Fighting butt, and some fish pictures
 

Hi all,

I just thought I'd post on something that I was asked about at Penns.
Someone asked me about the fact that I had put a fighting butt on my 4
weight.
I think the reflection was that I wouldn't need one on such a light rod and
that it was too short anyway.
Actually, this might just be a good idea for any rod, without the notion
that you'd ever need it as a fighting butt.
I put it there simply because every time I lean my rod against anything the
reel is bound to touch ground.
Scratch marks on the reel can seem as only a cosmetic thing, but if you get
a scratch mark on the inside of the edge of the spool it will inevitably
affect the coating of the line. Scratched aluminium is sharp.
What I do is I put a very short fighting but on all my light rods and a
longer one on heavier rods.
The longer ones will protect the reel as well as working as a fighting butt
while the shorter ones (about 1 1/4 inch) are there only to protect the
reel.
A friend of mine once asked me how I could keep my reels in such good shape
over the years, so I showed him.
I ended up putting the same fighting butts on his rods as well as another
friend's rods.
Think about it, such a short fighting butt won't be in the way and it will
lengthen the lifespan of your reels.
AND, with the cost of those reels you'd likely want to expand the lifespan
on them.

BTW, I went fishing for Arctic char in the mountains with some friends. We
caught 14 and kept 2 for late dinner (2 am) by the creek (midnight sun and
all). This one was caught by me and was 19 inches
http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran3.JPG and one of those that we kept.
Here's a 20 inch fish http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran1.JPG
(released) and a 16 inch one http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran2.JPG
(also kept for dinner).
They're pretty fish the Arctic char, and tasty.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime fly fisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://www.imsoc.se/angler/ for info on fly
fishing in northern Sweden, Lapland,
or visit http://www.imsoc.se/ffgallery/ , the fly fishermen's gallery.

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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
Hi all,
snip

BTW, I went fishing for Arctic char in the mountains with some friends. We
caught 14 and kept 2 for late dinner (2 am) by the creek (midnight sun and
all). This one was caught by me and was 19 inches
http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran3.JPG and one of those that we
kept.
Here's a 20 inch fish http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran1.JPG
(released) and a 16 inch one http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran2.JPG
(also kept for dinner).
They're pretty fish the Arctic char, and tasty.


Bastid!

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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I just thought I'd post on something that I was asked about at Penns.
Someone asked me about the fact that I had put a fighting butt on my 4
weight.
I think the reflection was that I wouldn't need one on such a light rod
and
that it was too short anyway.
Actually, this might just be a good idea for any rod, without the notion
that you'd ever need it as a fighting butt.
I put it there simply because every time I lean my rod against anything
the
reel is bound to touch ground.
Scratch marks on the reel can seem as only a cosmetic thing, but if you
get
a scratch mark on the inside of the edge of the spool it will inevitably
affect the coating of the line. Scratched aluminium is sharp.
What I do is I put a very short fighting but on all my light rods and a
longer one on heavier rods.
The longer ones will protect the reel as well as working as a fighting
butt
while the shorter ones (about 1 1/4 inch) are there only to protect the
reel.
A friend of mine once asked me how I could keep my reels in such good
shape
over the years, so I showed him.
I ended up putting the same fighting butts on his rods as well as another
friend's rods.
Think about it, such a short fighting butt won't be in the way and it will
lengthen the lifespan of your reels.
AND, with the cost of those reels you'd likely want to expand the lifespan
on them.

/ Roger



Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-) When you buy a
descent reel (sage or waterworks ie.) you get a nice neoprene casing for
your reel. I use that when i put my rod down on the ground, or place my rod
where the surface is plain grass without sand and pebbles.

Fightingbutts are for fighting fish, and not for reel protection imho. But
be my guest :oÞ


/Thomas - DK

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"fish.iddx.net" wrote in
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Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-) When you
buy a descent reel (sage or waterworks ie.) you get a nice neoprene
casing for your reel. I use that when i put my rod down on the ground,
or place my rod where the surface is plain grass without sand and
pebbles.

Fightingbutts are for fighting fish, and not for reel protection imho.
But be my guest :oÞ

.....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes) if there
ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat off lay it down and
put the butt in there...works for me.

Frank the careful

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Frank ....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes)
Frank if there ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat
Frank off lay it down and put the butt in there...works for me.

I do the same thing, even though my head also seriously needs the
protection. Just another manifestation of my priorities.

It's also good to have a vest with one of those rod holders (I think
some vests actually have two).

