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Steve,
You don't say where you live now. I live in Northern Illinois, and fly fish for everything that swims around here, which doesn't include many trout. For the past 3 years, my largest bass of the year has come on the fly rod. There are quite a few active fly rodders around here, but not as many as use other methods. I do tend to use heavy hardware a lot, but always have the fly rod handy when I go out. On many a trip, the fly rod out produces the flippin' stick, though I don't tend to throw 3X tippet into tree tops very often. I actually got into fly fishing to target largemouth and smallies. A 4 pounder on a 5 wt is a blast! I don't target them with the fly rod, but have caught a couple of walleye, one on a streamer, the other on a crawfish pattern. Don't give up the long rod, but you may have to buy a baitcaster if you want to get invited to go fishing very often. If you're a loaner, just show them your fish and tell the skeptics to shut up. Mark --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.687 / Virus Database: 448 - Release Date: 5/16/2004 |
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I should have better introduced myself in the original post, thanks for
the responses so far, keep them coming I have fished all over the world during my military career and really found a passion for fly fishing. I believe a fly rodder can out fish a bait caster in shallow water anytime. I believe we just have to learn how and for me that's the fun and challenge. First of all let me tell you that I live in Florida on Lake Istopokga, a great bass lake and about 45 minutes from Lake Okeechobee. I have hundreds of smaller bodies of water within minutes. I do not have a boat so I have been focusing on the smaller bodies of water and canals. I use a 6 and 8 wt set-up and poppers seem to be my mainstay. I use clousers and deceivers but algae really fouls up wet flies. I think the biggest problem is culture shock, coming from pristine creeks and the tiniest of flies and leaders to these huge monstrosities is almost like learning to fly fish again. I have learned that there is very little written on fly fishing for Bass and what is, seems to be basic and mainly focus at small mouth in gin clear streams. The books written seem to be trout fishing technique thats super-sized, but I have learned that largemouth fishing in still water it really is a different style of fishing. The weeds algae and in many cases along the shores competing with big old oak trees. My biggest problem is casting. The wind can be a real bother when I am throwing a # 4 popper. With a back wind the popper sails but when it is in my face I get no distance. I like to fish for Bass, big bass are not a must but would be nice. I land 1 - 3 lbs as normal I haven't weighed any but a 3 1/2 is probably the largest I have landed. I don't mind bluegill or crappie either but algae keeps me throwing poppers and for bluegill it's O.K. but crappie don't hit them. I have no local fly shops and the closest is about an hour drive. We have no fly clubs and the local bass club does not allow fly rods in tournaments. It's just a whole different animal fly fishing in central Florida compared an outfitter on every corner and clubs sponsoring clinics every weekend in Montana and Utah. The coast offers opportunities but it is hard to find time to regularly visit. Suggestions on equipment, casting and fly suggestions would be a great start. |
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Well, I've been down this road on a little bet with some NC scoundrels
who waxed me good -- however, the fact that I was accompanied by one of the said scoundrels might have influenced the results. Largemouth feed on insects and often quite voraciously. We should consider fishing for them as fly fishermen as well as ersatz gear fishermen equipped with feathers. Leeches, dragonflies, damselflies, and small streamers should all work fine. Standard bassbugs also work but wind will defeat them unless . . . Standard streamers work just fine (Deceivers or Clousers anyone?) About gear, well, I'm shying away from single handed rods in almost any situation where distance and wind is on the menu. I can cast farther and with less effort using a two-hander. For largemouth, it's often necessary to cast far over lillypads to get at the best lunkers. I kept thinking while in NC, that if I had brought one of my two handers with me, I could've sailed casts well into the salad, through the wind, then used the long rod to keep the fly skipping across the top of the pads and the fly line off of the salad. My Loop 8/9 tosses a 35' Airflo 12 wt. shooting head over 100' on an overhead cast and it can cast short as well. There isn't a bassbug in existence that it can't cast. Nothing beats a two-hander for covering water. On Monday, I'm going to hit the Grand for dropback steelies, resident bows and browns, smallies, or whatever hits the fly, using my Loop 7/8. A few weeks back, I was whacking monster smallies using a big Daiwa, while after steelhead. In all cases, I'm covering a lot of water. There was damn near a gale blowing hen I was using the Daiwa and I could still fish. Some of the smallies were taken in water that was about 10' deep. It's time to think a bit out of the box . . . Peter |
