npr.

snakefiddler

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On Fri, 14 May 2004 20:23:40 -0400, "snakefiddler"
wrote:

case in point:
james inhofe's remarks at the 5-11-04 senate armed services hearing;
see if ya'll can stomach this;

"...they're not there for traffic violations........many of them probably
have american blood on their hands......and here we are concerned about the
treatment of those prisoners..."

A too common sentiment around here is that the prisoners are all
terrorists and are getting treated better than the people they killed
in the WTC.
--
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Charlie Choc wrote:

A too common sentiment around here is that the prisoners are all
terrorists and are getting treated better than the people they killed
in the WTC.

Yep, what you're hearing there in your little slice of Georgia sounds
identical to what I'm hearing here in rural Illinois.

(I think Timmmay must be one of them republican elites. ;-)

--
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Charlie Choc wrote:

A too common sentiment around here is that the prisoners are all
terrorists and are getting treated better than the people they killed
in the WTC.

Yep, what you're hearing there in your little slice of Georgia sounds
identical to what I'm hearing here in rural Illinois.

(I think Timmmay must be one of them republican elites. ;-)

Not really, although I like the sound of "elite". :) I just don't fall
[OBROFF] hook, line, and sinker for the media's craze for sensationalized
comments. That goes for the fringe on either side of the issue. What would be in
it for the media if they were to print headlines like "Most People on Both Sides
Agree". How bland is that?!

What I fear is that these sensational headlines are what's being published
abroad for people like our friend Lazarus to judge the American public, and I
don't think they paint a fair picture. I know he said the comment came from a
cousin, but her take may be tainted as well, maybe by talk shows like Rush who
thrive on controversy. Besides, no upstanding Republican would open the gates to
their closed, upscale communities letting the riff-raff in to hear the comments
in the first place. ;-)
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Tim J. wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote:

A too common sentiment around here is that the prisoners are all
terrorists and are getting treated better than the people they killed
in the WTC.

Yep, what you're hearing there in your little slice of Georgia sounds
identical to what I'm hearing here in rural Illinois.

(I think Timmmay must be one of them republican elites. ;-)

Not really, although I like the sound of "elite". :) I just don't fall
[OBROFF] hook, line, and sinker for the media's craze for sensationalized
comments. snip

Media ? I'm not hearing that sentiment from the media. I'm hearing
it from the plumber who fixed my mother-in-law's kitchen faucet the
other day, the roofers who are putting on a roof next door, the guy
who mows the lawn at my mother-in-law's condo and the guys sitting
on the bar stool next to me when I have a beer while waiting on a
couple of fish sandwiches at the American Legion on Friday evenings.
You know, working class guys.

Limbaugh is not what I call "news media", he's entertainment, but
go back and read some of Cal Thomas' recent columns, if you can
stomach it, to get an idea of what's passing for "mainstream
conservative" thought on this issue.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 10:03:14 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:
I know he said the comment came from a

cousin, but her take may be tainted as well, maybe by talk shows like Rush who
thrive on controversy. Besides, no upstanding Republican would open the gates to
their closed, upscale communities letting the riff-raff in to hear the comments
in the first place. ;-)

Believe what you want, but I live in a very conservative district (we
sent Newt to congress and continue to send any Republican that can win
the primary there since he quit) and that's where my comment came from
- inside the gates as it were.
--
Charlie...

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Greg Pavlov wrote:

And it's also the case that they
tend to try to direct the blame at "a small handful
of soldiers" rather than facing up to the reality that
this administration has set the tone and policies that
have encouraged and abetted this behavior.

Nope. It's Clinton's fault. Don't you remember? He set the low moral
tone. :-)

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In article , Charlie Choc
wrote:


A too common sentiment around here is that the prisoners are all
terrorists and are getting treated better than the people they killed
in the WTC.

thank you charlie. This seems to prove my cousin alice's point.

L

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...

snip
and the guys sitting
on the bar stool next to me when I have a beer while waiting on a
couple of fish sandwiches at the American Legion on Friday evenings.
snip
Ken Fortenberry


Ken in an American Legion Hall?????


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La, Grande, OR

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Ken in an American Legion Hall?????
Bob Weinberger

I had the same thought. But, then, Maslow would have predicted food and
drink would conquer other heirarchies.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
and the guys sitting
on the bar stool next to me when I have a beer while waiting on a
couple of fish sandwiches at the American Legion on Friday evenings.

Ken in an American Legion Hall?????

Yeah, on Fridays, politics is less important than a perfectly
fried piece of fish. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry- and besides, I'm fluent in redneck ;-)

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Bob Weinberger wrote:

Ken in an American Legion Hall?????

Yeah, on Fridays, politics is less important than a perfectly
fried piece of fish. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry- and besides, I'm fluent in redneck ;-)

Well, your base urges must be considerably stronger than mine. For instance,
in a somewhat parallel vein: no matter how hot the chicks. I couldn't even
imagine my seeking sex at a meeting of Earth First! - no matter what day of
the week it was.


