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Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
I am considering a fly fishing holiday in the USA. Could somebody from
our USA trout fishing brethren direct me to some quality value for money fishing in the good ole US of A. I am particularly interested in small stream fishing (spring creeks?), stalking etc for wild species preferably using the dry fly. I would also appreciate any general info on effective fly patterns and associated entomology for the USA. Kind Regards Paul J. Kilbirnie Scotland |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Paul we need more to work with.
Holiday - how many days to fish or how much $ to spend fishing? Quality value for money - how do you define? Small stream fishing(spring creeks) - why small streams? Do you want to only catch small trout? Why fish for wild trout? Why prefer the dry fly? What are your trade-offs? Would you trade a wet fly for a 7 pound trout (steelhead)? Would you trade a U.S. Wilderness area mountain stream dry fly-caught Golden trout for a spring creek hatchery trout? Would you trade a guide and caught fish with stalking and maybe fish? Do you want to stick to the East or is it OK to come West. Good luck! John "merlin" wrote in message om... I am considering a fly fishing holiday in the USA. Could somebody from our USA trout fishing brethren direct me to some quality value for money fishing in the good ole US of A. I am particularly interested in small stream fishing (spring creeks?), stalking etc for wild species preferably using the dry fly. I would also appreciate any general info on effective fly patterns and associated entomology for the USA. Kind Regards Paul J. Kilbirnie Scotland |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Two states immediately come to my mind wrt spring creeks: Montana and Idaho. |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
"merlin" wrote in message
om... I am considering a fly fishing holiday in the USA. Could somebody from our USA trout fishing brethren direct me to some quality value for money fishing in the good ole US of A. I am particularly interested in small stream fishing (spring creeks?), stalking etc for wild species preferably using the dry fly. I would also appreciate any general info on effective fly patterns and associated entomology for the USA. There are several nice spring creeks in the western part of Wisconsin. |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
"bassrecord" wrote in message ...
Paul we need more to work with. Holiday - how many days to fish or how much $ to spend fishing? Reckoning on one week duration, i recognise that this is a pitiful period time to get a true feel for fishing in the USA, however due to domestic and job responsibilities its about the longest I can be away at any one stretch, I might be able to push to two weeks with an appreciable amount of persuasion in certain quarters. Quality value for money - how do you define? I would want to be paying no more than £5 to £20 per day for fishing obviously accommodation would be on top of this, although I would probably opt to camp. Would expect the water to have a good head of fish in it and to have a good prospect of regular activity. Small stream fishing(spring creeks) - why small streams? I just prefer the intimacy of smaller waters. Also in the context of a short duration holiday probably unguided, its easier to get to grips with a small water. Do you want to only catch small trout? Most cerainly not, some of the biggest trout I have caught have been out of small streams (no more than 20 to 30ft across and sometimes much less). However size is not the overriding factor, the hunt is just as important. Why fish for wild trout? Again this is just my preference. Although to tell the truth I guess there aint much difference between an overwintered stockie and the truly wild stock of the water. I guess my preference for wild trout fishing is mainly borne out of the 'put and take' fishery brigade which is so much a part of modern fisheries. Why prefer the dry fly? I just prefer this technique, it holds more fascination for me than wet fly or nymphing, although nymph fishing does come a close 2nd. What are your trade-offs? Would you trade a wet fly for a 7 pound trout (steelhead)? Would you trade a U.S. Wilderness area mountain stream dry fly-caught Golden trout for a spring creek hatchery trout? Would you trade a guide and caught fish with stalking and maybe fish? Most definitely a wilderness fisherman by preference. Although there is a level of anticipation when fishing with a guide, in that you are more or less guaranteed to catch (conditions prevailing of course), there is a mystery about being on an unknown water and I feel a greater level of anticipation. Of course by the end of the day that anticipation could wind up turning into sheer depression as you log yet another blank day, due to not knowing the correct patterns to fish, or where to look, but then that's all part of the 'art of fishing for trout with the fly'. If I wanted to just catch fish I'd drop off at the nearest 'put and take' fishery and lob lures on lead core lines with the rest of the stockie bashing brigade. As to Guides specifically, I am not sure of the price involved, perhaps you could provide some background here. Do you want to stick to the East or is it OK to come West. Location doesn't really matter. Although I have been reading up on the Spring Creek fishing in and around Wisconsin and Iowa with real interest. The main reason for this interest is that fishing the equivalent over here (chalkstreams in southern England) is a rather expensive prospect, anywhere between £50 to £250 per day and at the moment anyway my wallet does not stretch that far. The Spring Creek environment would also be a change from my normal fair which is Scottish spate rivers ('free stone' I believe would be your terminology). Kind Regards Paul. |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
.....publicly owned miles of streams and rivers. Spring Creeks are much
less common and many of them are privately held. For the privately held waters are they open to visitors at all? Do you have to pay a fee for a day ticket such as I would have to do in the UK, or is it simply a case of asking permission from the land owner? Paul. |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Svend Tang-Petersen wrote in message ...
