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o.k., let me say a few things about my post.
first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely in fun-related to joking around that took place at work. secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, even with the few responses i have seen thus far. certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't. happy fly fishin- snake |
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snakefiddler wrote:
o.k., let me say a few things about my post. first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely in fun-related to joking around that took place at work. secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, even with the few responses i have seen thus far. certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't. happy fly fishin- snake Don't worry about it. The flyfishing community (if there is such a thing) is worse than the church. Everybody has his personal list of commandments (thou shall not fish anything that sinks, for example) and some of us are worse than Jehova's in spreading their word. Do what you like, the main thing about (fly)fishing is to have fun, whatever you tie on and however you fish it. I even fish maggots on a flyrod if it delivers the goods, and I couldn't care less if it's called flyfishing or not. -- take care, Herman |
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"Herman Nijland" wrote in message ... I even fish maggots on a flyrod if it delivers the goods, and I couldn't care less if it's called flyfishing or not. WHAT??? Have you no morals, man? No ETHICS??? --riverman |
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snakefiddler wrote:
... i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, ... Yes Daisy Mae, this is a sensitive subject. My experience is fairly typical of most American fly fishermen before "The Movie". I started fishing as a child with a cane pole, a worm, and a red & white bobber, then graduated to a Zebco 33 closed face spinning reel then a Garcia Mitchell spinning rig and finally, when I was 11, my dad gave me one of his old fly rods. The whole progression is one of increasingly difficult to acquire skill sets with fly fishing as the pinnacle. Many of us who came to fly fishing in this way consider fly fishing to be not just one way of fishing, but the best way and the most difficult to master. Are we elitists to believe this ? Well, I am. I am an elite among fishermen and it would be ridiculous to deny it. Some of the folks on this newsgroup are elite fishermen but cannot bear the thought of being labeled an elitist. That's a useful distinction for some, by the way, the distinction between an elite and an elitist, but for me it's a distinction with little difference. Your chucklehead friends are jealous of fly fishermen and that's pretty much the natural order of things. Let them be jealous. There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist fisherman. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Herman Nijland wrote:
snip I even fish maggots on a flyrod if it delivers the goods, and I couldn't care less if it's called flyfishing or not. Well, FYI, it's not, it's called bait fishing. There's nothing wrong with that, where legal, but it lacks a certain je ne sais quoi that real fly fishing has in abundance. If you want to fish with bait, where legal, that's cool. I enjoy sitting in a lawn chair, Budweiser at the elbow, waiting for the tip of my rod to move ever so slightly when a catfish takes the big gob of worms I've heaved out into the Mississippi River. But that's not fly fishing either and when I fish that way I've found that my feces is malodorous, whereas when I fly fish it is not. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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No Daisy Mea, this *is not* a sensitive subject, unless you are an anal retentive
asshole named Kenny Fortenberry. There is nothing ELITE about flyfishin', unless you have a swelled head and cowardly nature, like Kenny Fortenberry. Contrary to Kenny Fortenberry's opinion, most all endeavors of any worth are a "progression...of increasingly difficult to acquire skill sets with flyfishing [far] from the pinnacle." Few of us who came to flyfishin', for whatever reason, consider flyfishin' to be the best way of fishin' nor the more difficult to master than masturbation. Are we just everyday folks? YES WE ARE, including Kenny Fortenberry! And it is beyond ridiculous to think otherwise. This ain't rocket science, btw, unless your name is Kenny Fortenberry! Mark "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message .. . snakefiddler wrote: ... i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, ... Yes Daisy Mae, this is a sensitive subject. My experience is fairly typical of most American fly fishermen before "The Movie". I started fishing as a child with a cane pole, a worm, and a red & white bobber, then graduated to a Zebco 33 closed face spinning reel then a Garcia Mitchell spinning rig and finally, when I was 11, my dad gave me one of his old fly rods. The whole progression is one of increasingly difficult to acquire skill sets with fly fishing as the pinnacle. Many of us who came to fly fishing in this way consider fly fishing to be not just one way of fishing, but the best way and the most difficult to master. Are we elitists to believe this ? Well, I am. I am an elite among fishermen and it would be ridiculous to deny it. Some of the folks on this newsgroup are elite fishermen but cannot bear the thought of being labeled an elitist. That's a useful distinction for some, by the way, the distinction between an elite and an elitist, but for me it's a distinction with little difference. Your chucklehead friends are jealous of fly fishermen and that's pretty much the natural order of things. Let them be jealous. There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist fisherman. -- Ken Fortenberry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 5/28/2004 |
