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Frank Reid May 28th, 2004 05:43 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?
--
Frank Reid
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Scott Seidman May 28th, 2004 05:54 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
Frank Reid wrote in news:c97q6p$j56$1
@newslocal.mitre.org:

Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


I don't know of a web page, but its not that tough. Put the fly on the
hook, and hold the standing line and the tag end together in one hand.
Put the CLOSED 'stat on top of the hook eye, in the middle of the "U" in
the line. Rotate the hemostats around the outside of the U to twist the
line 5 or 6 times (that part is hard to describe, but it works), leaving
things loose enough to be able to open the hemostats, grab the tag end, and
pull it through-- wallah!

Scott

Danl May 28th, 2004 06:41 PM

Forceps and Knots
 

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
Frank Reid wrote in news:c97q6p$j56$1
@newslocal.mitre.org:

Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


I don't know of a web page, but its not that tough. Put the fly on the
hook, and hold the standing line and the tag end together in one hand.
Put the CLOSED 'stat on top of the hook eye, in the middle of the "U" in
the line. Rotate the hemostats around the outside of the U to twist the
line 5 or 6 times (that part is hard to describe, but it works), leaving
things loose enough to be able to open the hemostats, grab the tag end,

and
pull it through-- wallah!

Scott


This method is also very helpful in making a loop to attach a dropper. Go
thru the monkeymotion as described by Scott without first "putting the fly
on the hook" or line and "Wallah!" . Just don't pull the loop tight (duh!)
until you put the loop onto the bend of the fly from which your dropper
shall dangle. This is why the the Germans sometimes refer to the second fly
in such an arrangement as a dropperdangler.

Danl

Who IS this Wallah character?.........



Charlie Choc May 28th, 2004 06:53 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:05 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:

Who IS this Wallah character?.........

That's what IJ calls Walt when he has a fly in his tongue.
--
Charlie...

Larry L May 28th, 2004 07:18 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
the fastest fly on tippet knot I've seen tied was by one of the guys at
TroutHunter on the HFork

get the fly on the leader,
hold the standing part in one hand on one side of the fly and the tag in the
other hand and side of fly ... the tippet taut
rotate the tag between thumb and first finger the six times ( takes practice
to get the count right, but not a lot of practice )
Bring the two hands together and --viola, the fly rotates six times and you
slip the tag through the now formed loop
can be done faster than saying "tie a knot" after the fly is on the tippet



slenon May 28th, 2004 07:24 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
Three times around the forcep is sufficient. The reverse the direction of
rotation and do it again. It makes a surgeons' knot. Mosquito hemostats
are preferable for fly tying although it is usually done with a needle
driver in surgery.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




DaveMohnsen May 28th, 2004 07:25 PM

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:05 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:
Who IS this Wallah character?.........
That's what IJ calls Walt when he has a fly in his tongue.
Charlie...


"Funny". Still can't stop chuckling about that episode.
Thanks.
BestWishes,
DaveMohnsen
Denver
(glad it worked out okay)





Scott Seidman May 28th, 2004 07:26 PM

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"slenon" wrote in
m:

Three times around the forcep is sufficient. The reverse the
direction of rotation and do it again. It makes a surgeons' knot.
Mosquito hemostats are preferable for fly tying although it is usually
done with a needle driver in surgery.


Very different knot. I described how to tie a clinch not with hemostats,
not a surgeons knot.

Scott

slenon May 28th, 2004 07:42 PM

Forceps and Knots
 
Very different knot. I described how to tie a clinch not with hemostats,
not a surgeons knot.
Scott


Indeed you did.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Dark Star

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Frank Reid May 29th, 2004 12:26 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
the fastest fly on tippet knot I've seen tied was by one of the guys at
TroutHunter on the HFork

get the fly on the leader,
hold the standing part in one hand on one side of the fly and the tag in

the
other hand and side of fly ... the tippet taut
rotate the tag between thumb and first finger the six times ( takes

practice
to get the count right, but not a lot of practice )
Bring the two hands together and --viola, the fly rotates six times and

you
slip the tag through the now formed loop
can be done faster than saying "tie a knot" after the fly is on the tippet


Someone should make a "guides tricks" web page with all of this in photos.
I'm a visual kinda guy, thats why I asked about a web page. by the way,
thanks all.
Frank



Larry L May 29th, 2004 12:38 AM

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote .
I'm a visual kinda guy, thats why I asked about a web page. by the way,



you know, Frank, I read my own post a couple hours after sending it and my
reaction was ...wtf is that guy saying G ... some things are real hard to
put in words ... knots being an example



Frank Reid May 29th, 2004 12:43 AM

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I'm a visual kinda guy, thats why I asked about a web page. by the way,

you know, Frank, I read my own post a couple hours after sending it and

my
reaction was ...wtf is that guy saying G


Knot you!

... some things are real hard to
put in words ... knots being an example


I think if I tried some of these things without pictures, I'd end up in a
flourocarbon birdsnest suit that Houdini couldn't get out of.

--
Frank Reid
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Warren May 29th, 2004 01:16 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
wrote...
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


http://www.rackelhanen.se/eng/10045.htm

HTH.
--
Warren
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Frank Reid May 29th, 2004 02:23 AM

Forceps and Knots
 

http://www.rackelhanen.se/eng/10045.htm


Thanks Warren, you're awesome, no matter what ________ (insert name of this
week's flame war participant) says about you. :-)
Frank Reid



bruiser May 29th, 2004 03:48 AM

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"Frank Reid" moc.deepselbac@diersicnarf wrote in

Thanks Warren, you're awesome, no matter what ________ (insert name of

this
week's flame war participant) says about you. :-)
Frank Reid


I agree with Frank, but Warren's not actually tying knots with his
hemostats. He just wads it up in a huge tangle, pulls it tight, and trims
the tag! Seems to work. (g)

bruce h



[email protected] May 29th, 2004 04:04 AM

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On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:05 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:


. This is why the the Germans sometimes refer to the second fly
in such an arrangement as a dropperdangler.


