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mustad 34007
Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production?
-- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
mustad 34007
On Fri, 21 May 2004 10:38:50 +0200, "fish.iddx.net"
wrote: Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? They are still listed on the Mustad web site: http://www.mustad.no/northamerica/fu...l****er_5b.htm -- Charlie... |
mustad 34007
You can get the larger sizes in stainless at a good price from Cabelas, and
the smaller ones from Bob Marriotts. Cabelas carries on nickel plated in the smaller sizes -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
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appreciate the link, Charlie. It leads to real size charts for hooks that a
friend was hunting for. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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You can get the larger sizes in stainless at a good price from Cabelas,
and the smaller ones from Bob Marriotts. Cabelas carries on nickel plated in the smaller sizes As you can see in my signature, I live in Denmark Europe. Never heard of Cebelas or Bob Marriotts. The reason why I ask, is because some distributors in DK says its gone out of production, and some distributors its hasnt. :o/ -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
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It is hard to say what Mustad may do. They are always trying to get more
bucks out of you so they continue to change their line-up of hooks. About 5 years ago they replace some hooks with a new series of hooks that had 5 digits in their name and were slightly more expensive.. About 2 years ago, they added their "Signature " line which were much more expensive, but I don't think they stopped making any of thier older hooks. All I can say is that hey are still readily available here in the States. If they are going to make a change like that it is usually in the fall just before all of the trade shows, and before the fly shops put their catalogs together. If you want to try to order from the States, here are two links where you can find the hooks. I just received an order from Cabelas so I know that they have them http://www.bobmarriotts.com/ this is a very large fly shop in southern California with fair prices http://www.cabelas.com This is a major outfitter for hunting and fishing and has some of the best prices Both of these are top notch companies -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... You can get the larger sizes in stainless at a good price from Cabelas, and the smaller ones from Bob Marriotts. Cabelas carries on nickel plated in the smaller sizes As you can see in my signature, I live in Denmark Europe. Never heard of Cebelas or Bob Marriotts. The reason why I ask, is because some distributors in DK says its gone out of production, and some distributors its hasnt. :o/ -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
mustad 34007
That is still a fairly popular hook so I think it is still in production
unless it is very recent. We sell #4 and #6 mostly for bonefish flies. Many here in the US have gone to the more expensive, sharper, harder Japanse hooks now like TMC, Targus, Dai-riki, Daichi, Gamakatsu, Trey Combs and Owner for salt water flies. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
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The thing is, Tiemco 811S(12 hooks a pack) cost about 1.50$ MORE(!!!) than
the Mustad 34007(25 hooks a pack), and in the only difference is the color. They're both stainless. If i can get more for less, im gonne do it. :o) -- Venligst, Grüsse, Regards, Thomas Schreiber - Finsensgade 48, 4tv 8200 Århus N. Danmark - 45+ 86725588 45+ 60725588 - "Bill Kiene" wrote in message om... That is still a fairly popular hook so I think it is still in production unless it is very recent. We sell #4 and #6 mostly for bonefish flies. Many here in the US have gone to the more expensive, sharper, harder Japanse hooks now like TMC, Targus, Dai-riki, Daichi, Gamakatsu, Trey Combs and Owner for salt water flies. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
mustad 34007
Thomas,
All the Japanese stainless steel salt water hooks are far superior to the Mustad as far as sharpness and hardness in concerned. We won't buy a commercial fly that is not on a Japanese hook for any fly in our shop. The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook. You can still shop the internet for a good deal on good Japanese SS hooks. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "THOMAS SCHREIBER" wrote in message ... The thing is, Tiemco 811S(12 hooks a pack) cost about 1.50$ MORE(!!!) than the Mustad 34007(25 hooks a pack), and in the only difference is the color. They're both stainless. If i can get more for less, im gonne do it. :o) -- Venligst, Grüsse, Regards, Thomas Schreiber - Finsensgade 48, 4tv 8200 Århus N. Danmark - 45+ 86725588 45+ 60725588 - "Bill Kiene" wrote in message om... That is still a fairly popular hook so I think it is still in production unless it is very recent. We sell #4 and #6 mostly for bonefish flies. Many here in the US have gone to the more expensive, sharper, harder Japanse hooks now like TMC, Targus, Dai-riki, Daichi, Gamakatsu, Trey Combs and Owner for salt water flies. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA Web site: www.kiene.com "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
mustad 34007
The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook.