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Hi Steve,
I have a small vacation home in Sebastian, FL now that is about 2 hours from you. You might put a WF9F 3M Mastery Bass line on you 8 weight rod and then put on a Rio 7 1/2' 2x leader . This should help your 'bass bug/popper' casting some. For small poppers you could put a WF7F Bass line on you 6 weight rod. Seems like the winter months is the big bass time in Florida? -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "Steve Nyhan" wrote in message link.net... I should have better introduced myself in the original post, thanks for the responses so far, keep them coming I have fished all over the world during my military career and really found a passion for fly fishing. I believe a fly rodder can out fish a bait caster in shallow water anytime. I believe we just have to learn how and for me that's the fun and challenge. First of all let me tell you that I live in Florida on Lake Istopokga, a great bass lake and about 45 minutes from Lake Okeechobee. I have hundreds of smaller bodies of water within minutes. I do not have a boat so I have been focusing on the smaller bodies of water and canals. I use a 6 and 8 wt set-up and poppers seem to be my mainstay. I use clousers and deceivers but algae really fouls up wet flies. I think the biggest problem is culture shock, coming from pristine creeks and the tiniest of flies and leaders to these huge monstrosities is almost like learning to fly fish again. I have learned that there is very little written on fly fishing for Bass and what is, seems to be basic and mainly focus at small mouth in gin clear streams. The books written seem to be trout fishing technique thats super-sized, but I have learned that largemouth fishing in still water it really is a different style of fishing. The weeds algae and in many cases along the shores competing with big old oak trees. My biggest problem is casting. The wind can be a real bother when I am throwing a # 4 popper. With a back wind the popper sails but when it is in my face I get no distance. I like to fish for Bass, big bass are not a must but would be nice. I land 1 - 3 lbs as normal I haven't weighed any but a 3 1/2 is probably the largest I have landed. I don't mind bluegill or crappie either but algae keeps me throwing poppers and for bluegill it's O.K. but crappie don't hit them. I have no local fly shops and the closest is about an hour drive. We have no fly clubs and the local bass club does not allow fly rods in tournaments. It's just a whole different animal fly fishing in central Florida compared an outfitter on every corner and clubs sponsoring clinics every weekend in Montana and Utah. The coast offers opportunities but it is hard to find time to regularly visit. Suggestions on equipment, casting and fly suggestions would be a great start. |
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message om... It's time to think a bit out of the box . . . Peter Warren, myself, and my son in law all fished Coeur d'Alene this past weekend for bass/pike. about the only thing different between us and the gearheads is that we had a pile of line around our feet/ rod holders/ motors/ cleats/anchors/tackle boxes, and the gear guys do something totally silly like wind all the line up onto their reels after EVERY cast. otherwise pretty much the same thing- oh, that and our leach patterns were made of dyed rabbit fur instead of good ole' amurican plastic. jh |
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My thoughts exactly,
I do want to continue to thank all the great responses that I have received |
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Steve wrote:I do want to continue to thank all the great responses that I have
received I am surprised that no one has mentioned any of the three editions of Tom Nixon's classic book Fly Tying and Fly Fishing For Bass And Panfish. Some may consider it dated, but you must remember that the reason fly fishing is banned from B.A.S.S. competition is that he beat them at their own game one day on Toledo Bend when they could not boat a fish and he caught them all day long Sadly, Tom passed away a little over a year ago, and I lost a true friend and so did those who fly fish for bass. I prefer the second edition of his book. You might find a copy on ebay, but I suggest you contact Walt Winter at EZflyfish.com or Wilson Creek Outfitters to see if he has a copy. Big Dale |
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I'll look on ebay thanks
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Big Dale,
I have looked at the book by Tom Nixon and thought it was great, I will look for my own copy. Thanks for the info PS Tell me more about how Tom Nixon outfished the Bassmasters on a fly rod. I looked on the internet and on several sites and I can't find anything about it. I sure would like to use it as a weapon when these local gearheads laugh at me for sticking with the long rod. Steve Sebring, FL |