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Chester the Molester wrote:
No Daisy Mea, this *is not* a sensitive subject,... Hey Chester, go crawl back under your rock. Crazy cracker filth like you ain't never been fit to be in the company of decent sportsmen. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Herman Nijland wrote: snip I even fish maggots on a flyrod if it delivers the goods, and I couldn't care less if it's called flyfishing or not. Well, FYI, it's not, it's called bait fishing. There's nothing wrong with that, where legal, but it lacks a certain je ne sais quoi that real fly fishing has in abundance. I know. It's just called fishing in my book. I love to fish dries to a rising trout. I also love casting streamers for bass, and I get a kick of taking the kids fishing with a long pole with bobber and maggots for whatever fish. I must admit that the maggots on a flyrod were a bit of a troll :-). It is rare that I get the chance to fish a nice river for trout and grayling, so I make do with what's there. In my case it's the river Rhine, which has been heavily polluted until some twenty years ago. The fish stocks are not bad, there are all kinds of coarse fish around, and even the odd seatrout or salmon if you're extremely utterly lucky. Fishing small streamers can produce anything from rudd, roach or ide to yellow perch, asp, pike and zander. Not 'offical gamefish' at all, but so effin' hard to fool so now and then with fur and feather. I love to catch them on fly, but I don't want to be limited to that. I gave up on being a flyfisher. I am a fisher, there's way too much fun to be had to stick to upstream dry fly only or whatever mental rulebook. If you want to fish with bait, where legal, that's cool. I enjoy sitting in a lawn chair, Budweiser at the elbow, waiting for the tip of my rod to move ever so slightly when a catfish takes the big gob of worms I've heaved out into the Mississippi River. But that's not fly fishing either and when I fish that way I've found that my feces is malodorous, whereas when I fly fish it is not. ;-) Whatever rocks your boat. Basically, I think we don't even disagree. Much. Still, I doubt that the fish will notice the difference :-). -- Herman |
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riverman wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message ... I even fish maggots on a flyrod if it delivers the goods, and I couldn't care less if it's called flyfishing or not. WHAT??? Have you no morals, man? No ETHICS??? --riverman Everybody has morals and ethics. It's only the difference between them that makes it interesting :-). -- Herman |
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"All but one man died
There at Bitter Creek And they say he ran away. Branded, marked with a coward's shame, What do you do when you're branded, Will you fight for your name?" Mark --the real Oct. Surprise!-- Captain Jason McCord wrote in message ... Hey Chester, go crawl back under your rock. Crazy cracker filth like you ain't never been fit to be in the company of decent sportsmen. -- Ken Fortenberry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 5/28/2004 |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
snakefiddler wrote: ... i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, ... Yes Daisy Mae, this is a sensitive subject. Only if you're sensitive to being called on your BS. [snip the Farting Fairy's condensed personal fishing history] Are we elitists to believe this ? Well, I am. I am an elite among fishermen and it would be ridiculous to deny it. Ah, you can smell the humility from here. Some of the folks on this newsgroup are elite fishermen but cannot bear the thought of being labeled an elitist. That's a useful distinction for some, by the way, the distinction between an elite and an elitist, but for me it's a distinction with little difference. I'm uncertain, but I believe that the difference has something to do with the relative position of one's nose in relationship to one's bloated ego. In Ken's case, his bloated ego keeps his nose pointed upwards at the proper fly fishing angle. Trouble is, sometimes he has a hard time seeing the surface of the water. Your chucklehead friends are jealous of fly fishermen and that's pretty much the natural order of things. Let them be jealous. There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist fisherman. What a crock. I was an angler for many many years without jealousy and I seriously doubt that my bait slingin' neighbor spends any of his precious mental effort coveting my preferred angling style. The only thing wrong with thinking that you are better than the unwashed hordes is that, well, you aren't. 'Natural order'. Ha! The 'Natural order' often results in the humiliating public failure of the overly pompous. Hence Ken's hesitance to actually show up at a clave and fish where his 'elite' angling skills can be properly demonstrated. He's probably keeping secrets--elite fly fishing secrets--from the rest of us. Watch that nose angle, Tom G -- email:remove tt "The majority of the stupid is invincible and gua&teed for all time." Albert Einstein |