-- Bill Kiene What do you mean by dull? Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for example? -- Venligst, Grüsse, Regards, Thomas Schreiber - Finsensgade 48, 4tv 8200 Århus N. Danmark - 45+ 86725588 45+ 60725588 - |
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"THOMAS SCHREIBER" wrote in
: The thing is, Tiemco 811S(12 hooks a pack) cost about 1.50$ MORE(!!!) than the Mustad 34007(25 hooks a pack), and in the only difference is the color. They're both stainless. If i can get more for less, im gonne do it. :o) The 34007s often require a touch up with a hook hone out of the pack. The Signature series, Karmagutsu, Targus and the odd Tiemco I've used, don't. The 34007 has its place, I still use it a lot, just be aware of the shortcomings. Steve |
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"fish.iddx.net" wrote in message
... What do you mean by dull? Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for example? Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been missing. |
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Willi,
What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically sharpened? thanks, JFK. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "Willi" wrote in message ... fish.iddx.net wrote: The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook. -- Bill Kiene What do you mean by dull? Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for example? I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened. Willi |
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I mistated my question above.
Apparently "chemically sharpening" is a plating process, perhaps similar to electoplating. I cannot find out much about it on the internet. All hooks are rasonable sharp when originally ground, but "chemically sharpening" defines the edges better, and makes it sharper. This extra sharpening is rapidly lost in salt water, perhaps as the salt dissolves the plating. Neither the Teimco nor the Mustad stainless steels hooks are "chemically sharpened". Both are unplated stainless steel. Tiemco on their web page states that the process of making stainless hooks precludes chemical sharpening. My question was "what evidence do you have to state tht Tiemco stainless steel hooks are sharpened differntly than the 34007? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "Willi" wrote in message ... fish.iddx.net wrote: The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook. -- Bill Kiene What do you mean by dull? Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for example? I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened. Willi |
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Sierra fisher wrote: Willi, What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically sharpened? thanks, JFK. I'm not sure. Just something I "know." In the late 80's or 90's Mustad introduced their line of chemically sharpened hooks, I think they were the 8000 series. They didn't change the way they sharpened their standard fly hooks. You taught me something about stainless hooks. I didn't realize they couldn't be chemically sharpened. Willi |
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I know just enough about hooks to be dangerous. However I also "know" some
things that I picked up over the years that I think are worth throwing out to see if someone can punch holes in them All hooks are sharp when they are first ground. It doesn't take any great equipment, techniques or expense to grind a sharp hook. Many hooks are dulled by the old "dip and dry" method of plating hooks. To sharpen these hooks, all you had to do was remove the plating material and get back to the ground surface.. The new "chemical sharpening" method plates the hook, and not only doesn't dull it, it increases its sharpness. This increase in sharpness is only temporary. It wears off with use. It wears off very quickly in sal****er. Some beleive that if re-sharpen these hooks after use, the hook that was not chemicallly sharpened, will sharpen better. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "Willi" wrote in message ... Sierra fisher wrote: Willi, What is the source for your information that the 34007 is mechanically sharpened? thanks, JFK. I'm not sure. Just something I "know." In the late 80's or 90's Mustad introduced their line of chemically sharpened hooks, I think they were the 8000 series. They didn't change the way they sharpened their standard fly hooks. You taught me something about stainless hooks. I didn't realize they couldn't be chemically sharpened. Willi |
mustad 34007
I though chemical sharping was an acid dip, It used to be common to
"sharpen" files by dipping them in sulphuric acid. Now it's cheaper to buy a new file and throw away the old one. "Sierra fisher" wrote in message ... I mistated my question above. Apparently "chemically sharpening" is a plating process, perhaps similar to electoplating. I cannot find out much about it on the internet. All hooks are rasonable sharp when originally ground, but "chemically sharpening" defines the edges better, and makes it sharper. This extra sharpening is rapidly lost in salt water, perhaps as the salt dissolves the plating. Neither the Teimco nor the Mustad stainless steels hooks are "chemically sharpened". Both are unplated stainless steel. Tiemco on their web page states that the process of making stainless hooks precludes chemical sharpening. My question was "what evidence do you have to state tht Tiemco stainless steel hooks are sharpened differntly than the 34007? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com "Willi" wrote in message ... fish.iddx.net wrote: The reason is here in CA the customers won't buy a fly with a dull hook. -- Bill Kiene What do you mean by dull? Are you sure that the Japanese hooks(Tiemco) er that better than Mustad for example? I believe that chemically sharpened hooks are sharper than mechanically sharpened ones. Although Mustad's more expensive hooks are chemically sharpened, the Mustad 34007 is mechanically sharpened. Willi |
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Hooked:
Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been missing. I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or the other Japanese lines. I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese hooks break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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"slenon" wrote in message
... I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or the other Japanese lines. I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese hooks break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations. I've had a couple Tiemco's break in the vise after applying way too much pressure using Kevlar thread, and a couple break while mashing down the barb. Now I rarely use Kevlar, and I've learned the proper way to mash a barb. For my money, I prefer the Tiemco's over Mustad because I know a Tiemco will be sharp and I can't see well enough to sharpen every Mustad I take out of the package. |