Two states immediately come to my mind wrt spring creeks: Montana and Idaho. Svend, do you know of any specific river/stream names which I could follow up? |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Paul,
Thanks for providing more details. See below @@@ "merlin" wrote in message om... "bassrecord" wrote in message ... Paul we need more to work with. Holiday - how many days to fish or how much $ to spend fishing? Reckoning on one week duration, i recognise that this is a pitiful period time to get a true feel for fishing in the USA, however due to domestic and job responsibilities its about the longest I can be away at any one stretch, I might be able to push to two weeks with an appreciable amount of persuasion in certain quarters. @@@ The shorter your air flight, the more fishing time and the cheaper it will be. This means East coast or Canada's Maritime Provinces. Quality value for money - how do you define? I would want to be paying no more than £5 to £20 per day for fishing obviously accommodation would be on top of this, although I would probably opt to camp. Would expect the water to have a good head of fish in it and to have a good prospect of regular activity. @@@ To get away from people, i. e. "wild" fish you'll have to fly West or North from your East coast arrival airport, get to a destination city and rent a car and drive or a fish camp pick you up at the airport. Many fish camps or lodges offer non-guided fishing where they drop you off and pick you up Small stream fishing(spring creeks) - why small streams? I just prefer the intimacy of smaller waters. Also in the context of a short duration holiday probably unguided, its easier to get to grips with a small water. Do you want to only catch small trout? Most cerainly not, some of the biggest trout I have caught have been out of small streams (no more than 20 to 30ft across and sometimes much less). However size is not the overriding factor, the hunt is just as important. Why fish for wild trout? Again this is just my preference. Although to tell the truth I guess there aint much difference between an overwintered stockie and the truly wild stock of the water. I guess my preference for wild trout fishing is mainly borne out of the 'put and take' fishery brigade which is so much a part of modern fisheries. Why prefer the dry fly? I just prefer this technique, it holds more fascination for me than wet fly or nymphing, although nymph fishing does come a close 2nd. What are your trade-offs? Would you trade a wet fly for a 7 pound trout (steelhead)? Would you trade a U.S. Wilderness area mountain stream dry fly-caught Golden trout for a spring creek hatchery trout? Would you trade a guide and caught fish with stalking and maybe fish? Most definitely a wilderness fisherman by preference. Although there is a level of anticipation when fishing with a guide, in that you are more or less guaranteed to catch (conditions prevailing of course), there is a mystery about being on an unknown water and I feel a greater level of anticipation. Of course by the end of the day that anticipation could wind up turning into sheer depression as you log yet another blank day, due to not knowing the correct patterns to fish, or where to look, but then that's all part of the 'art of fishing for trout with the fly'. If I wanted to just catch fish I'd drop off at the nearest 'put and take' fishery and lob lures on lead core lines with the rest of the stockie bashing brigade. As to Guides specifically, I am not sure of the price involved, perhaps you could provide some background here. Do you want to stick to the East or is it OK to come West. Location doesn't really matter. Although I have been reading up on the Spring Creek fishing in and around Wisconsin and Iowa with real interest. The main reason for this interest is that fishing the equivalent over here (chalkstreams in southern England) is a rather expensive prospect, anywhere between £50 to £250 per day and at the moment anyway my wallet does not stretch that far. The Spring Creek environment would also be a change from my normal fair which is Scottish spate rivers ('free stone' I believe would be your terminology). @@@ Paul I sense a high probability of disappointment in your trip. Driving along and fishing a spring creek in some state after flying all the way over here may or may not work out for you. Why risk it? Why not lock in success before you come over here? In the U.S. we have Wilderness Areas usually in or near National Forests that exclude