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rw June 2nd, 2004 05:58 AM

Madison Clave warning
 
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Osmo Jauhiainen June 2nd, 2004 06:18 AM

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"rw" kirjoitti viestissä
m...
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)


Cool! This makes fishing exciting!

OsmoJ



rw June 2nd, 2004 06:23 AM

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Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Osmo Jauhiainen June 2nd, 2004 06:56 AM

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"rw" kirjoitti viestissä
m...
Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)


Just to make sure! If I participate next year. It is not easy to
get that heavy handgun here in Finland. And if I carry it with
me when flying to states, I will be classified as terrorist?

Is it posssible to get such from your side just for that clave plus
have some kind if shooting training before the clave? .44 or even heavier?

OsmoJ



rw June 2nd, 2004 07:26 AM

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Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:
"rw" kirjoitti viestissä
m...

Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)



Just to make sure! If I participate next year. It is not easy to
get that heavy handgun here in Finland. And if I carry it with
me when flying to states, I will be classified as terrorist?

Is it posssible to get such from your side just for that clave plus
have some kind if shooting training before the clave? .44 or even heavier?


I'd advise against transporting a handgun (heavy or otherwise) from
Finland to the US. The same goes for boxcutters and even Bic pens. :-)

If you want to shoot some weapons in Montana, I'm sure you can find some
arrangements. I don't know the details, but Warren can help you out.

To tell the truth, if I'm riding into backcountry thick with grizzlies,
the .357 magnum I'd carry would just mess him or (more likely) her up
for revenge after I'm dead. Your best weapon is avoidance, but avoidance
doesn't mean you shouldn't come to the Clave.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Padishar Creel June 2nd, 2004 07:28 AM

Madison Clave warning
 
In Grizzly county make sure to grind off the front sight of your "large
caliber sidearm." That way it won't hurt so bad when the bear shoves it up
your ass. G

Chris
"rw" wrote in message
m...
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.




Jeff Miller June 2nd, 2004 01:08 PM

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gulp... guess i'll be fishing with the slow runners in the group. i know
the hebgen flows into the quake and then the madison meanders up to
ennis...but, um, is the slide inn considered part of the hebgen "area".
also... where's the best place in the area to buy pepper spray and a
cowbell?

jeff
rw wrote:

This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)



Charlie Choc June 2nd, 2004 01:13 PM

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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:08:24 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

gulp... guess i'll be fishing with the slow runners in the group.


Gee, I bet I get *lots* of fishing invitations this year. g
--
Charlie...

Joe McIntosh June 2nd, 2004 02:01 PM

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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:08:24 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

gulp... guess i'll be fishing with the slow runners in the group.


Gee, I bet I get *lots* of fishing invitations this year. g
--
Charlie...


Ah Charlie --you know you are just to sweet for a bear"s selection----most
bears enjoy a chase--just like a young guy after sex--ij



Charlie Choc June 2nd, 2004 02:09 PM

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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:01:15 -0700, "bruiser"
wrote:


"Charlie Choc" .

Gee, I bet I get *lots* of fishing invitations this year. g
--


Just bring a jar of peanut butter and smear some on the faster guys backs
when they're not looking (G).

Good idea, I'll bring a big jar. g
--
Charlie...

Joe McIntosh June 2nd, 2004 02:11 PM

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"bruiser" wrote in message
...

"Charlie Choc" .

Gee, I bet I get *lots* of fishing invitations this year. g
--


Just bring a jar of peanut butter and smear some on the faster guys backs
when they're not looking (G).

bruce h

I remember the old chief who said "'the bear usually catches the brave who

has the most **** in his breechcloth "

or what ever that rag tied around their waste is called
IJ



Charlie Choc June 2nd, 2004 02:12 PM

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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:01:30 GMT, "Joe McIntosh"
wrote:

Ah Charlie --you know you are just to sweet for a bear"s selection----most
bears enjoy a chase--just like a young guy after sex--ij

So, where do you prefer your peanut butter?
--
Charlie...

Padishar Creel June 2nd, 2004 02:43 PM

Madison Clave warning
 
I should have mentioned that this posting was brought to you by an Alaskan
fly fishing guide that works at Kaufmann's Streamborne during the off
season. He has lots of wonderful bear stories and I really enjoyed this
little ditty and I couldn't resist. He has one about Pepper Spray as well,
"In Grizzly Country, wear a bell and carry pepper spray." "By the way you
can tell Grizzly Bear Scat from Black Bear cuz it is darker and larger, has
bells in it and smells like pepper."