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"Tom G" wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: snakefiddler wrote: ... i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, .... Yes Daisy Mae, this is a sensitive subject. Only if you're sensitive to being called on your BS. [snip the Farting Fairy's condensed personal fishing history] Are we elitists to believe this ? Well, I am. I am an elite among fishermen and it would be ridiculous to deny it. Ah, you can smell the humility from here. yeah, butchya can't smell the *fecies*, because, as we all now know, becasue of forty's elite fly fishin skills, his don't stink.......... Some of the folks on this newsgroup are elite fishermen but cannot bear the thought of being labeled an elitist. That's a useful distinction for some, by the way, the distinction between an elite and an elitist, but for me it's a distinction with little difference. I'm uncertain, but I believe that the difference has something to do with the relative position of one's nose in relationship to one's bloated ego. In Ken's case, his bloated ego keeps his nose pointed upwards at the proper fly fishing angle. Trouble is, sometimes he has a hard time seeing the surface of the water. Your chucklehead friends are jealous of fly fishermen and that's pretty much the natural order of things. Let them be jealous. There's not a thing in the world wrong with being an elitist fisherman. What a crock. I was an angler for many many years without jealousy and I seriously doubt that my bait slingin' neighbor spends any of his precious mental effort coveting my preferred angling style. so right. they, and i, just enjoy a littel back and forth, and this just happened to be fodder. The only thing wrong with thinking that you are better than the unwashed hordes is that, well, you aren't. 'Natural order'. Ha! The 'Natural order' often results in the humiliating public failure of the overly pompous. Hence Ken's hesitance to actually show up at a clave and fish where his 'elite' angling skills can be properly demonstrated. He's probably keeping secrets--elite fly fishing secrets--from the rest of us. Watch that nose angle, Tom G -- well said- snakefiddler email:remove tt "The majority of the stupid is invincible and gua&teed for all time." Albert Einstein |
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"snakefiddler" wrote in message ... o.k., let me say a few things about my post. first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely in fun-related to joking around that took place at work. secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, even with the few responses i have seen thus far. certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't. If that's an apology, we don't tolerate that here. .. . . and since WHEN have you worried about broaching a sensitive subject? ;-) -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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In article UpOyc.36273$HG.3287@attbi_s53,
lid says... If that's an apology, we don't tolerate that here. I would rather have a full body massage from Cindy Crawford than apologize on roff. Kevin |
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"Tim J." wrote in message news:UpOyc.36273$HG.3287@attbi_s53... "snakefiddler" wrote in message ... o.k., let me say a few things about my post. first- i may have set a false tone by accidentally omitting my intended question mark in the subject heading. i was "asking a question" purely in fun-related to joking around that took place at work. secondly, i already have a feeling that this may be a sensitive subject, even with the few responses i have seen thus far. certainly it was not my intention to offend anyone, and i hope i haven't. If that's an apology, we don't tolerate that here. . . . and since WHEN have you worried about broaching a sensitive subject? ;-) -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj an apology my ass- nope- just a moment's introspection prior to returning my daughter to the home she shared with her so recently deceased boyfriend, and being concerned as to the road ahead of her. you see, i felt my mental energies should be steered toward the truly important subject at hand. therefore, it was an attempt to ward off any bull**** that i just didn't care to deal with. snakefiddler- an apology my ass ;-) and ****- seems most everything i post ends up beng a sensitive subject G |
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"Kevin Vang" wrote in message ... In article UpOyc.36273$HG.3287@attbi_s53, lid says... If that's an apology, we don't tolerate that here. I would rather have a full body massage from Cindy Crawford than apologize on roff. Kevin wow- the sacrifices some guys make :) |
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:02:15 -0500, Kevin Vang wrote:
In article UpOyc.36273$HG.3287@attbi_s53, says... If that's an apology, we don't tolerate that here. I would rather have a full body massage from Cindy Crawford than apologize on roff. Kevin Ladies and Germs, that was your POTW! /daytripper (damn! wish I'd thought of that! ;-) |