entry via motorized vehicles. Outfitters and pack stations via horses pack fishermen into these areas, drop them off and come back and pick them up 4 to 7 days later. Fishermen can camp in cabins or pre-pitched tents, do their own cooking and hike to nearby fishng waters. Canada has similar facilities in or near Provincial Parks. My son and I did this several years ago for Golden Trout in the Golden Trout Wilderness area near Kennedy Meadows in California's upper Kearn River plateau. See http://www.kennedymeadows.com/ for an example. Maine, Vermont and Pennsylvania have wilderness areas, see http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/U..._Area/main.htm Hope this gets you started. Good luck! John |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Paul,
Two additional sources for you. Trout Unlimited (TU) and Federation Of Fly Fishers (FFF) clubs and local chapters may have fish outs heading to Wilderness Areas and other areas which meet your needs and you may be able to invite your self to come along. Good luck! John |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
Svend Tang-Petersen wrote in message ...
Two states immediately come to my mind wrt spring creeks: Montana and Idaho. Svend, do you know of any specific river/stream names which I could follow up? The three by me are Depuy's (http://depuyspringcreek.com/), Armstrong's and Nelson's. You can find information on the last two at both www.dan-bailey.com and www.yellowstoneangler.com I don't think they have web-sites. A new client of ours (they purchased our lodge software) a little ways from me: http://www.mccoycattlecompany.com/ But, I think they will all be out of your price range. Depending what your dates are, you could be kept very busy fishing in Yellowstone National Park (near me). There even are some spring creeks there, but they're not as good as the pay ones I just mentioned. -pw remove astericks (*) from e-mail address (use paulwilliamson at spamcop dot net) ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
"merlin" wrote in message om... "bassrecord" wrote in message ... Paul we need more to work with. Holiday - how many days to fish or how much $ to spend fishing? Reckoning on one week duration, i recognise that this is a pitiful period time to get a true feel for fishing in the USA, however due to domestic and job responsibilities its about the longest I can be away at any one stretch, I might be able to push to two weeks with an appreciable amount of persuasion in certain quarters. As amatter of fact, a week is a pitiful period of time to get a true feel for any one of a staggering number of single counties in any number of states in the USA. Quality value for money - how do you define? I would want to be paying no more than £5 to £20 per day for fishing obviously accommodation would be on top of this, although I would probably opt to camp. Would expect the water to have a good head of fish in it and to have a good prospect of regular activity. I don't know what the exchange rate is, but 40-60 $US will buy you unlimited fishing for a year on public water in most states. Private waters (in those states where such exist) will require additional fees or permits but one can avoid them in ALL states and still have more than a lifetime's supply of excellent fisheries with good populations of fish. Location doesn't really matter. Although I have been reading up on the Spring Creek fishing in and around Wisconsin and Iowa with real interest. The main reason for this interest is that fishing the equivalent over here (chalkstreams in southern England) is a rather expensive prospect, anywhere between £50 to £250 per day and at the moment anyway my wallet does not stretch that far. The Spring Creek environment would also be a change from my normal fair which is Scottish spate rivers ('free stone' I believe would be your terminology). Interesting that someone in close proximity to the fabled chalk streams of England should be looking at our own humble offerings. Like you, I've spent a great deal more time on the free stone streams.....and I much prefer them. That said, the spring/limestone/chalk streams of southwestern Wisconsin have enjoyed an amazing resurgence in the last couple of decades. They are home to an incredible number of fish.....and BIG fish. Not surprisingly, they have also become very popular. Nevertheless, you will find easy access to a lot of good water without excessive competition from other fishers if you do a bit of research and drive around a bit. You