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i love spincasting topwater lures for bass...it's every bit as exciting
and fun as flyfishing for trout imo. i have tried the flyfishing for bass thing... in the places i fish, it is always frustrating and that detracts from the fun for me. forget the crowd... find the sporting niche in bass fishing that suits your fishing. i've never found a fly rod to be the sole or most important factor in my enjoyment of the sport of tricking a fish to take a topwater lure. i usually take flyfishing gear along when bass fishing, but it's not my preferred tackle in that venue. jeff Steve wrote: I love fly fishing and live in an outstanding area for bass fishing. I moved here from Utah and learned to fly fish in Montana. I was raised spin and plugcasting in upstate NY. I am really struggling keep my focus on fly fishing because of lack of other anglers in my area. I am also having trouble learning to tie and use these huge flies and casting with the wind has been a whole new experiance. Any suggestions any other spring creek tranfers. Everyone tells me to just return to baitcasting and fall in with the crowd, but it just isn't the same excitement anymore. |
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Steve Nyhan wrote: ... I believe a fly rodder can out fish a bait caster in shallow water anytime. deja vu!! (eh, petah?) 6-8 weight rod, bass leaders, big popping bugs in various colors... hula poppers, dixie devils, worm/leech ties, etc. fish edges and holes in lilly pads, fish the drop offs. and...a good baitcaster or spin fisherman will kick your butt everytime, shallow or deep water... that's my opinion. jeff |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:47:12 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: Steve Nyhan wrote: ... I believe a fly rodder can out fish a bait caster in shallow water anytime. deja vu!! (eh, petah?) 6-8 weight rod, bass leaders, big popping bugs in various colors... hula poppers, dixie devils, worm/leech ties, etc. fish edges and holes in lilly pads, fish the drop offs. and...a good baitcaster or spin fisherman will kick your butt everytime, shallow or deep water... that's my opinion. jeff ya, ya, ya -- that's why I said the fly rodder has to think out of the box. If you're gonna fish like a baitcaster, take a baitcaster. PJ would cast into the salad and rip the worm across the top. A short (9 footer) fly rod wouldn't be able to cast as far nor keep the fly line out of the salad. I spent a lot of time casting to fish that weren't home, fishing the cold, empty shallows. The wind played merry hell with the lighter line but it was of no concern to PJ's baitcaster. I didn't play to the strengths of the fly rod that day. Give the weather we had, the fish weren't going to be in the shallows until the temperature rose. They weren't going to be moving too fast either. They were either in deeper water or under the salad that probably acted like an insulating blanket for that water. I bet the temps under the salad were one or two degrees warmer than the open shallows. I should've been fishing the canals like a UK stillwater angler, dropping damselflies and dragonflies into the canels and retrieving them very slowly along the bottom. Would've driven PJ nuts as I took the better part of five minutes to retrieve a single cast, but that in of itself would've made the day interesting. :)) If I ever went back, I'd take a two-hander, blast casts 90' to 100' down the length of the canals using a shooting head, then slowly retrieve a team of flies along its length. Don't think I wouldn't pick up a few? The interesting thinks about models, is that far more people follow existing ones rather than use their brains and a bit of moral courage to try and forge new ones. Fly fishing for largemouth exactly like a gear chucker is a losing propostion in my books. IIRC, we had a similar discussion before I left for NC. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:in6sc.4324$zE6.5@lakeread06... Steve Nyhan wrote: ... I believe a fly rodder can out fish a bait caster in shallow water anytime. deja vu!! (eh, petah?) 6-8 weight rod, bass leaders, big popping bugs in various colors... hula poppers, dixie devils, worm/leech ties, etc. fish edges and holes in lilly pads, fish the drop offs. and...a good baitcaster or spin fisherman will kick your butt everytime, shallow or deep water... that's my opinion. jeff Hi, Jeff - Recently in SouthWestern Nova Scotia, where there is excellent smallie fishing, several tournamnets have been won by fly rodders!!! Bill http://www.tightlines.ca |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004, Peter Charles wrote:
Would've driven PJ nuts as I took the better part of five minutes to retrieve a single cast, but that in of itself would've made the day interesting. Yeah, I've done the fly fishing thing quite a bit side by side with hardware and bait *******. It's not very productive because there are differing boat handling requirements that are suited to the different methods. Mu |
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bill - no kidding? but, i thought we were talking about warmwater