--
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Frank Church wrote:
"fish.iddx.net" wrote in
:

Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-) When you
buy a descent reel (sage or waterworks ie.) you get a nice neoprene
casing for your reel. I use that when i put my rod down on the ground,
or place my rod where the surface is plain grass without sand and
pebbles.

Fightingbutts are for fighting fish, and not for reel protection imho.
But be my guest :oÞ


....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes) if there
ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat off lay it down and
put the butt in there...works for me.

I take care not to get dirt in the reel, but other than that I couldn't
care less about dings and scratches. They just add character. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Frank Church wrote:

....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes) if there
ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat off lay it down and
put the butt in there...works for me.

Frank the careful

Hmmm.... butt in head gear, head up butt ... there's a joke in
there somewhere that I'm too polite to make. ;-)

That's exactly what I do, btw, when I'm on the bank. My vest
has a loop for the butt and a velcro for the rod that works
very well when I'm thigh deep in a stream.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
Frank Church wrote:

....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes) if there
ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat off lay it down and
put the butt in there...works for me.

Hmmm.... butt in head gear, head up butt ... there's a joke in
there somewhere that I'm too polite to make. ;-)

That's exactly what I do, btw, when I'm on the bank. My vest
has a loop for the butt and a velcro for the rod that works
very well when I'm thigh deep in a stream.

My original conclusion was that conservatives keep their butts in their hats,
but it appears liberals practice this as well. Further study has proven that
*either/both* will speak while performing the ritual.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"fish.iddx.net" wrote in message
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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Hi all,

I just thought I'd post on something that I was asked about at Penns.
Someone asked me about the fact that I had put a fighting butt on my 4
weight.

Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-)

Why not?
How much do you think 1 1/4 inch of cork butt weighs?
Anyway, I've gotten so used to never having to think about not damaging the
reel that I wouldn't want to be without it.
To each his own, but I still think it's a good idea.

/Roger
Come to think of it, none of my cane rods have one and they're not likely to
have one in the future either ;-) but that's all about tradition.

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Roger,

Being humble would probably mean asking for only one of these 20inchers to
bles me this summer but being still young and a tad ambitious, I will ask
for at least a couple!

Regarding the fighting but, I realise how some people can be creative. well,
we all have our qualities, this is not one of mine. The techies might say it
could upset the balance of the rod...
Off to Wales for sea trout this week end and then to Ireland in the week to
fish the Suir for brownies.

Tightlines
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I just thought I'd post on something that I was asked about at Penns.
Someone asked me about the fact that I had put a fighting butt on my 4
weight.
I think the reflection was that I wouldn't need one on such a light rod
and
that it was too short anyway.
Actually, this might just be a good idea for any rod, without the notion
that you'd ever need it as a fighting butt.
I put it there simply because every time I lean my rod against anything
the
reel is bound to touch ground.
Scratch marks on the reel can seem as only a cosmetic thing, but if you
get
a scratch mark on the inside of the edge of the spool it will inevitably
affect the coating of the line. Scratched aluminium is sharp.
What I do is I put a very short fighting but on all my light rods and a
longer one on heavier rods.
The longer ones will protect the reel as well as working as a fighting
butt
while the shorter ones (about 1 1/4 inch) are there only to protect the
reel.
A friend of mine once asked me how I could keep my reels in such good
shape
over the years, so I showed him.
I ended up putting the same fighting butts on his rods as well as another
friend's rods.
Think about it, such a short fighting butt won't be in the way and it will
lengthen the lifespan of your reels.
AND, with the cost of those reels you'd likely want to expand the lifespan
on them.

BTW, I went fishing for Arctic char in the mountains with some friends. We
caught 14 and kept 2 for late dinner (2 am) by the creek (midnight sun and
all). This one was caught by me and was 19 inches
http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran3.JPG and one of those that we
kept.
Here's a 20 inch fish http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran1.JPG
(released) and a 16 inch one http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran2.JPG
(also kept for dinner).
They're pretty fish the Arctic char, and tasty.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime fly fisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://www.imsoc.se/angler/ for info on fly
fishing in northern Sweden, Lapland,
or visit http://www.imsoc.se/ffgallery/ , the fly fishermen's gallery.

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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Roger,

Being humble would probably mean asking for only one of these 20inchers to
bles me this summer but being still young and a tad ambitious, I will ask
for at least a couple!

That's the spirit!

Regarding the fighting but, I realise how some people can be creative.
well,
we all have our qualities, this is not one of mine. The techies might say
it
could upset the balance of the rod...

Nope, the butt doesn't weigh enough.

Tightlines
Jerome

/Roger

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Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-)

Roger Why not?

