To Derek M. re' line clip
 

Blank..I know exactly what you mean re' not using the line clip in
conjunction with the BaitR..but as this will be my next reel for the
upcoming season, there will be times when i won't engage the B,Runner, and
will need a line clip..(or some other method..), for that cast, close to a
far bank, island etc. where the clip would have been ideal..But well done
because I recieved the reel for Christmas, and ever since I've been
thinking.."why the bloody hell is there no clip ?"..so you cleared that up
for me...nice one...An elastic band seems the best idea, by the way, I hate
bite alarms, and also set-liners layed asleep in their bivs, might as well
go trawling....Cheers Derek....FRED C


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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"fredcromer" wrote in message
...

for that cast, close to a
far bank, island.
------------------------------------------------------
That's put and end to my idea of marking the line.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , fredcromer
wrote:

upcoming season, there will be times when i won't engage the B,Runner, and
will need a line clip..(or some other method..), for that cast, close to a
far bank, island etc. where the clip would have been ideal..But well done

If you are casting to, or near a visible landmark you won't need any clips
or bands until you are casting so far that your direction is unreliable in
any case.

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Alex
wrote:

"fredcromer" wrote in message
...

for that cast, close to a
far bank, island.
------------------------------------------------------
That's put and end to my idea of marking the line.
Oh well back to the drawing board.

Not quite the same and a little off topic but it's quite helpful to mark a
fly-line when fishing for seatrout in the dark. The trick is to work out
(in daylight) a line you can wade by the feel of the bottom and then put a
blob of something you can feel on the line so that you can confidently cast
close to far-bank features on the black nights when they feed best.

So you were on the right lines.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

LMFAO!

Derek, I am sure there was absolutely no satire in that last post but must
prophecy.

So many anglers forget what is under that far bank is also under their own.
Or may well have been before they arrived and started stomping, cooking,
bivvying, phoning the wife etc...............

--
I smile and go off waving
(Amiably) - for that's my way

Baal

http://www.helden.co.uk
"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , fredcromer
wrote:

upcoming season, there will be times when i won't engage the B,Runner,
and
will need a line clip..(or some other method..), for that cast, close to
a
far bank, island etc. where the clip would have been ideal..But well
done

If you are casting to, or near a visible landmark you won't need any clips
or bands until you are casting so far that your direction is unreliable in
any case.

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

Mr perfect, If I flick a float out to an inaccessible bank, 10-15 yards
away, and happen to land it on the money,. why would I not need to clip the
line..I'm still waiting for a double, so the 2-4lb'ers won't always need
unclipping anyway..I know that you'd might fish in the particular place your
bait's dropping, bu I like to sit in the sun, away from the wind and enjoy
my recreational sport, (is that not what the rec. stands for?), and if a
cast is needed, then so be it, too sceptical man!!.FRED C
"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , fredcromer
wrote:

upcoming season, there will be times when i won't engage the B,Runner,
and
will need a line clip..(or some other method..), for that cast, close to
a
far bank, island etc. where the clip would have been ideal..But well
done

If you are casting to, or near a visible landmark you won't need any clips
or bands until you are casting so far that your direction is unreliable in
any case.

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

and too bloody pious. if the guy wants to fish the far bank, so be it. his
choice. if he wants to phone his wife, his choice. if he wants to read when
fishing, his choice. if someone else wants to lie in a bivvy waiting for the
alarm to go, his choice.

i'd, personally, rather eat worms than fish a match - 4 hours trying to
winkle a three inch fish out of a near-frozen canal isn't for me, but have
you seen what those lads can do with groundbait, fine hooklengths etc. it's
their choice, and we can all learn from what they do. this pointless
slagging of people who don't fish the same way you do is becoming an
over-worn motif of this group. just doesn't happen in the sea group.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , fredcromer
wrote:
Mr perfect, If I flick a float out to an inaccessible bank, 10-15 yards
away, and happen to land it on the money,. why would I not need to clip the
line..I'm still waiting for a double, so the 2-4lb'ers won't always need
unclipping anyway..I know that you'd might fish in the particular place your