Chris

"Padishar Creel" wrote in message news:...
In Grizzly county make sure to grind off the front sight of your "large
caliber sidearm." That way it won't hurt so bad when the bear shoves it

up
your ass. G

Chris
"rw" wrote in message
m...
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.






bruiser June 2nd, 2004 03:01 PM

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"Charlie Choc" .

Gee, I bet I get *lots* of fishing invitations this year. g
--


Just bring a jar of peanut butter and smear some on the faster guys backs
when they're not looking (G).

bruce h



BJ Conner June 2nd, 2004 05:38 PM

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"Osmo Jauhiainen" wrote in message ...
"rw" kirjoitti viestissä
m...
Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)


Just to make sure! If I participate next year. It is not easy to
get that heavy handgun here in Finland. And if I carry it with
me when flying to states, I will be classified as terrorist?

Is it posssible to get such from your side just for that clave plus
have some kind if shooting training before the clave? .44 or even heavier?

OsmoJ


Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.

while_1 June 3rd, 2004 05:12 AM

Madison Clave warning
 
rw wrote in message om...
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)


....fish with a partner who uses waders. And wet wade, with running
shoes on. Works every time.

Darin Minor June 3rd, 2004 05:19 AM

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BJ Conner wrote:

Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.


If I've got a grizzley on my ass, I can out run Carl Lewis :)

Darin


Frank Reid June 3rd, 2004 12:26 PM

Madison Clave warning
 
Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)


If you're really unlucky, he'll see you and you won't see him. Is it
true they like Roffian Wraps (Dacron-down wrap with a creamy center)?
--
Frank Reid
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Frank Reid June 3rd, 2004 12:28 PM

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Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.

Like Wolfgang. Worked for me. (hey Wolfie, you draw him off and I'll
scream like a girl whilst sitting in my truck)
--
Frank Reid
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Osmo Jauhiainen June 3rd, 2004 01:04 PM

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Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.


Tree climbing does not work here, because the bear is good in tree climbing
also.
The second advice is better!

OsmoJ



Wolfgang June 3rd, 2004 11:15 PM

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"Osmo Jauhiainen" wrote in message
...

Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.


Tree climbing does not work here, because the bear is good in tree

climbing
also.


Doesn't work here either. :(

The second advice is better!


Very distracting though.......could have at least rolled up the windows.

Wolfgang
i mean, it's not like he didn't have time......whilst i rassled the bahr.



bones June 4th, 2004 05:29 AM

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On 2 Jun 2004 21:12:36 -0700, (while_1)
wrote:

rw wrote in message om...
This afternoon I talked to a senior Forest Service ranger who used to be
a wildlife biologist in Montana. He said the Hegben Lake area is rife
with grizzlies. I'm bringing my bear spray and a large caliber sidearm.
Stay clear, or at least upwind. :-)


...fish with a partner who uses waders. And wet wade, with running
shoes on. Works every time.




the moose are a bit of a terror as well, I make a whole bunch of noise
in the willows.... Moms will have small calfs about that time....
Harry Mason
www.Troutflies.com

Frank Reid June 4th, 2004 12:35 PM

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Very distracting though.......could have at least rolled up the windows.

Wolfgang
i mean, it's not like he didn't have time......whilst i rassled the bahr.


Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear doing
the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as the
high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the background
(yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell you that the
bear also got my Viagra?

--
Frank Reid
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Herman Nijland June 4th, 2004 01:16 PM

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Frank Reid wrote:
Very distracting though.......could have at least rolled up the windows.

Wolfgang
i mean, it's not like he didn't have time......whilst i rassled the bahr.



Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear doing
the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as the
high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the background
(yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell you that the
bear also got my Viagra?


It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..

--
Herman

Frank Reid June 4th, 2004 01:22 PM

Madison Clave warning
 
Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear doing
the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as the
high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the background
(yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell you that the
bear also got my Viagra?


It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..


The bear or Wolfgang?


--
Frank Reid
Reverse Email to reply


Herman Nijland June 4th, 2004 01:31 PM

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Frank Reid wrote:

Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear
doing the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as
the high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the
background (yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell
you that the bear also got my Viagra?