fishing for largemouth... still, i have no doubt a good flyfisherman will do well, and even on occasions catch more...i just believe, day in and day out, a good spin or baitcaster will catch more largemouth. during our smallmouth float on penns, wolfgang - who is a much better fisherman than i - caught more small smallies on the flyrod than i did on a spinning rod...but i caught almost as many as he did, and i definitely caught the largest of the smallies that day. jeff Bill Curry wrote: Hi, Jeff - Recently in SouthWestern Nova Scotia, where there is excellent smallie fishing, several tournamnets have been won by fly rodders!!! Bill http://www.tightlines.ca |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Eclsc.7558$zE6.6723@lakeread06... bill - no kidding? but, i thought we were talking about warmwater fishing for largemouth... still, i have no doubt a good flyfisherman will do well, and even on occasions catch more...i just believe, day in and day out, a good spin or baitcaster will catch more largemouth. during our smallmouth float on penns, wolfgang - who is a much better fisherman than i - caught more small smallies on the flyrod than i did on a spinning rod...but i caught almost as many as he did, and i definitely caught the largest of the smallies that day. Not sure that's true. I caught only four smallmouth. Rock bass were another story altogether......got over a dozen of those. I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, but I think it would be a sucker bet for largemouth. Wolfgang |
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This is also not a fair assessment. Flyfishing requires stealth and if
you are fishing with someone who is pitching hardware the fish will become far more suspicious and go back in cover. This is the reason crankbaits work so effective the splash may cause them to retreat but the bead sound causes them to attack. The same goes with a good worm fishermen the fish feel more comfortable in deep cover attacking even if they are suspicious. The flyrodder relies on stealth to bring the bass to his popper which causes comotion that is suppose to resemble a natural behavior. Hardware fishing will try to envoke an anger strike (most of the time) and have the bass throw caution to the wind. A flyrodder tries to resemble a natural prey and have him attack prey. You can't really fish next to a hardware fishermen in the same boat and expect to consistently win. Flyfishing and baitcasting are two entirely different styles of angling. You cannot be an effective flyrod basser using baitcasting techniques just as you cannot be an effective baitcast angler using flyrod techniques. They are not the same. Tha is my point and the reson why I feel so many bass flyrodders are not as successful. They are trying to use the same technique as the baitcaster with a flyrod. It's the same as comparing an artificial angler to a live bait fishermen. Steve Sebring, FL |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:51:47 GMT, Steve
wrote: [snipper-rooney] Steve Sebring, FL I think I said that somewhere around here, once or twice before. Use your flyrod like a baitcaster and the baitcasting guy will whup your ass every time. Use it the way Nature intended and it'll be a different story. My point about models is that we fly guys persist in using the baitcaster model when we go after LM and lake living SM. Time for a better one. Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Peter Charles,
I most whole heartily agree Steve |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Eclsc.7558$zE6.6723@lakeread06... bill - no kidding? but, i thought we were talking about warmwater fishing for largemouth... still, i have no doubt a good flyfisherman will do well, and even on occasions catch more...i just believe, day in and day out, a good spin or baitcaster will catch more largemouth. during our smallmouth float on penns, wolfgang - who is a much better fisherman than i - caught more small smallies on the flyrod than i did on a spinning rod...but i caught almost as many as he did, and i definitely caught the largest of the smallies that day. jeff Bill Curry wrote: Hi, Jeff - Recently in SouthWestern Nova Scotia, where there is excellent smallie fishing, several tournamnets have been won by fly rodders!!! Bill http://www.tightlines.ca Hi, There are no largemouth in Nova Scotia, so my experience with them is rather limited - only on "out of Province" excursions, and even then I tend to target trout, not bass, I must admit. My point was simply that in tournament conditions up here, where presumably one would be using the "best" method for catching the biggest and most smallmouth, many people are now choosing to use fly fishing gear. I do not participate in tournaments, preferring to fish on my own or I am out with sports. Tournaments aside, there are many locations in the Province which are, I believe, better suited for fly fishing for smallies than for using hardware - for one thing the lakes which get the most pressure, although admittedly up here the pressure is much less than is likely to be seen below the border, hold shallow water opportunities for a fly rodder in a canoe simply because you can go where the bass boats don't. I would also say that smallie fishing is a relatively new thing up here, and so we are all learning - but one thing I've learned is that the TV show methods certainly do not hold up for what we can do here. I can wade or use a canoe (and soon will have a float tube to try) and catch all kinds of bass in places where the trailed boat with all the gear (and weight) can't get in. We also catch some very large bass, as big as I hear others catching, on a fly rod - although I have never tried a direct "you fish with spinning gear, I'll use fly rod" comparison. Largemouth, it would appear from others comments, would be different? Bill http://www.tightlines.ca |
