Best fishing line?
 

I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er reels.
I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)

QUESTION:
Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?

Here's my order of interest:
1. Will not tangle (curl up) - the grandkids will be using them as well
2. Will stretch - rather than break
3. The diameter of the line should be as small as possible for,
I guess about 15 pound or so line ...
I'm not really sure about the pound rating of the line. I guess
there is some compromise between line diameter & pounds -
but I do not know what that is. "I prefer to give up a few feet in casting
distance & have more line strength - just do not want that trophy to break
the line."

Here's a couple of links that I found.
I was unable to find a really good & objective review of fishing line.

Spider wi
http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/...splay/270.html

Fluorocarbon:
http://www.activeangler.com/articles.../invisible.asp

THANKS
Gene

Best fishing line?
 

Gene wrote: I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er
reels. I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)
QUESTION: Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?"

Gene, I fish almost exclusively sal****er except for an occasional trip for
sac-a-lait in some fresh water areas. I also fish with several guides in
coastal areas. I have had several guides tell me the best mono line is
Trilene Big Game. They find it has good abrasion qualities yet it still has
some stretch. They use this line every day taking both experience and
inexperience fisherman. It is not uncommon in this area for your line to
rub oyster reefs, pilings, oil or gas rig legs covered with barnacles or any
other underwater obstruction.

Now my personal preference is Power Pro braid line. Unlike Spiderwire it
does not bind into itself because of its shape. If I feel I need mono, I
tie on a mono leader.

If you never fished braid line, you need to realize that when setting the
hook, you do not have to pull back as hard. Braid line is more sensitive
then mono. You need to learn to tie a palmor knot because it is the best
knot for braid line as other knots will slip.

Sarge

Best fishing line?
 

THANKS, Sarge.

I have never used braded line.
I also fish the oyster reefs, etc. on the Texas Gulf
Coast - mostly at Port A.

In your opinion:
Which type of line is less likely to make a birdnest?
Which type of line will cast the farthest?

Thanks,
Gene




"Sarge" wrote in message
...
Gene wrote: I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er
reels. I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)
QUESTION: Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?"

Gene, I fish almost exclusively sal****er except for an occasional trip
for
sac-a-lait in some fresh water areas. I also fish with several guides in
coastal areas. I have had several guides tell me the best mono line is
Trilene Big Game. They find it has good abrasion qualities yet it still
has
some stretch. They use this line every day taking both experience and
inexperience fisherman. It is not uncommon in this area for your line to
rub oyster reefs, pilings, oil or gas rig legs covered with barnacles or
any
other underwater obstruction.

Now my personal preference is Power Pro braid line. Unlike Spiderwire it
does not bind into itself because of its shape. If I feel I need mono, I
tie on a mono leader.

If you never fished braid line, you need to realize that when setting the
hook, you do not have to pull back as hard. Braid line is more sensitive
then mono. You need to learn to tie a palmor knot because it is the best
knot for braid line as other knots will slip.

Sarge

Best fishing line?
 

That would have been a valid question in 1988, but this is 2004. Two words
is all it takes to answer that today: Power Pro.

--
Bob Rickard
(AKA Dr. Spinnerbait)
www.secretweaponlures.com
--------------------------=x O')))


"GeneS" wrote in message
...
I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er reels.
I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)

QUESTION:
Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?

Here's my order of interest:
1. Will not tangle (curl up) - the grandkids will be using them as well
2. Will stretch - rather than break
3. The diameter of the line should be as small as possible for,
I guess about 15 pound or so line ...
I'm not really sure about the pound rating of the line. I guess
there is some compromise between line diameter & pounds -
but I do not know what that is. "I prefer to give up a few feet in casting
distance & have more line strength - just do not want that trophy to break
the line."

Here's a couple of links that I found.
I was unable to find a really good & objective review of fishing line.

Spider wi
http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/...splay/270.html

Fluorocarbon:

http://www.activeangler.com/articles.../invisible.asp

THANKS
Gene

Best fishing line?
 

I went out with a guide salt water fishing in Sarasota Bay last year in
Florida. He used exclusively PowerPro. It was either 20lb or 30lb test.
He said it was less all around trouble to keep his customers happy. I would
have to agree. These high strength lines have small diameters which is an
advantage over mono. I have since switched to PowerPro for my freshwater
fishing and I really like it. I have also used Fireline with good success,
but I like the PowerPro better because it just looks better longer. The
only time I really consider using mono is for slip bobber fishing, but even
then, I still use the braided.