I must be missing something here. Why on earth constrain the line when
fishing three rodlengths away? You should be able to drop onto a dustbin
lid with an underarm lob at that range.

bait's dropping, bu I like to sit in the sun, away from the wind and enjoy
my recreational sport, (is that not what the rec. stands for?), and if a
cast is needed, then so be it, too sceptical man!!.FRED C

Each to his own. In sunny conditions I'd prefer to walk the bank casting
into each fish-holding spot and save the sit down stuff for the winter
trotting season.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Dominic Lloyd
. uk wrote:
and too bloody pious. if the guy wants to fish the far bank, so be it. his

OK. Easier to walk round though. Polite too, if others are on the water.

choice. if he wants to phone his wife, his choice. if he wants to read when
fishing, his choice. if someone else wants to lie in a bivvy waiting for the
alarm to go, his choice.

If he's reading he isn't fishing and so should remove his tackle from the water.
Likewise if he is skulking in a bivvy and requires an alarm to notify him of
a bite he is camping, not fishing.

their choice, and we can all learn from what they do. this pointless
slagging of people who don't fish the same way you do is becoming an
over-worn motif of this group. just doesn't happen in the sea group.

Probably because such inattention is a sure way to lose rods to the sea.

Cheerio,

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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Dominic Lloyd" wrote in message
...
if the guy wants to fish the far bank, so be it.
-------------------------------------------
quite right! but as Derek said "Walk round and fish it", instead of
shouting across the lake from 100 yds "You are fishing in my swim"

choice. if he wants to phone his wife, his choice. if he wants to read
when
fishing, his choice. if someone else wants to lie in a bivvy waiting for
the
alarm to go, his choice.
---------------------------------------------------
What about the guy next to you who just want a bit of peice and quite?

this pointless
slagging of people who don't fish the same way you do is becoming an
over-worn motif of this group.
----------------------------------------------------------
If it makes just one modern day Carp fisherman see the error of his ways,
then it is far from pointless.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Alex" wrote in message news:...

"Dominic Lloyd" wrote in
message
...
if the guy wants to fish the far bank, so be it.
-------------------------------------------
quite right! but as Derek said "Walk round and fish it", instead of
shouting across the lake from 100 yds "You are fishing in my swim"

choice. if he wants to phone his wife, his choice. if he wants to read
when
fishing, his choice. if someone else wants to lie in a bivvy waiting for
the
alarm to go, his choice.
---------------------------------------------------
What about the guy next to you who just want a bit of peice and quite?

this pointless
slagging of people who don't fish the same way you do is becoming an
over-worn motif of this group.
----------------------------------------------------------
If it makes just one modern day Carp fisherman see the error of his ways,
then it is far from pointless.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

who the hell said anything about shouting, and where did 100 yards come
from??, the message said 20 yards,why not read the original before
commenting, mate!!
"Alex" wrote in message
...

"Dominic Lloyd" wrote in
message
...
if the guy wants to fish the far bank, so be it.
-------------------------------------------
quite right! but as Derek said "Walk round and fish it", instead of
shouting across the lake from 100 yds "You are fishing in my swim"

choice. if he wants to phone his wife, his choice. if he wants to read
when
fishing, his choice. if someone else wants to lie in a bivvy waiting for
the
alarm to go, his choice.
---------------------------------------------------
What about the guy next to you who just want a bit of peice and quite?

this pointless
slagging of people who don't fish the same way you do is becoming an
over-worn motif of this group.
----------------------------------------------------------
If it makes just one modern day Carp fisherman see the error of his ways,
then it is far from pointless.