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Wolfgang wrote: Not sure that's true. I caught only four smallmouth. Rock bass were another story altogether......got over a dozen of those. well then...somebody owes me 5 bucks. g i did catch more than 4 smallies, and i definitely caught the biggest one. did anybody catch more than 8 smallmouth? those little rock bass (?) looked like bug-eyed water rodents to me...hmmm... I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, but I think it would be a sucker bet for largemouth. well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. jeff |
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Willi,
My whole point and logic is this, A bait fisher will usally kill an artificial angler on any given day. The flyfisher imitates the natural better than most hardware. I learned to flyfish trout, since I moved to florida I began to flyfish bass. I have fished many times with friends who are spin and baitcasters, and pulled them in equal to or better than a hardware angler. I have had my share of bad days. If I always was better than everyone else I would be on the tournament trail fishing ultra light weighted flies and streamers. The lesson that I learned was that you I had to go back to my roots and use the techniques of dry fly and wet fly that I used in Montana, but the flies and poppers of LM Bass anglers in Florida and not try to imitate the gearhead. This has been real hard for me because most of sources for bass fishermen is written from a gearhead perspective. I am also compelled to bass fish as I read in magazines and see on television which are predominately hardware fishermen throwing a fly rod. I never thought of floating a popper like a dry fly using the waves the same way current carries a dry fly. John Lindsey (see his post on ROFF) and I have had several conversations and he recognized and made me realize what I was doing wrong and tonight I just nailed one of my biggest pond bass (appox 3 acre) close to 5 pounds. Between him and other posters like big dale and Peter charles I returned to my flyfishing roots and it worked. To be a flyrod basser we really need to leave baitcasting techniques behind us and use good flyfish tactics with the long rod. A wormfishermen and a crankbait fishermen use two entirely different presentations, retrieves, and equipment, why are we trying to use our equipment to mimic their technique when they can't even do it. I can't answer why the fish were hitting buzzbait and leaving your fly. Where you fishing a popper or a mouse? slow or fast? anything could have been the reason were you fishing close to him or after he left. Maybe you were just having a bad day, it happens. Just like the old saying: If you caught a fish with every cast they would call it catching. Steve Sebring, FL |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Uyusc.9005$zE6.2964@lakeread06... Wolfgang wrote: Not sure that's true. I caught only four smallmouth. Rock bass were another story altogether......got over a dozen of those. well then...somebody owes me 5 bucks. g i did catch more than 4 smallies, and i definitely caught the biggest one. did anybody catch more than 8 smallmouth? those little rock bass (?) looked like bug-eyed water rodents to me...hmmm... I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, but I think it would be a sucker bet for largemouth. well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. Hm......shoreline?......for smallmouth? I got a six pack, a dog, and a woman........you? Wolfgang and god help me if either of the latter ever sees this. :( |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message link.net... Willi, My whole point and logic is this, A bait fisher will usally kill an artificial angler on any given day. um, no offense, steve, but i will take either jeffie or pamlico jim roberts (depending on who had more or less to drink the night before; if jim had more to drink, i will take him) and let you haul in lefty kreh, or steve barnard, and put them in any ****ing pond or impoundment in all of north carolina, fishing for bass, and i will pay you a c-note for each of the flyboys fish, if you will pay me for each of the others fishes. deal? I haven't flyfished for bass since I was a teenager, which was a LONG time ago. Sucker bet. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote wolfy submitted that: I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, but I think it would be a sucker bet for largemouth. jeffie responded: well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. jeff uh, jeffie, could i put, say, a couple hundred on the spinner with a chartruese twister? yfitp wayno (not that i would take advantage of a cheesehead, or anything) |