The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

Jeff

P.S. I have heard good comments about Stren braided line, but I do not have
experience with it. It is more expensive than PowerPro.

"GeneS" wrote in message
...
I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er reels.
I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)

QUESTION:
Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?

Here's my order of interest:
1. Will not tangle (curl up) - the grandkids will be using them as well
2. Will stretch - rather than break
3. The diameter of the line should be as small as possible for,
I guess about 15 pound or so line ...
I'm not really sure about the pound rating of the line. I guess
there is some compromise between line diameter & pounds -
but I do not know what that is. "I prefer to give up a few feet in casting
distance & have more line strength - just do not want that trophy to break
the line."

Here's a couple of links that I found.
I was unable to find a really good & objective review of fishing line.

Spider wi
http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/...splay/270.html

Fluorocarbon:

http://www.activeangler.com/articles.../invisible.asp

THANKS
Gene

Best fishing line?
 

Gene wrote:" In your opinion:
Which type of line is less likely to make a birdnest?
Which type of line will cast the farthest?"

Gene,

I personally am a power pro fan. I have used it on both baitcaster and
spinning reels. Using the power pro 12 LB. test on a Calcutta reel last
year I pulled in a 45 LB black drum that ran back and forth across the
oyster reef for 30 minute fight. I released the fish and rebaited with
another live shrimp and hooked up with a 33 LB. bull red over the same reef.
After another 20 minute fight, I boated the fish took a picture and released
it. I then looked at my line near the hook and it was just about to break
from the rubbing against the oyster reef. Despite how frayed it got, I
still did not lose the fish. I feel that if I was using mono, I would have
lost the redfish.

I believe that birdnest problems comes from not setting the reel correctly
to the lure weight. The rest of the problems are usually operator error.

I never checked to see which cast the farthest since I am usually fishing
within 30 yards of where I want to cast.

Another tip when using braid line is to either back the reel with mono or
tape the line to the reel after you make your knot. Braided line is very
slippery and will not bite into the reel. This will cause the line to spin
around the reel instead of reeling in. Also make sure that the line is on
tight. Braid line must be reeled tight in order to prevent casting
problems.

When setting the hook, a slight lift of the rod tip is usually all it takes
to set the hook. I fish Carolina rig a lot with live bait. When I get a
hit, I usually wait to set the hook. A few seconds late, The fish comes
back and starts to swim off with the bait and that is when I set the hook.



As I stated before, I have several friends that are guides and they all
prefer Trilene Big Game. They state that it is the most abrasion resistant
of the mono. Most guides in this area carry spinning reels only. Mono is
cheaper then braided. More cost means less profit. It is not unusual for
the guide to have to pop the line several times a trip. So if he has to
keep replacing braid line before it time due to hang up then he is losing
more money with braided then mono.

Sarge

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"Jeff Durham" wrote in message
.. .

The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim.

I resemble that remark. Seriously, it has taken me some time to get used to
tying a palomar knot instead of a Trilene knot. I started tying trilene
knots for almost everything back in the late 70s when they were doing all
their promotions about winning money if you set a line test record etc....
I've only been tying palomar knots for a year. I still find myself starting
to tie a trilene knot when I get in a hurry.

Bob La Londe
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Members Automatically Entered To Win Free Tackle
http:///www.YumaBassMan.com

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The trilene is still my favourite knot, even for braid. I double the line
and do 3 turns Fireline and non coated braids, but power pro needs 7 turns.
the palomor has been less consistent for me and has had less breaking
strength.

Best fishing line?
 

Tie the double polomor knot with power pro, it will not break.


"Tilman Fliegel" wrote in message
...
The trilene is still my favourite knot, even for braid. I double the line
and do 3 turns Fireline and non coated braids, but power pro needs 7
turns.
the palomor has been less consistent for me and has had less breaking
strength.

Best fishing line?
 

"GeneS" wrote in message
...
I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er reels.
I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)

QUESTION:
Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?