Cough. Choke. Giggle.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

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Mike May 29th, 2004 04:53 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
O.K. heres one for ya .......After you get the seven rounds and then through
the loop donethen back threw the other loop how come the when you pull the knot
tight how come the 2" or so of tippett above the fly get all squirrelly and
solution on how to remedy this problem ??????????? This ones for you Tim C


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick


Warren May 29th, 2004 08:52 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
wrote...
I agree with Frank, but Warren's not actually tying knots with his
hemostats. He just wads it up in a huge tangle, pulls it tight, and trims
the tag! Seems to work. (g)


That should read:
I agree with Frank, but Warren's not actually tying knots with his
hemostats. He just wads it up in a huge tangle, *spits on it*, pulls it tight, and trims
the tag! Seems to work. (g)


;-)
--
Warren
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Jeff Miller May 29th, 2004 12:24 PM

Forceps and Knots
 


lid wrote:

On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:05 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:



. This is why the the Germans sometimes refer to the second fly
in such an arrangement as a dropperdangler.



Cough. Choke. Giggle.


....don't encourage him.

jeff (dropperdangling olives)


Danl May 29th, 2004 03:08 PM

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:ps_tc.2023$Tw.1057@lakeread06...


lid wrote:

On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:05 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:



. This is why the the Germans sometimes refer to the second fly
in such an arrangement as a dropperdangler.



Cough. Choke. Giggle.


...don't encourage him.

jeff (dropperdangling olives)



Of course you know, Herr Miller, that if both the first and second flies
are olives, what you have is a doppeldropperdangler.

Danl



pw May 31st, 2004 04:48 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


I have some pics with him losing all his fish because of those knots,
if you' like to see them g


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Warren May 31st, 2004 08:39 AM

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wrote...
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


I have some pics with him losing all his fish because of those knots,
if you' like to see them g


Are you still mad because I caught more than you? BSEG
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Mike Makela May 31st, 2004 03:48 PM

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It sounds as if it needs to be spit on/wet before pulling the know
tight...does it look like the leader is singed? It could also be a bad lot
of tippet, or just plain bad tippet.

The Finn

....who still needs your address....


"Mike" wrote in message
...
O.K. heres one for ya .......After you get the seven rounds and then

through
the loop donethen back threw the other loop how come the when you pull the

knot
tight how come the 2" or so of tippett above the fly get all squirrelly

and
solution on how to remedy this problem ??????????? This ones for you Tim C


Handyman Mike
Standing in a river waving a stick




pw June 1st, 2004 05:18 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
wrote...
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?


I have some pics with him losing all his fish because of those knots,
if you' like to see them g


Are you still mad because I caught more than you? BSEG



How do you explain how many fish you broke off?

g


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Mark Tinsky June 1st, 2004 07:04 AM

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In article ,
wrote:

wrote...
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his
forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?

I have some pics with him losing all his fish because of those knots,
if you' like to see them g


Are you still mad because I caught more than you? BSEG



How do you explain how many fish you broke off?

g



Paul does have a point..... G
I know , it was bad tippet.....

MT

Warren June 1st, 2004 11:56 AM

Forceps and Knots
 
wrote...
In article ,
wrote:

wrote...
Last year, I watched Warren whip through some knots using his
forceps.
Very quick. Does anyone out there know of a webpage that shows this?

I have some pics with him losing all his fish because of those knots,
if you' like to see them g

Are you still mad because I caught more than you? BSEG



How do you explain how many fish you broke off?

g



Paul does have a point..... G
I know , it was bad tippet.....


None broke at the knot, but I agree that Paul has a point. It
probably isn't the same point that he had in mind, but I explain it
as I caught soooo many more fish than he did, that I broke off a lot
more fish than he hooked just by sheer percentages alone. BSEG
--
Warren
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Mark Tinsky June 2nd, 2004 04:24 AM

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None broke at the knot, but I agree that Paul has a point. It
probably isn't the same point that he had in mind, but I explain it
as I caught soooo many more fish than he did, that I broke off a lot
more fish than he hooked just by sheer percentages alone. BSEG
--
Warren
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A GOOD point and one I truly hadn t considered.... You were
certainly the" KING OF THE WHITIES " on that excursion! Kudos again!
After hooking so many Rocky Mountain Bone fish you ve got to
expect to break at least a couple off....



Poor Paul, if only he had been fishing large bead head prince
nymphs like you had he might had done as well..... You could have
given him at least one!.....

MT

Warren June 4th, 2004 12:02 AM

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wrote...
A GOOD point and one I truly hadn t considered.... You were
certainly the" KING OF THE WHITIES " on that excursion! Kudos again!
After hooking so many Rocky Mountain Bone fish you ve got to
expect to break at least a couple off....


I also seem to remember catching the most trout that same day.
Whities were the majority of fish caught by all three of us though.
You lost the best fish of the day. :-(

Poor Paul, if only he had been fishing large bead head prince
nymphs like you had he might had done as well..... You could have
given him at least one!.....


I wasn't fishing Prince nymphs. It was EHC, Goddard Caddis, small
Stimulator and caddis pupa combos that worked best for me. I did
fish a small PT nymph for a dropper and caught quite a few fish off
that as well.
--
Warren
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