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"Steve" wrote in message link.net... Willi, My whole point and logic is this, A bait fisher will usally kill an artificial angler on any given day. um, no offense, steve, but i will take either jeffie or pamlico jim roberts (depending on who had more or less to drink the night before; if jim had more to drink, i will take him) and let you haul in lefty kreh, or steve barnard, and put them in any ****ing pond or impoundment in all of north carolina, fishing for bass, and i will pay you a c-note for each of the flyboys fish, if you will pay me for each of the others fishes. deal? wayno |
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"Wolfgang" wrote well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. Hm......shoreline?......for smallmouth? I got a six pack, a dog, and a woman........you? Wolfgang and god help me if either of the latter ever sees this. :( hilarious, and i can dig the sight of you with little beads of sweat popping out as you write, and the increase in heart rate... and the best part is, i will be there to see it all go down. might even write a song about it, if i can work a sexual spin in there, somewhere... yfitons wayno |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"rw" wrote in message . .. I haven't flyfished for bass since I was a teenager, which was a LONG time ago. Sucker bet. of course. why else would i offer it? I'm just kind of mystified why you even brought up my name in that context. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004, Willi wrote:
spinner baits that he threw back into the timber. He was slaying the fish. He probably caught more bass in the half hour I watched him than I had caught in a half a dozen trips. Unless I'm missing something, there's no way for a fly fisherman to even get a fly into the area where the fish were. It's not merely a matter of getting into the timber. When the spinner bait bite is hot, it is HOT. The thumping of the blade plus the sounds made when the lure bumps into the wood is a strike trigger that you'd have a hard time duplicating with any gear. Mu |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004, Steve wrote:
This has been real hard for me because most of sources for bass fishermen is written from a gearhead perspective. I think a major source of the problem with regard to the latest literature and theories on bass fishiing is how much the tournament circuit has affected the techniques and approaches. These guys are interested in covering lots of water, targeting the most aggressive fish and getting the most fish to bite. As a fly fisherman that is not my idea of fun. I like small ponds where there is an intimate feeling. I like fishing from canoes in the shallows. I like float tubing after midnight. I like wading among the reeds. I've had occasions when the largemouth were keyed in on a mayfly emergence and would only take a wooly bugger that was allowed to sink to the bottom and was rapidly heading towards the surface. Even when throwing hardware one of my favorite techniques is the use of an unweighted wacky worm. It's a slow technique that requires taking 30 to 120 seconds to cover about a yard of water. If you are forced into a boat with a hardware guy, consider learning to fish with an integrated sinking head (like a Cortland QD or Teeny T line). A laundry basket or wastepaper can at your feet will serve as an effective line handling accessory. This will usually allow you to engage in a little more aggressive retrieve. Mu |
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"rw" wrote in message . .. Wayne Harrison wrote: um, no offense, steve, but i will take either jeffie or pamlico jim roberts (depending on who had more or less to drink the night before; if jim had more to drink, i will take him) and let you haul in lefty kreh, or steve barnard, and put them in any ****ing pond or impoundment in all of north carolina, fishing for bass, and i will pay you a c-note for each of the flyboys fish, if you will pay me for each of the others fishes. deal? then steve responded: I haven't flyfished for bass since I was a teenager, which was a LONG time ago. Sucker bet. of course. why else would i offer it? wayno (thanks for listening) |
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message . .. "Steve" wrote in message link.net... Willi, My whole point and logic is this, A bait fisher will usally kill an artificial angler on any given day. um, no offense, steve, but i will take either jeffie or pamlico jim roberts (depending on who had more or less to drink the night before; if jim had more to drink, i will take him) and let you haul in lefty kreh, or steve barnard, and put them in any ****ing pond or impoundment in all of north carolina, fishing for bass, and i will pay you a c-note for each of the flyboys fish, if you will pay me for each of the others fishes. deal? wayno Um......not that there's any reason to suppose it would affect the outcome much, but I was just wondering.......would the estimable Mr. Roberts be using traditional fishing tackle of some sort or going au naturelle.......you know, the "nature, red in tooth and claw" thingy? Wolfgang who, evidently, never did quite understand the "romantics". :( |