Roger How much do you think 1 1/4 inch of cork butt weighs? Anyway,
Roger I've gotten so used to never having to think about not damaging
Roger the reel that I wouldn't want to be without it. To each his
Roger own, but I still think it's a good idea.

A couple of weeks ago I saw a guy using the tiny fighting butt of his
9' 6wt rod to perform two-handed spey casts with his one-handed rod in
a very tight space. (This guy is a really good caster.) It looks
really cool and weird at the same time.

BTW, are your fighting butts detachable?

--
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Off to Wales for sea trout this week end and then to Ireland in the week
to
fish the Suir for brownies.

Frog; I'm just going to miss you!! I'm going to be in Wales on Tuesday! Any
chance of crossing paths: I'll be there from Tuesday until Sunday?
Where are you casting for sewin?

--riverman

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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-)

Roger Why not?

Roger How much do you think 1 1/4 inch of cork butt weighs? Anyway,
Roger I've gotten so used to never having to think about not damaging
Roger the reel that I wouldn't want to be without it. To each his
Roger own, but I still think it's a good idea.

A couple of weeks ago I saw a guy using the tiny fighting butt of his
9' 6wt rod to perform two-handed spey casts with his one-handed rod in
a very tight space. (This guy is a really good caster.) It looks
really cool and weird at the same time.

BTW, are your fighting butts detachable?


Yep!

/Roger

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About a decade ago I built a Fisher 4 piece 4 weight and put a fighting butt on
it. I like it. Keeps me from getting sand in my reel when I lean it against a
tree. I don't wear a vest as it is too damn hot for summer use when it is ofter
over 100 degrees F.

Big Dale

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Hey Myron,

Unfortunately I cannot extend my stay as I leave home again on Wednesday to
Ireland but we will have plenty of time to meet during the Swedish Clave! I
am looking forward to a very cosmopolite bunch.
I am taking 3 other frogs to the river Teifi in the Llandysul area. I have
been going there for a number of years and the sewin are hard enough for me
to catch without building up some knowledge of one fishing area. As Bill
Grey and others have probably advised, you should try and fish the Teifi but
also the Towy and the Cothi its tributary. If you have the inclination and
the money, you may fish private beats like the Golden Grove Estate or
Abercothi Estate where you will have the river for you. At peak times,
associations waters can get busy.

If you run into trouble during your week or want a few adresses (such as the
above mentionned), email me back and I will send my mobile number.. I know a
few B&B's near Llandysul and places where to buy tickets. I am a
spring-chicken at sewin fishing but will gladly share the little I know.
Some of it is actually there but in French only
http://www.echosmouche.com/article.php3?id_article=358

Tightlines & welcome to Wales. You should find the Welsh are a very nice
bunch!
Jerome
PS I hope you realize the best of the fishing is going to be at night?

riverman wrote in message
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...

Off to Wales for sea trout this week end and then to Ireland in the week
to
fish the Suir for brownies.

Frog; I'm just going to miss you!! I'm going to be in Wales on Tuesday!
Any
chance of crossing paths: I'll be there from Tuesday until Sunday?
Where are you casting for sewin?

--riverman

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Frank Church wrote:

"fish.iddx.net" wrote in
:

Put a fightbutt on my light crispy SLT 8' #4 ? No way! :-) When you
buy a descent reel (sage or waterworks ie.) you get a nice neoprene
casing for your reel. I use that when i put my rod down on the ground,
or place my rod where the surface is plain grass without sand and
pebbles.

Fightingbutts are for fighting fish, and not for reel protection imho.
But be my guest :oÞ


....whenever I need to set my rod down (yes, even the kposes) if there
ain't some nice soft grass nearby I just take my hat off lay it down and
put the butt in there...works for me.

Frank the careful

Looks like I'm more abusive with my equipment than most of you guys, but
then having "nice" possessions doesn't do much for me. I don't care how
my equipment looks, but I do care about how it works. Roger's idea is a
sensible one (but I don't think I want a fighting butt on a four
weight). I like uplocking reel seats for the same reason. In addition to
the advantage of putting the reel closer to your hand, an uplocking reel
seat also helps keep the reel out of the sand and dirt.

I do expect my equipment to take some abuse without any serious damage.
When I feel like I'm going to fall, especially in rocky areas, I throw
my rod so I can fall "better." I'd rather hurt my rod and reel than
myself. Although I've put dings in my reels that way, the only ones
that I've had any "reel" damage with are those with modeled aluminum parts.