--
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La, Grande, OR

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Bob Weinberger wrote:

... For instance,
in a somewhat parallel vein: no matter how hot the chicks. I couldn't even
imagine my seeking sex at a meeting of Earth First! - no matter what day of
the week it was.

Yeah, I've never tried Viagra either.

--
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Yeah, I've never tried Viagra either.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ah, so its true that people from Illinois follow Mike Ditka's
recommendation and use Levitra instead.


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

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In article , Tim J.
wrote:

What I fear is that these sensational headlines are what's being published
abroad for people like our friend Lazarus to judge the American public, and I
don't think they paint a fair picture.

a) Would it be better if they weren't published abroad.

b) What's unfair about the picture?

I'm originally American myself, by the way, though living in London.

Lazarus

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In article , Greg Pavlov
wrote:

And it's also the case that they
tend to try to direct the blame at "a small handful
of soldiers" rather than facing up to the reality that
this administration has set the tone and policies that
have encouraged and abetted this behavior.

This is what I find a bit weird. We've known that this sort of thing
has been going on in Guantanamo. Why could anyone be surprised that
it's happening in Irak?

L

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Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Yeah, I've never tried Viagra either.

Ah, so its true that people from Illinois follow Mike Ditka's
recommendation and use Levitra instead.

If I was gonna put the moves on anything female down at the Legion
Hall I'd need to have Levitra, Viagra and big handful of LSD. ;-)

But they make a real good fish sandwich.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote...
Tim J. wrote:

What I fear is that these sensational headlines are what's being published
abroad for people like our friend Lazarus to judge the American public, and
I
don't think they paint a fair picture.

a) Would it be better if they weren't published abroad.

If you're talking about the ones (which we were) that imply 90%+ of Americans
are hooting and hollering and shouting "Them 'Raqi's deserve what they get!",
then yes. They just aren't true.

b) What's unfair about the picture?

Which ones? The ones that were staged for the London papers from some other
country, or the real photos from the prison? There's nothing unfair about the
real ones.

Oh, . . . you mean the picture painted by the press that Republicans are
dancing in the streets celebrating the abuse of prisoners? Yeah, that one is
definitely unfair and untrue. They were shameful acts that cannot be condoned by
any right[sic]-thinking person.

I'm originally American myself, by the way, though living in London.

All the more important you understand that most conservative Americans do *not*
fit the mold your cousin described.

Well, I placed my sorry ass right in the middle of another one of these no-win
political debacles on a fly fishing forum where I get to say, EOT for me.
--
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 13:31:35 GMT, "Tim J."
wrote:

If you're talking about the ones (which we were) that imply 90%+ of Americans
are hooting and hollering and shouting "Them 'Raqi's deserve what they get!",
then yes. They just aren't true.

Who said 90% were hooting and hollering (other than you just now)?
--
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JR wrote:

In the long run, by essentially telling the rest of the world that we
think we can do whatever we please (legal or not), and that we don't
need allies, Bush and his neo-con cronies may well have done more damage
to the U.S., and more endangered its long-term security, than Al Qaeda
ever dreamed of doing.

That is an excellent point, JR. Bravo.

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In article X2Kpc.58853$z06.8203328@attbi_s01, Tim J.
wrote:

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote...
Tim J. wrote:

What I fear is that these sensational headlines are what's being published
abroad for people like our friend Lazarus to judge the American public,
and
I
don't think they paint a fair picture.

a) Would it be better if they weren't published abroad.

If you're talking about the ones (which we were) that imply 90%+ of Americans
are hooting and hollering and shouting "Them 'Raqi's deserve what they get!",
then yes. They just aren't true.

b) What's unfair about the picture?

Which ones? The ones that were staged for the London papers from some other
country, or the real photos from the prison? There's nothing unfair about the
real ones.

That's grand, and I agree. It was right to publish the pictures from
the prison. For god's sake, if any country stands for publishing the
truth, no mattter how unpleasant, it should be the uS. If we can't do
that, we're no good for anything at all.

for the English pictures, I think the editor had to make a decsion, and
made one on good faith. As I understand it, the fact is that the Brits
*have* been mistreating prisoners, but the pictures may have been
faked. At least he had the bottle to go ahead and publish something he
felt was in the public interest even though it would embarrass his
government. My understanding is that CBS waited a long, long time
before publishing, and nearly caved in to pressure.

To be honest, Republican or Democrat should not come into this. I would
hate to think that "Republican" means "concealing the truth if it's
inconvenient for the current Republican President"


Well, I placed my sorry ass right in the middle of another one of these no-win
political debacles on a fly fishing forum where I get to say, EOT for me.

I know, I know. I too would much rather be fishing than worrying about
all this.

L

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
.com:

Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Yeah, I've never tried Viagra either.

Ah, so its true that people from Illinois follow Mike Ditka's
recommendation and use Levitra instead.

If I was gonna put the moves on anything female down at the Legion
Hall I'd need to have Levitra, Viagra and big handful of LSD. ;-)

But they make a real good fish sandwich.


Sounds like any VFW I've ever been in.

But IMHO you'd be undermedicated

Flyfish