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To Derek M. re' line clip
 

Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , fredcromer
: wrote:
:
:: upcoming season, there will be times when i won't engage the
:: B,Runner, and will need a line clip..(or some other method..), for
:: that cast, close to a far bank, island etc. where the clip would
:: have been ideal..But well done
:
: If you are casting to, or near a visible landmark you won't need any
: clips or bands until you are casting so far that your direction is
: unreliable in any case.
:
: For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to
: walk round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.
:
Yeah I've tried this one Derek but it has a tendency to frighten away
the fish when a six foot bloke with a pile of tackle is towering over
them....short of crawling on all fours (which I regularly do in
summer) sometimes the only way to catch margin-hugging fish is to drop
your bait on the bank and drag it into the water from a distance away.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"fredcromer" wrote in message
...
who the hell said anything about shouting, and where did 100 yards come
from??, the message said 20 yards,why not read the original before
commenting, mate!!
---------------------------------------
You are a matchmans dream, You certainly take the bait!

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Phil L
wrote:
Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , fredcromer
: wrote:

: For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to
: walk round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.
:
Yeah I've tried this one Derek but it has a tendency to frighten away
the fish when a six foot bloke with a pile of tackle is towering over
them.

g So don't.

Assuming you have a 12' rod you only need to stick the last 6" out over the
water which gives you (assuming a sensible butt length) at least 9' of
solid bank on which to keep your shadow as you keep the rod in hand. JUST
your shadow btw. You don't need much other tackle in these circs so leave
the mountain at home/in the car.

...short of crawling on all fours (which I regularly do in
summer) sometimes the only way to catch margin-hugging fish is to drop
your bait on the bank and drag it into the water from a distance away.

I don't think I've ever fished a carp water with banks that bare. I did
once catch a 15lb fish from a canal towpath with a hand held line when there
was no more than a foot of mono between my fingers and the hookbait; I
actually let it take about another foot before striking. In general it's
overhanging vegetation, even long grasses are enough, that attracts carp. I
expect it's a combination of the cover and the free insect meals that drop
in from time to time.

Cheerio,

--

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , Phil L
: wrote:
:: Derek.Moody wrote:
::: In article ,
fredcromer
::: wrote:
:
::: For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is
to
::: walk round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.
:::
:: Yeah I've tried this one Derek but it has a tendency to frighten
away
:: the fish when a six foot bloke with a pile of tackle is towering
over
:: them.
:
: g So don't.
:
: Assuming you have a 12' rod you only need to stick the last 6" out
: over the water which gives you (assuming a sensible butt length) at
: least 9' of solid bank on which to keep your shadow as you keep the
: rod in hand. JUST your shadow btw. You don't need much other
tackle
: in these circs so leave the mountain at home/in the car.

but this way, there is little or no chance of seeing the float, bread,
dog biscuit etc.......far better and easier to do it where possible,
from the opposite bank or across a small bay etc.

:
:: ...short of crawling on all fours (which I regularly do in
:: summer) sometimes the only way to catch margin-hugging fish is to
:: drop your bait on the bank and drag it into the water from a
:: distance away.
:
: I don't think I've ever fished a carp water with banks that bare. I
: did once catch a 15lb fish from a canal towpath with a hand held
line
: when there was no more than a foot of mono between my fingers and
the
: hookbait; I actually let it take about another foot before striking.
: In general it's overhanging vegetation, even long grasses are
enough,
: that attracts carp. I expect it's a combination of the cover and
the
: free insect meals that drop in from time to time.
:

Aye, but if you can land a chunk of bread on the grass/turf/gravel and
gently pull it into the water, it's more like it has come to rest
there naturally, caught up in the wisps of grass - I've caught
hundreds of fish this way, sometimes even having a hefty leger on to
get the extra distance.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Phil L
wrote:
Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , Phil L
: wrote:
:: Derek.Moody wrote:
::: In article ,
fredcromer
::: wrote:

: Assuming you have a 12' rod you only need to stick the last 6" out
: over the water which gives you (assuming a sensible butt length) at
: least 9' of solid bank on which to keep your shadow as you keep the
: rod in hand. JUST your shadow btw. You don't need much other
tackle

but this way, there is little or no chance of seeing the float, bread,
dog biscuit etc.......