shouldn't have any trouble finding numerous resources on the web, but feel free to email me if you need any specific information. I'm not as familiar with the area as some, but I should be able to help a bit. In the meantime, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources is a good place to start for information on which watersheds have trout in them. They publish maps of the entire state with the trout streams highlighted. It is available at: http://dnr.wi.gov/org/water/fhp/fish...utsalmon.shtml The vast bulk of the spring streams are in the southwestern third or so of the state. Particularly noteworthy are the watersheds of the Kinnickinnic, Rush, Willow, Kickapoo, and Timber Coulee. There are many other excellent streams but, as stated, I don't know all that much about them. Good luck. Wolfgang Kind Regards Paul. |
Spring Creek Trout Fishing in USA
for clarification, 40 to 60 dollars is for a year in that particular state.
Each state will sell you a license for a week or so for oh, 15 dollars. Do you guys have smallmouth bass over there? john "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "merlin" wrote in message om... "bassrecord" wrote in message ... Paul we need more to work with. Holiday - how many days to fish or how much $ to spend fishing? Reckoning on one week duration, i recognise that this is a pitiful period time to get a true feel for fishing in the USA, however due to domestic and job responsibilities its about the longest I can be away at any one stretch, I might be able to push to two weeks with an appreciable amount of persuasion in certain quarters. As amatter of fact, a week is a pitiful period of time to get a true feel for any one of a staggering number of single counties in any number of states in the USA. Quality value for money - how do you define? I would want to be paying no more than £5 to £20 per day for fishing obviously accommodation would be on top of this, although I would probably opt to camp. Would expect the water to have a good head of fish in it and to have a good prospect of regular activity. I don't know what the exchange rate is, but 40-60 $US will buy you unlimited fishing for a year on public water in most states. Private waters (in those states where such exist) will require additional fees or permits but one can avoid them in ALL states and still have more than a lifetime's supply of excellent fisheries with good populations of fish. Location doesn't really matter. Although I have been reading up on the Spring Creek fishing in and around Wisconsin and Iowa with real interest. The main reason for this interest is that fishing the equivalent over here (chalkstreams in southern England) is a rather expensive prospect, anywhere between £50 to £250 per day and at the moment anyway my wallet does not stretch that far. The Spring Creek environment would also be a change from my normal fair which is Scottish spate rivers ('free stone' I believe would be your terminology). Interesting that someone in close proximity to the fabled chalk streams of England should be looking at our own humble offerings. Like you, I've spent a great deal more time on the free stone streams.....and I much prefer them. That said, the spring/limestone/chalk streams of southwestern Wisconsin have enjoyed an amazing resurgence in the last couple of decades. They are home to an incredible number of fish.....and BIG fish. Not surprisingly, they have also become very popular. Nevertheless, you will find easy access to a lot of good water without excessive competition from other fishers if you do a bit of research and drive around a bit. You shouldn't have any trouble finding numerous resources on the web, but feel free to email me if you need any specific information. I'm not as familiar with the area as some, but I should be able to help a bit. In the meantime, the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources is a good place to start for information on which watersheds have trout in them. They publish maps of the entire state with the trout streams highlighted. It is available at: http://dnr.wi.gov/org/water/fhp/fish...utsalmon.shtml The vast bulk of the spring streams are in the southwestern third or so of the state. Particularly noteworthy are the watersheds of the Kinnickinnic, Rush, Willow, Kickapoo, and Timber Coulee. There are many other excellent streams but, as stated, I don't know all that much about them. Good luck. Wolfgang Kind Regards Paul. |
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