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"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
... I would rather have a full body massage from Cindy Crawford than apologize on roff. Kevin Yeah, man, I know what you're sayng. Her finger nails cut my back all to **** last time. |
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Tom G wrote:
snip harangue that proves the point Hence Ken's hesitance to actually show up at a clave ... Attend a 'Clave ? ME !?! And consort with common roffian riffraff ? Good gawd man, the mere thought of it gives me the heebie-jeebies and makes me feel like I should wash my hands. If the servants didn't have the day off I'd have someone bring me a Perrier and an aspirin. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Chester the Molester wrote: No Daisy Mea, this *is not* a sensitive subject,... Hey Chester, go crawl back under your rock. Crazy cracker filth like you ain't never been fit to be in the company of decent sportsmen. god, if i didn't know any better, i'd say this "tag, yer it" playalong is some form of wierd mating ritual. come october, i just may have to shackle both of you boys together and roll ya in to snowbird.... with only one fly rod. wally |
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walt winter wrote: come october, i just may have to shackle both of you boys together and roll ya in to snowbird.... with only one fly rod. ....perhaps you could add a cement block and a less pristine spot with deeper water? the tuckaseegee or tennessee? jeff (who's absotively posilutely certain some place other than graham/swain county, and some time other than october, would be more suitable for a chest-thumpin, testosterone pumpin, swaggerin, and harsh talkin gathering. i hear north dakota can be a fine venue for such activity in, say, january?) ps - and wally, speaking of ugly things, ya got my hinged-hip, trailin-hook leeches in the mail yet? |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
ps - and wally, speaking of ugly things, ya got my hinged-hip, trailin-hook leeches in the mail yet? thar in the mail ;-) hell no, i fergot.... will do monday. ya wanted the pink ones, right? wally |
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walt winter wrote: ..... will do monday. ya wanted the pink ones, right? hmmm... i think i saw some streams on a map of the park and metcalf wilderness in montana where i could use the pink streamer. ...fairy creek, no man creek, deadman creek (coffin fly only water?), lewinsky creek, beaver creek, purdy creek g, cherry creek... jeff (and yes, i saw "miller creek" over by the lamar on the southeast edge of the "mirror plateau") |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
walt winter wrote: come october, ... ...perhaps you could add a cement block ... Not to worry boyos. My 'Clavin' days are over. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: Not to worry boyos. My 'Clavin' days are over. ....too bad. the number of folks hereabout willing to walk a bit with me for a full day of fishing is dwindling... is it something i said? g jeff |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Not to worry boyos. My 'Clavin' days are over. ...too bad. the number of folks hereabout willing to walk a bit with me for a full day of fishing is dwindling... is it something i said? g No, it's the company you keep. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: No, it's the company you keep. ah... your ethnocentric concerns. i should have known. -- jeff |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:22:00 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: No, it's the company you keep. ah... your ethnocentric concerns. i should have known. 40 thinks being judgmental makes him an elitist when it simply makes him a bigot. -- Charlie... |
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Charlie Choc wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:22:00 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: No, it's the company you keep. ah... your ethnocentric concerns. i should have known. 40 thinks being judgmental makes him an elitist when it simply makes him a bigot. If you guys think trashing our National Forests is an "ethnocentric" quirk and that my refusing to associate with the kind of white trash who boast of it is bigotry, I ain't got much use for either one of you. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:55:26 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: If you guys think trashing our National Forests is an "ethnocentric" quirk and that my refusing to associate with the kind of white trash who boast of it is bigotry, I ain't got much use for either one of you. I doubt anyone really believes riding on logging trails is the basis of your dislike of Op, including you. -- Charlie... |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you guys think trashing our National Forests is an "ethnocentric" quirk and that my refusing to associate with the kind of white trash who boast of it is bigotry, I ain't got much use for either one of you. ....and, if you think trashing me by making stupid statements about the "company i keep" isn't ethnocentric - well, i ain't got much use for you either. don't you just love equipoise? jeff (knew i should have gone fishing today, too... or mowed the yard...) |
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Ken, you are going to die a very lonesome man, far lonelier than George.