OK, I'll give you a dispensation (just this once) You are permitted to move
forward to the point that you can -just- see the water surface below the
rod tip.

Aye, but if you can land a chunk of bread on the grass/turf/gravel and
gently pull it into the water, it's more like it has come to rest
there naturally, caught up in the wisps of grass - I've caught
hundreds of fish this way, sometimes even having a hefty leger on to
get the extra distance.

I don't dispute that it can be done. I just can't think of any local venue
where it would be possible.

Cheerio,

--

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , Phil L
: wrote:
:: Derek.Moody wrote:
::: In article , Phil
L
::: wrote:
:::: Derek.Moody wrote:
::::: In article ,
:: fredcromer
::::: wrote:
:
::: Assuming you have a 12' rod you only need to stick the last 6" out
::: over the water which gives you (assuming a sensible butt length)
at
::: least 9' of solid bank on which to keep your shadow as you keep
the
::: rod in hand. JUST your shadow btw. You don't need much other
:: tackle
:
:: but this way, there is little or no chance of seeing the float,
:: bread, dog biscuit etc.......
:
: OK, I'll give you a dispensation (just this once) You are permitted
: to move forward to the point that you can -just- see the water
: surface below the rod tip.

Nope - afraid it's not possible at a few of the waters I visit!!
The carp are very wary and want only the bread which is caught
underneath the overhanging grass, which means if it's more than six
inches away from the bank it'll stay there forever!
:
:: Aye, but if you can land a chunk of bread on the grass/turf/gravel
:: and gently pull it into the water, it's more like it has come to
rest
:: there naturally, caught up in the wisps of grass - I've caught
:: hundreds of fish this way, sometimes even having a hefty leger on
to
:: get the extra distance.
:
: I don't dispute that it can be done. I just can't think of any
local
: venue where it would be possible.

The ones in particular I'm on about are Bradshaw Hall in Bolton and
Manor Farm near Lancaster....both quite narrow lakes with very wary
fish - it's sometimes the *only* way to get a run.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , fredcromer
wrote:

snip

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

That may be ok were you fish but on some of my local waters (and very many
others around our country) you can't do that. You can't walk around to the
far bank, you can't take a punt/boat to them either (those days seem to have
passed). If you want to fish for the specimens that 'show' and 'patrol'
those areas you must cast to them. Sometimes that may be a fair distance
from a suitable _casting_ spot, and the techniques discussed in this and
another thread can be useful during both the day and night. Conversly the
techniques you have described, whilst good in certain (even many)
situations, would be next to useless at venues and in swims I have in mind.

Richard

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Phil L
wrote:
Derek.Moody wrote:
: In article , Phil L

: OK, I'll give you a dispensation (just this once) You are permitted
: to move forward to the point that you can -just- see the water
: surface below the rod tip.

Nope - afraid it's not possible at a few of the waters I visit!!
The carp are very wary and want only the bread which is caught
underneath the overhanging grass, which means if it's more than six
inches away from the bank it'll stay there forever!

In which case you don't need to see it. You will see ripples propagating
from below your rod tip and hear the take, then it's just a case of waiting
'til the fish takes (say) a foot of line from between your fingers before
striking. In this situation you don't have any loose line beyond the rod -
no line on the water either - but keep a loop in hand.

:: Aye, but if you can land a chunk of bread on the grass/turf/gravel
:: and gently pull it into the water, it's more like it has come to

: I don't dispute that it can be done. I just can't think of any
local
: venue where it would be possible.