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slenon wrote:
I'll look around on line and see what I can find, thanks for the steer. bon appétit :-) -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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slenon wrote: Hooked: Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been missing. I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or the other Japanese lines. I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese hooks break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations. To each their own on that. When you look at the price per fly difference and you compare that to all the other expenses incurred in a fishing trip (not even considering how prescious time off is for most people), that difference is pretty meaningless. Especially when nymphing or when fishing smaller dries, I'm convinced that the sharper Japanese hooks do result in more fish on the line. If you do some searching on the Web, you can find chemically sharpenned hooks for the same price or even less than the traditional Mustads. These cheaper hooks are not QUITE as good as Tiemco etc., but IMO they are better than the traditional Mustads. IMO, the "higher" lines of Mustads are every bit as good as any of the Japanese hooks. However, they are just as expensive. Willi |
mustad 34007
If you do some searching on the Web,
you can find chemically sharpenned hooks for the same price or even less than the traditional Mustads. These cheaper hooks are not QUITE as good as Tiemco etc., but IMO they are better than the traditional Mustads. IMO, the "higher" lines of Mustads are every bit as good as any of the Japanese hooks. However, they are just as expensive. Willi I'll look around on line and see what I can find, thanks for the steer. Since time off is regrettably not a problem, and since travel to sal****er flats, at least, is measured in minutes, cost per hook becomes somewhat more of a factor than for those who must allocate time, trouble, and travel to fish the flats. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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Hooked:
For my money, I prefer the Tiemco's over Mustad because I know a Tiemco will be sharp and I can't see well enough to sharpen every Mustad I take out of the package. That can be a determinant. Even with contacts I've reading glasses in various strengths in several locations. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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slenon wrote: If you do some searching on the Web, you can find chemically sharpenned hooks for the same price or even less than the traditional Mustads. These cheaper hooks are not QUITE as good as Tiemco etc., but IMO they are better than the traditional Mustads. IMO, the "higher" lines of Mustads are every bit as good as any of the Japanese hooks. However, they are just as expensive. Willi I'll look around on line and see what I can find, thanks for the steer. Since time off is regrettably not a problem, and since travel to sal****er flats, at least, is measured in minutes, cost per hook becomes somewhat more of a factor than for those who must allocate time, trouble, and travel to fish the flats. From what Sierra fisher said about not being able to chemically sharpen stainless hooks, I don't know if the Japanese hooks would be any better than the standard Mustads for salt water. Willi |
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From what Sierra fisher said about not being able to chemically sharpen
stainless hooks, I don't know if the Japanese hooks would be any better than the standard Mustads for salt water. Willi I've got a few 911 S's and some other Japanese hooks that someone gave me. I'll tie some comparison flies and see how they hold up. -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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In article ,
"slenon" wrote: Hooked: Every Tiemco hook I've bought, was by far sharper than any Mustad hook. Buy a pack and compare for yourself. You'll be surprised at what you've been missing. I'm sure that your post is based upon careful observation. I have noted that Tiemco hooks appear to be sharper, too. However, I can afford to tie more flies if I buy Mustad hooks and sharpen them than if I buy Tiemco or the other Japanese lines. I've had no bad experience with Mustad but have had a several Japanese hooks break in use. That, combined with their higher cost per hook keeps me firmly in the Mustad camp despite their limitations. Have you ever tried canadian llama hooks? They are about $4 per 100 and I find little difference between them and tiemco. |
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"Sierra fisher" wrote in message ... I know just enough about hooks to be dangerous. However I also "know" some Chemical sharpening is done by dipping the hooks in an acid bath. Stainless steel is difficult to sharpen, ( very difficult to chemically sharpen, as many stainless steels are of course acid resistant), and, depending on the steel used ( which of course is an alloy), will also not take or hold an edge easily. There are also other problems in tempering stainless steels. When re-sharpening hooks, it is immaterial how they were originally sharpened. This has no effect on the edge they can take. Lastly, the chemical sharpening is usually the last process, the hooks are of course ground sharp beforehand. TL MC |
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On Sun, 23 May 2004, Willi wrote:
From what Sierra fisher said about not being able to chemically sharpen stainless hooks, I don't know if the Japanese hooks would be any better than the standard Mustads for salt water. I like Dai-Ichi x-points for sal****er although they are quite pricey. Mustad signature line are good but not as good. The difference between the premium and *regular* hooks for sal****er use is that the wire thickness is finer and penetrates more easily. Mu |
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Steve Sullivan:
Have you ever tried canadian llama hooks? They are about $4 per 100 and I find little difference between them and tiemco. Haven't tried them. Got a source or two? -- Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69 Drowning flies to Dark Star http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm |
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I don't this so but others that are the same are
Tiemco:800S and 811S Eagle Claw:254SS Daiichi: 2546 Orvis: JA9034 and J0594 I have grown a loking to Daiichi, Mustad are not a what they used to be. "fish.iddx.net" wrote in message ... Anyone knows if this hook has gone out of production? -- Tight lines! - Thomas Schreiber Aarhus, Denmark - http://fish.iddx.net |
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