That brings up falling. Over the years I fallen countless numbers of
times. I seldom fall when I'm in the water. Almost all my falls are on
the edge of the stream or river. The gradients there are often steep and
there tends to be lots of loose material and mud. Although I do tend to
fall quite often, more than most people I think, I've never hurt myself
fishing other than a couple scrapes. What I have learned to do is fall
"gracefully". IMO, if you go with the fall and free your hands, you are
going to be far less likely to hurt yourself than if you fight the fall.
IMO, fighting a fall is how you tear, rip and strain things. MOST times,
falls aren't a big deal. Unless you're a giant, you're not falling very
far. (Being ROFF I think I have to add that, of course, there are
situations when falling is VERY dangerous or even life threatening and I
recommend that you DON'T go with the fall in these situations.)

Willi

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TheFrog At peak times, associations waters can get busy.

....

TheFrog PS I hope you realize the best of the fishing is going to be
TheFrog at night?

Just curious: are these waters crowded at night?

--
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Yep, some people, the most hooked on, fish all night. The morning sunrise is
actually a very good time and I remember seing the river awaken after a
quiet night.
Just like salmon, the sewin have known lies and the locals do not miss an
opportunity when water conditions are right. The season ticket is relatively
affordable and therefore banks can get busy after a spate or in the heart of
summer. You then have to take turn to fish pools but frankly I usually
prefer to walk away and find a lesser known spot on my own.

Jerome
Jarmo Hurri wrote in message
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TheFrog At peak times, associations waters can get busy.

...

TheFrog PS I hope you realize the best of the fishing is going to be
TheFrog at night?

Just curious: are these waters crowded at night?

--
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Hey Myron,


If you run into trouble during your week or want a few adresses (such as
the
above mentionned), email me back and I will send my mobile number.. I know
a
few B&B's near Llandysul and places where to buy tickets. I am a
spring-chicken at sewin fishing but will gladly share the little I know.

Jerome: check your email!

--riverman

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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

I just thought I'd post on something that I was asked about at Penns.
Someone asked me about the fact that I had put a fighting butt on my 4
weight.
I think the reflection was that I wouldn't need one on such a light rod
and
that it was too short anyway.

Uhhh..not a bad idea to to have one just in case you do bump into a nice
one. This does happen...I can remember someone bumping into to one in an
unnamed location at Penn's Clave a few years back, and he could have used
all of the help he could get.

Actually, this might just be a good idea for any rod, without the notion
that you'd ever need it as a fighting butt.
I put it there simply because every time I lean my rod against anything
the
reel is bound to touch ground.
Scratch marks on the reel can seem as only a cosmetic thing, but if you
get
a scratch mark on the inside of the edge of the spool it will inevitably
affect the coating of the line. Scratched aluminium is sharp.

Yeah, but just go over the gear periodically and smooth out the rough edges,
not that I've had to from putting the rod down on the ground gently. I'm no
engineer, but I do find it difficult to comprehend how a significant scratch
can occur from leaning the rod up against something. I can see that it
would be nice to keep debris out of reel all together, so that in itself
would seem to be a good reason to do so, or the uplocking reel seat as Willi
pointed out.


Think about it, such a short fighting butt won't be in the way and it will
lengthen the lifespan of your reels.
AND, with the cost of those reels you'd likely want to expand the lifespan
on them.


I'm not really worried about the cosmetic appearance of my gear, as long as
they are in good working order. As for the life of the reel, it's been my
experience so far, that I tend to wear them out before anything else goes
wrong. I have some different experiences with Waders (need to get some of
those wader socks next time around), and rods themselves (only one problem,
and I couldn't control my buddy's driving..) but if I paid a lump sum for
one them fancy, dancy, reels that cost more then my mortgage payment, I may
change my tune just a bit.

BTW, I went fishing for Arctic char in the mountains with some friends. We
caught 14 and kept 2 for late dinner (2 am) by the creek (midnight sun and
all). This one was caught by me and was 19 inches
http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran3.JPG and one of those that we
kept.
Here's a 20 inch fish http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran1.JPG
(released) and a 16 inch one http://hem.passagen.se/alvsajtn/ransaran2.JPG
(also kept for dinner).
They're pretty fish the Arctic char, and tasty.

Nice looking fish, and checked out the picture galley, some cool stuff in
there also. May have to get motivated and come back your way to visit the
homelands of my recent ancestors, and to partake in some of your fine
fishing.

I didn't bring a camera to Penn's this time around, but the pictures are
still vivid even though no one else can view them. I think video would be
in order to record that precise long cast, or that late night ballad that
really was quite good (it fell on drunken ears..), but I should have had the
camera for some of the fih shots. Next time, maybe I'll have some from
Montana. I'll look Bruce up to see if he can contribute with some of those
Mayfly shots he shared.

Mike