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Wolfgang wrote: I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, then i wrote: well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. and, wolfie said: Hm......shoreline?......for smallmouth? ok... i'll bring the bay boat. I got a six pack, a dog, and a woman........you? um, well yeah...so far anyway. is that the bet? if so, i'm pretty sure i can hazard the six pack, but no way i'm wagerin my dog...um, or rachel. g jeff |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:10:03 -0600, rw
wrote: Wayne Harrison wrote: "rw" wrote in message . .. I haven't flyfished for bass since I was a teenager, which was a LONG time ago. Sucker bet. of course. why else would i offer it? I'm just kind of mystified why you even brought up my name in that context. I'd go with "awed". ;-) |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:Keysc.10628$zE6.10157@lakeread06... Wolfgang wrote: I'd be willing to risk a small to moderate wager on my chances with a fly rod against a spin fisher for smallmouth under most conditions, then i wrote: well, now...double or nothing, fontana lake, october. and, wolfie said: Hm......shoreline?......for smallmouth? ok... i'll bring the bay boat. I got a six pack, a dog, and a woman........you? um, well yeah...so far anyway. is that the bet? if so, i'm pretty sure i can hazard the six pack, but no way i'm wagerin my dog...um, or rachel. g Well, Becky says one way or another someone......and probably more than one.....would die trying to collect. Cullen said nothing, but he goes where his Mumma goes. :( O.k., a six pack it is. Wolfgang |
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well alrighty then!! you be sure to bring the glarus down with you, ya
hear now. btw, someone at the local bar mentioned there might be a "steelhead" (faux variety) run up lower hazel creek in october... never heard of such a thing, ...but, when you wish upon a star... you got any steelhead fishin stuff? we should make a fontana lake-run steelie a "joker's wild" pay double bet, eh? so, bring a case or two of that glarus. g and...um...sadie is spayed. i trust you will inform cullen... jeff Wolfgang wrote: O.k., a six pack it is. Wolfgang |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:9BSsc.10976$zE6.1190@lakeread06... well alrighty then!! you be sure to bring the glarus down with you, ya hear now. Hm......well, I won't be needing it, but I guess it's one of those pro forma thingies, huh? O.k., I'll bring some to the table. :) btw, someone at the local bar mentioned there might be a "steelhead" (faux variety) run up lower hazel creek in october... never heard of such a thing, ...but, when you wish upon a star... you got any steelhead fishin stuff? I do. Got that St. Croix 7/11 wt. girder. If you've never fished for steelhead, you should. Everybody should at least try it some time. Personally, I don't much care for it. Too much repetitive flogging of the water for my tastes. But, when you hook into one, it WILL take you for a merry ride! we should make a fontana lake-run steelie a "joker's wild" pay double bet, eh? so, bring a case or two of that glarus. g Rats! This is starting to sound expensive. :( and...um...sadie is spayed. i trust you will inform cullen... Cullen is........um.......indifferent, since he went to the vet and got tutored. Wolfgang |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:9BSsc.10976$zE6.1190@lakeread06... well alrighty then!! you be sure to bring the glarus down with you, ya hear now. btw, someone at the local bar mentioned there might be a "steelhead" (faux variety) run up lower hazel creek in october... never heard of such a thing, Many moons ago the NC DNR planted steelhead into Fontana, never really took if i recall correctly but the guy who used to post here from the department that the remants of that experiment is the source of many a large rainbow caught in Hazel and the other creeks which feed into fontana. |
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 22:00:37 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote: "Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:9BSsc.10976$zE6.1190@lakeread06... well alrighty then!! you be sure to bring the glarus down with you, ya hear now. btw, someone at the local bar mentioned there might be a "steelhead" (faux variety) run up lower hazel creek in october... never heard of such a thing, Many moons ago the NC DNR planted steelhead into Fontana, never really took if i recall correctly but the guy who used to post here from the department that the remants of that experiment is the source of many a large rainbow caught in Hazel and the other creeks which feed into fontana. I know two people that have seen one of those freaky big rainbows... /daytripper (...and it damned near killed one of them ;-) |
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