The ones in particular I'm on about are Bradshaw Hall in Bolton and
Manor Farm near Lancaster....both quite narrow lakes with very wary

I don't know those waters. I presume they must be fairly manicured banks if
you can overcast and retrieve safely.

fish - it's sometimes the *only* way to get a run.

You don't want a run, no sense in giving the fish any advantage. Hit and
hold is the idea, maybe let the fish have enough line that you don't get
soaked but keep it's head up and fight it out within a rodlength. I have
done this fishing straight into lillybeds when the fish mustn't be allowed
any slack. Luckily you can use a strong line and the carp's first reactive
surge simply turns into an assisted jump...

Cheerio,

--

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Richard
wrote:

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , fredcromer
wrote:

snip

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

That may be ok were you fish but on some of my local waters (and very many
others around our country) you can't do that. You can't walk around to the
far bank, you can't take a punt/boat to them either (those days seem to have
passed). If you want to fish for the specimens that 'show' and 'patrol'
those areas you must cast to them. Sometimes that may be a fair distance
from a suitable _casting_ spot, and the techniques discussed in this and
another thread can be useful during both the day and night. Conversly the
techniques you have described, whilst good in certain (even many)
situations, would be next to useless at venues and in swims I have in mind.

You can always find objections and there may on occasion be places where it
isn't possible but most of the time it really is the easiest method.

It's -much- easier at night than any casting alternative, you need far less
gear and, compared to othe surface fishing methods, ducks are easier to
avoid.

Cheerio,

--

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Richard
wrote:

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , fredcromer
wrote:

snip

For fishing the far bank the easiest and most accurate method is to
walk
round there and fish directly beneath the rod-tip.

That may be ok were you fish but on some of my local waters (and very
many
others around our country) you can't do that. You can't walk around to
the
far bank, you can't take a punt/boat to them either (those days seem to
have
passed). If you want to fish for the specimens that 'show' and 'patrol'
those areas you must cast to them. Sometimes that may be a fair distance
from a suitable _casting_ spot, and the techniques discussed in this and
another thread can be useful during both the day and night. Conversly
the
techniques you have described, whilst good in certain (even many)
situations, would be next to useless at venues and in swims I have in
mind.

You can always find objections and there may on occasion be places where
it
isn't possible but most of the time it really is the easiest method.


Hi Derek ...... it isn't an objection it is just a fact. One of our club
waters is a 25acre pit. In about 45 swims you can't walk round to the far
bank. If you are going to analyse just the 'hotter' carp swims for specimens
of that species than the ratio is high ..... you can't walk round to the far
bank of about 75% of the swims.

I have another much smaller club water of about 3acres, and you can't walk
round to the far bank of about 85% of the swims.

I could go on but there is little point ..... it is as I say just fact
....... and fishing to a far bank like these is fairly common.

It's -much- easier at night than any casting alternative, you need far
less
gear and, compared to othe surface fishing methods, ducks are easier to
avoid.


I'm not sure about that bit either ....... I know some that can cast 'on the
spot' and into tight positions as far as surrounding trees etc is concerned,
time and time again. It depends what you are used to and what particular
skills you have developed. BTW, you just need a rod, line marker, line clip
and a far bank feature ..... at night you may need a torch for a few
moments. You are not constrained to fishing on the bottom either.

Stay well ....... Richard

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek ...... it isn't an objection it is just a fact. One of our club
waters is a 25acre pit. In about 45 swims you can't walk round to the far
bank. If you are going to analyse just the 'hotter' carp swims for
specimens
of that species than the ratio is high ..... you can't walk round to the
far
bank of about 75% of the swims.


----------------------------------------------------
Is this through natural location or choice.
If the latter, have a word with the committee, or owners and get the
"problem" solved.
I suspect that deep down the average carp fisherman likes to long cast. It
is all part of the image.

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

"Alex" wrote in message
...