Here's my order of interest:
1. Will not tangle (curl up) - the grandkids will be using them as well
2. Will stretch - rather than break
3. The diameter of the line should be as small as possible for,

Lots of comments about Power Pro, but you asked about mono. I haven't used
all the lines, but I believe Trilene XL will meet all three requirements.
Someone else who replied had bad experience with Trilene, but I've used XL
on and off for years and don't recall any breakages at all.

Best fishing line?
 

"Jeff Durham" wrote in message SNIP

The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

Jeff,

You can still use the improved clinch knot, all you have to do is make the
knot with SEVEN wraps around the main line. I use this knot all the time on
PowerPro and fish muskies without trouble.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Best fishing line?
 

Thanks Steve. I will give that a try. In fact, when I first used 14lb
Fireline for salmon fishing, I didn't know about tying a palomar knot so I
used the improved clinch. I did not have any problems with the knot giving
way with 20lb fish. The only time I had a problem is when I used the 6lb
Fireline where the knot slipped. I may not have put enough turns on it
especially since it was a smaller diameter line. I will definitely try that
again.

Jeff


"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Jeff Durham" wrote in message SNIP

The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

Jeff,

You can still use the improved clinch knot, all you have to do is make the
knot with SEVEN wraps around the main line. I use this knot all the time
on
PowerPro and fish muskies without trouble.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Best fishing line?
 

"GeneS" wrote in message ...
I plan to replace all the line on all my fresh & sal****er reels.
I'm still using the old open-face spinning & Ambassador baitcasters
for sal****er trout, reds & flounder - as well as bass in fresh water:-)

QUESTION:
Is there one good monofiliment type line that I can use for both
fresh & sal****er?

Here's my order of interest:
1. Will not tangle (curl up) - the grandkids will be using them as well
2. Will stretch - rather than break
3. The diameter of the line should be as small as possible for,
I guess about 15 pound or so line ...
I'm not really sure about the pound rating of the line. I guess
there is some compromise between line diameter & pounds -
but I do not know what that is. "I prefer to give up a few feet in casting
distance & have more line strength - just do not want that trophy to break
the line."

Here's a couple of links that I found.
I was unable to find a really good & objective review of fishing line.

Spider wi
http://www.hunting-fishing-gear.com/...splay/270.html

Fluorocarbon:
http://www.activeangler.com/articles.../invisible.asp

THANKS
Gene

Gene, I prefer Ande, but any of the good lines should work fine. I do
avoid the expensive lines for one simple reason, line doesn't last
forever, and the more expensive it is, the more people resist changing
it because of the cost. Even expensive line wears out, don't let a
prize fish that got away tell you it's time to change the line. Go
with a good line and change it every year or so, when it starts to
change color, fray, or tangle easily, change it.

John

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"Jeff Durham" wrote in message
...
Thanks Steve. I will give that a try. In fact, when I first used 14lb
Fireline for salmon fishing, I didn't know about tying a palomar knot so I
used the improved clinch. I did not have any problems with the knot
giving
way with 20lb fish. The only time I had a problem is when I used the 6lb
Fireline where the knot slipped. I may not have put enough turns on it
especially since it was a smaller diameter line. I will definitely try
that
again.

I use it on 8 pound PowerPro and it seems to hold quite nicely.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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Here is a suggestion before tossing the line out because it is frayed. Have
you ever removed all the line of the reel by spooling it onto another reel?
Basically what I am saying is to reverse the line. How many times have you
unspooled the reel while casting or fighting a fish? The line nearest to
the spool very seldom gets used. How many yards of line do you toss out
every time you respool your reels?

Sarge

Best fishing line?
 

Sarge wrote:
How many times have you
unspooled the reel while casting or fighting a fish?

Actually two, three, or more times a year this happens to me, mainly
because I back my drag off a bit more than most, this keeps me from ever
getting broke off, but I do get spooled, and when I have just a few
wraps left, I have to tighten up the drag, actually I start putting more
resistance as the line supply gets lower, put have had to choke it down
all the way near the end of the spool.

For me I need that backing to be as strong as the rest of the line.