It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..



The bear or Wolfgang?



Why would it climb Wolfgang?
--
Herman, who didn't really need the mental image.

Frank Reid June 4th, 2004 01:36 PM

Madison Clave warning
 
Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear
doing the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as
the high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the
background (yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell
you that the bear also got my Viagra?

It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..


The bear or Wolfgang?

Why would it climb Wolfgang?


Too much Viagra?

--
Frank Reid
Reverse Email to reply


Herman Nijland June 4th, 2004 01:53 PM

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Frank Reid wrote:

Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear
doing the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as
the high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the
background (yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell
you that the bear also got my Viagra?


It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..


The bear or Wolfgang?

Why would it climb Wolfgang?



Too much Viagra?

Well, it did take the butter, didn't it?

--
Herman, whistling 'Last tango in Paris' tune

Frank Reid June 4th, 2004 02:00 PM

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Herman Nijland wrote:

Frank Reid wrote:

Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear
doing the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine
as the high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the
background (yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I
tell you that the bear also got my Viagra?



It would at least have some troubles climbing a tree then..



The bear or Wolfgang?

Why would it climb Wolfgang?




Too much Viagra?

Well, it did take the butter, didn't it?


Well, maybe he thought Wolfy was a Berliner (jelly donut).
--
Frank Reid
(thinking this is getting too weird even for me)
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Asadi June 4th, 2004 02:18 PM

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Osmo,

We can even get 'em for you fully automatic...the better for fat moving
bears.

Any city in the U.S.of A. will be more than happy to arm you to the
teeth.....Why, we've got so many guns, we just go around looking for wars.

john
"Osmo Jauhiainen" wrote in message
...

"rw" kirjoitti viestissä
m...
Osmo Jauhiainen wrote:

Cool! This makes fishing exciting!


That is the attitude I like! If you're lucky you'll see a grizzly. If
you're unlucky, it will be in the campground. :-)


Just to make sure! If I participate next year. It is not easy to
get that heavy handgun here in Finland. And if I carry it with
me when flying to states, I will be classified as terrorist?

Is it posssible to get such from your side just for that clave plus
have some kind if shooting training before the clave? .44 or even

heavier?

OsmoJ





daytripper June 5th, 2004 12:44 AM

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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:35:50 -0400, Frank Reid wrote:

Very distracting though.......could have at least rolled up the windows.

Wolfgang
i mean, it's not like he didn't have time......whilst i rassled the bahr.


Hmmm, visuals. Skinny guy with grey curly hair in his underwear doing
the masochism tango with a 6 foot, 350 lb flatulent ursine as the
high-pitched scream of insane brood X cicadas wafts in the background
(yeah, cicadas, thats what made that noise). Did I tell you that the
bear also got my Viagra?


Viagra?

/daytripper (Conclaves must've changed a *lot* since I last attended one ;-)

[email protected] June 6th, 2004 08:16 AM

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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:04:48 +0300, "Osmo Jauhiainen"
wrote:


Practice tree climbing and always go out with someone you can outrun.


Tree climbing does not work here, because the bear is good in tree climbing
also.
The second advice is better!

OsmoJ

Only very young grizzlies can climb. However, there are also black
bears (smaller, but generally do more harm) and they can climb.

Legend has it that if you climb a tree to get away from a bear, the
black bear will climb after and get you, the grizz will look the
situation over and knock down the tree and get you. Probably a bit
more likely than the run faster legend. In either case, if someone
starts running, they can trigger the chase reflex. Since both kinds
of bears can outrun any human, well... So if I'm with you and we spot
a bear and you run, I'm going to stand still and look like a tree
until the bear is dining happily and then I'll sneak off a different
way and report the sordid story.

On the other hand, I've read about a guy who climbed a tree to get
away from a black. It kept trying to drag him down by the foot and he
kept kicking it in the nose. Eventually it got tired of that fun,
hung around a while to see if he'd come down and then took off. He
then climbed down and limped off for some medical help. I have never
heard of a grizz knocking down a tree to get at a potential victim.
Not saying one couldn't give a relatively small tree a good shaking,
though, and if it's a solo event, how would we know what exactly went
wrong?


--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

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