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek ...... it isn't an objection it is just a fact. One of our club
waters is a 25acre pit. In about 45 swims you can't walk round to the
far
bank. If you are going to analyse just the 'hotter' carp swims for
specimens
of that species than the ratio is high ..... you can't walk round to the
far
bank of about 75% of the swims.


----------------------------------------------------
Is this through natural location or choice.
If the latter, have a word with the committee, or owners and get the
"problem" solved.
I suspect that deep down the average carp fisherman likes to long cast. It
is all part of the image.


Natural location 110% ..... and not necessarily a 'long' cast (assuming your
definition is the same as mine) with this or the other water I cited ......
just the way it is ..... Richard

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Alex
wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek ...... it isn't an objection it is just a fact. One of our club
waters is a 25acre pit. In about 45 swims you can't walk round to the far
bank. If you are going to analyse just the 'hotter' carp swims for
specimens
of that species than the ratio is high ..... you can't walk round to the
far
bank of about 75% of the swims.


----------------------------------------------------
Is this through natural location or choice.
If the latter, have a word with the committee, or owners and get the
"problem" solved.
I suspect that deep down the average carp fisherman likes to long cast. It
is all part of the image.

A long time ago now (When the proper colour for carp gear was still black)
we had a real problem on a smallish local water with a few selfish anglers
who took to occupying the three or four swims where you could get a car
really close and casting several lines each into every other swim on the
pond. They water was the only one close enough to town that the younger
members could get to it by bike but these selfish zombies simply refused to
let them fish - the old 'I'm fishing that swim' shout as mentioned before.

In the end we cured it by arranging a rota whereby the youngsters would
notify us each time the problem occurred and two or three of us, at least
one a committee member, would go 'pike spinning' with 25lb bs lines. When
the leads had been reeled in we let the youngsters set up. Once the lads
were fishing the carpers, those that stayed, didn't bother them.

A couple of times I simply crept up to the bank instead, poked a rod through
a bush and hooked a carp under the overhanging foliage with the same line.
It was astonishing how easy it was to do so so that the first the carpers
knew about it was the splashing of the fish and the alarms going off where
it had been allowed to run over their lines.

Those particular fish were suckers for a lively lobworm btw.

Cheerio,

--

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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Alex
wrote:

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek ...... it isn't an objection it is just a fact. One of our
club
waters is a 25acre pit. In about 45 swims you can't walk round to the
far
bank. If you are going to analyse just the 'hotter' carp swims for
specimens
of that species than the ratio is high ..... you can't walk round to
the
far
bank of about 75% of the swims.


----------------------------------------------------
Is this through natural location or choice.

Natural location .....

If the latter, have a word with the committee, or owners and get the
"problem" solved.

So as you understand that isn't an option

I suspect that deep down the average carp fisherman likes to long cast.
It
is all part of the image.


The situation is the same for all anglers that use the water not just carp
anglers. BTW most are not long casts and Ime carp anglers 'fish' to features
that generally produce carp ..... I think the same is true for the others
also. However, I have noticed that many carp anglers seem to for example
catch more specimen bream and tench compared to those that target those
species so maybe I make a false comparison.

A long time ago now (When the proper colour for carp gear was still black)
we had a real problem on a smallish local water with a few selfish anglers
who took to occupying the three or four swims where you could get a car
really close and casting several lines each into every other swim on the
pond. Snip

The clubs I belong to would just ban members who acted in this manner .....
they are not wanted.

Cheers ...... Richard

To Derek M. re' line clip
 

In article , Richard
wrote:

A long time ago now (When the proper colour for carp gear was still black)
we had a real problem on a smallish local water with a few selfish anglers
who took to occupying the three or four swims where you could get a car
really close and casting several lines each into every other swim on the
pond. Snip

The clubs I belong to would just ban members who acted in this manner .....
they are not wanted.

At that time there was a rule allowing the club to refuse to renew
membership but it couldn't be withdrawn except after a long, drawn out
formal procedure which took several months. The rules were changed later.

Cheerio,

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