I've had 325+ yds of 20# test strung out from the beach on quite a few
occasions, those 8 foot Bull sharks, can really spool the line off, and
from the beach, there is no running it down to get line back

This spring I caught a 11+ Hybrid strip on an ultra light rig ,and 6 lb
test, she spooled me three times (got were I could see the spool through
what little line was left on the reel), in that 43 min. fight

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

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Jeff Durham wrote:
The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

kinda after the fact as this thread is probably dead by now but if you
read this Jeff you might like it!

that's the other beauty of the palomer, you don't have to trim it, at
least I don't anymore. when you tie the knot, after you make your first
loop around the hook, lure or split ring, don't pull it down real tight,
snug is enough. with the loop end that you normally swing around the
lure, pull on one side or the other that corresponds to the tag end.
just keep pulling on it until the tag slides down to about a heavy 1/8,
1/4 or whatever you usually trim to, too short and it will pull out.
then, loop around the lure, and this time pinch the knot for safety if
the tag is real short but generally I don't even bother with this, and
proceed as usual. the thing pulls down as always but now the tag stays
the length you just adjusted it to and all is set to go, no cutting.

Best fishing line?
 

See, there is (cough cough) an advantage to smoking.

--
Bill
Chesapeake, Va


"dscotts" wrote in message
...
Jeff Durham wrote:
The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

kinda after the fact as this thread is probably dead by now but if you
read this Jeff you might like it!

that's the other beauty of the palomer, you don't have to trim it, at
least I don't anymore. when you tie the knot, after you make your first
loop around the hook, lure or split ring, don't pull it down real tight,
snug is enough. with the loop end that you normally swing around the
lure, pull on one side or the other that corresponds to the tag end.
just keep pulling on it until the tag slides down to about a heavy 1/8,
1/4 or whatever you usually trim to, too short and it will pull out.
then, loop around the lure, and this time pinch the knot for safety if
the tag is real short but generally I don't even bother with this, and
proceed as usual. the thing pulls down as always but now the tag stays
the length you just adjusted it to and all is set to go, no cutting.

Best fishing line?
 

IBNFSHN wrote:
See, there is (cough cough) an advantage to smoking.

say what????

Best fishing line?
 

Thanks for the info. I need more practice anyway with tying different knots
and I will give that a try with the palomar.

Jeff


"dscotts" wrote in message
...
Jeff Durham wrote:
The only thing I hate about braided lines is tying a palomar knot and
trimming it. I can tie an improved clinch knot in my sleep and mono is
always easier to trim. The braided stuff is difficult to cut. But hey,
that is a good thing! :-)

kinda after the fact as this thread is probably dead by now but if you
read this Jeff you might like it!

that's the other beauty of the palomer, you don't have to trim it, at
least I don't anymore. when you tie the knot, after you make your first
loop around the hook, lure or split ring, don't pull it down real tight,
snug is enough. with the loop end that you normally swing around the
lure, pull on one side or the other that corresponds to the tag end.
just keep pulling on it until the tag slides down to about a heavy 1/8,
1/4 or whatever you usually trim to, too short and it will pull out.
then, loop around the lure, and this time pinch the knot for safety if
the tag is real short but generally I don't even bother with this, and
proceed as usual. the thing pulls down as always but now the tag stays
the length you just adjusted it to and all is set to go, no cutting.

Best fishing line?
 

Jeff Durham wrote:
Thanks for the info. I need more practice anyway with tying different knots
and I will give that a try with the palomar.

I basically use braided lines and fireline, seldom any mono, except an
occasional leader and for very shy strippers in the river, so the whole
cutting the line is a pain in the ass, especially when your changing
lures like a crazy man some days as my eyes are going bad along with the
rest of my aging body. sharp knives, nail clippers, a good pair of
scissor, all have their little disadvantages and none the magic cure and
eventually your basically cutting, or more appropriately, ripping the
line in two - maybe those quote, unquote fishing line scissors are the
answer but one more gadget to carry on the water ... got enough crap?

all in all, the super lines are not a problem when your cutting off the
lure and can get some leverage, but a definite pain when tying on and
dealing with that small tag end and keeping waste to a minimum.
discovered this by accident one day, years ago, when I made the loop to
small to get the lure through and pulled on it out of frustration to get
it bigger then noticed by pulling on the other side reduced the tag end
and from there, like I said, no more cutting, at least while tying on
the lure which again is the biggest pain. while your practicing that
knot, give it a try, one less step and more fishing time, especially
when there on.