Dave http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html |
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Charlie Choc wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:55:26 GMT, Ken Fortenberry wrote: If you guys think trashing our National Forests is an "ethnocentric" quirk and that my refusing to associate with the kind of white trash who boast of it is bigotry, I ain't got much use for either one of you. I doubt anyone really believes riding on logging trails is the basis of your dislike of Op, including you. The basis of my dislike isn't an issue. What's relevant is why I refuse to associate with the white trash cracker and why I don't have much use for those who do. And that is equal parts trashing our National Forests and illegally carrying a concealed handgun while fishing with me. As for what you believe, I really couldn't care less. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
... well, i ain't got much use for you either. don't you just love equipoise? Works for me. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken, you are going to die a very lonesome man, far lonelier than George. Why thanks, Louie. That's the nicest thing you've said about me in months. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:44:01 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: As for what you believe, I really couldn't care less. Just as well. I sure don't believe you, but that's nothing new. -- Charlie... |
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Damn Kenny, does this mean we ain't gonna get to do any bonding in Oct.?
Oh, btw, neither Jeff nor Charlie really likes to be in the presence of my company, but they ain't got a lot of choice when I just show up. Unlike yourself, they ain't afraid to attend 'claves. Mark --I was right, there ain't no God!-- "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message news:2G%yc.1562 ... Charlie Choc wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:22:00 -0400, Jeff Miller wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: No, it's the company you keep. ah... your ethnocentric concerns. i should have known. 40 thinks being judgmental makes him an elitist when it simply makes him a bigot. If you guys think trashing our National Forests is an "ethnocentric" quirk and that my refusing to associate with the kind of white trash who boast of it is bigotry, I ain't got much use for either one of you. -- Ken Fortenberry --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 5/28/2004 |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . .. Jeff Miller wrote: ... well, i ain't got much use for you either. don't you just love equipoise? Works for me. this is just like watching a bad car wreck, or being the first to arrive on the scene of a suicide. forty, the odor that is wafting out to chambana is that of finely built bridges, burning. yfitons wayno |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
this is just like watching a bad car wreck, or being the first to arrive on the scene of a suicide. Not to ruin a good simile or anything, but have you ever actually been the first to arrive at the scene of a suicide ? Trust me on this, this Usenet **** ain't NOTHING like it. forty, the odor that is wafting out to chambana is that of finely built bridges, burning. Finely built bridges don't burn. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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wayno observes:
forty, the odor that is wafting out to chambana is that of finely built bridges, burning. again....but, isn't that the beauty of ROFF? Let's face it, some people can stomp on their dicks until the cows come home, but most here are still able to forgive. I can't quite figure whether that phenomenon is more a tribute to the forgivers or a measure of the density of the forgiven, but it is a beautiful thing to behold. Tom |
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