Tying the Fly on??
 

Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in
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"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

hilarious; and just when ya thought that every possible question had
been asked...

wayno (sorry, but i don't know the answer, tony)




For a cinch knot, it should make no difference. I suspect it makes a huge
difference for a Turle knot, though.

I read somewhere before I was a fly fisherman that up through the eye was
better. I remember this because they mentioned that its easier to thread it
down through (with a TDE hook) so most fishermen were doing it wrong. Not
having the appropriate congnitive framework to assimilate that paragidm
meant that I was unable to encode the information in a manner that
effectively let me decode and recall it later, however.

--riverman
(Gotta get my head OUT of these education grad school classes!!!)

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"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

hilarious; and just when ya thought that every possible question had
been asked...

wayno (sorry, but i don't know the answer, tony)

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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in news:%uyEc.72957$2o2.4942273
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"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...
Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

hilarious; and just when ya thought that every possible question had
been asked...

wayno (sorry, but i don't know the answer, tony)




For a cinch knot, it should make no difference. I suspect it makes a huge
difference for a Turle knot, though.

Scott

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My fishing mentor and full-gospel life's work critic, pj, claimed i was
doing something wrong tying an improved clinch by threading bottom to
top (up from the bend of hook). I allowed (silently of course) as how
he was full of **** as the way the fly floated or the purchase of the
clinch knot were not affected by the threading direction. I'm sure the
bend of the eye and the particular knot may implicate a particular
direction for the threading process, but i don't think any of the knots
i tie on hook eyes (clinch, improved clinch, and palomar) are affected.

jeff

riverman wrote:

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in

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"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...

Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

hilarious; and just when ya thought that every possible question had
been asked...

wayno (sorry, but i don't know the answer, tony)




For a cinch knot, it should make no difference. I suspect it makes a huge
difference for a Turle knot, though.


I read somewhere before I was a fly fisherman that up through the eye was
better. I remember this because they mentioned that its easier to thread it
down through (with a TDE hook) so most fishermen were doing it wrong. Not
having the appropriate congnitive framework to assimilate that paragidm
meant that I was unable to encode the information in a manner that
effectively let me decode and recall it later, however.

--riverman
(Gotta get my head OUT of these education grad school classes!!!)

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Jeff wrote in
hlink.net:

My fishing mentor and full-gospel life's work critic, pj, claimed i
was doing something wrong tying an improved clinch by threading bottom
to top (up from the bend of hook). I allowed (silently of course) as
how he was full of **** as the way the fly floated or the purchase of
the clinch knot were not affected by the threading direction. I'm
sure the bend of the eye and the particular knot may implicate a
particular direction for the threading process, but i don't think any
of the knots i tie on hook eyes (clinch, improved clinch, and palomar)
are affected.

jeff

riverman wrote:

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Wayne Harrison" wrote in

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:


"Tony & Barb Vellturo" wrote in message
...

Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony

hilarious; and just when ya thought that every possible question
had
been asked...

wayno (sorry, but i don't know the answer, tony)




For a cinch knot, it should make no difference. I suspect it makes a
huge difference for a Turle knot, though.


I read somewhere before I was a fly fisherman that up through the eye
was better. I remember this because they mentioned that its easier to
thread it down through (with a TDE hook) so most fishermen were doing
it wrong. Not having the appropriate congnitive framework to
assimilate that paragidm meant that I was unable to encode the
information in a manner that effectively let me decode and recall it
later, however.

--riverman
(Gotta get my head OUT of these education grad school classes!!!)




I prefer my eggs broken on the small end.

Scott

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Scott Seidman wrote:
Jeff wrote in
hlink.net:


My fishing mentor and full-gospel life's work critic, pj, claimed i
was doing something wrong tying an improved clinch by threading bottom
to top (up from the bend of hook). I allowed (silently of course) as
how he was full of **** as the way the fly floated or the purchase of
the clinch knot were not affected by the threading direction. I'm
sure the bend of the eye and the particular knot may implicate a
particular direction for the threading process, but i don't think any
of the knots i tie on hook eyes (clinch, improved clinch, and palomar)
are affected.

I'll bet only a very small percentage of flyfishermen use a turle knot
(or similar type of knot). So why do nearly all dry-fly hooks have down
eyes? It doesn't make sense. A straight eye should work better. Is this
just a historical accident that has its own momentum? Do they come with
down eyes because people EXPECT down eyes?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:07:52 -0600, rw
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:
Jeff wrote in
hlink.net:


My fishing mentor and full-gospel life's work critic, pj, claimed i
was doing something wrong tying an improved clinch by threading bottom
to top (up from the bend of hook). I allowed (silently of course) as
how he was full of **** as the way the fly floated or the purchase of
the clinch knot were not affected by the threading direction. I'm
sure the bend of the eye and the particular knot may implicate a
particular direction for the threading process, but i don't think any
of the knots i tie on hook eyes (clinch, improved clinch, and palomar)
are affected.

I'll bet only a very small percentage of flyfishermen use a turle knot
(or similar type of knot). So why do nearly all dry-fly hooks have down
eyes? It doesn't make sense. A straight eye should work better. Is this
just a historical accident that has its own momentum? Do they come with
down eyes because people EXPECT down eyes?

I still use the turle knot because that is the first knot I was
taught by my father. It's a subtle reminder of him on the river. I
have in the last few years, tied more bugs on straight eye hooks just
because it is so much easier to tye a clinch at dusk :-)
Harry Mason
www.troutflies.com

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"rw" wrote in message
m...

I'll bet only a very small percentage of flyfishermen use a turle knot
(or similar type of knot).

Safe bet, I'd guess.

So why do nearly all dry-fly hooks have down
eyes?

Why not?

It doesn't make sense.

Why not?

A straight eye should work better.

For what?......and why?

Is this
just a historical accident that has its own momentum?

Could be.

Do they come with
down eyes because people EXPECT down eyes?

Maybe.....today. Forty thousand years ago?.......I'd guess not.

Wolfgang
ANOTHER night without sleep! :(

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Subject: Tying the Fly on??
From: Scott Seidman BRBR
Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)
BRBR
I prefer my eggs broken on the small end.
Scott BRBR
Thank you Dr. Swift.
Glenn
GKT

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Scott Seidman wrote:

I prefer my eggs broken on the small end.

hmmm...epicurian or hedonist? ...hmmm...

jeff (on the road philosophers=r=us)

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Wolfgang wrote:


Wolfgang
ANOTHER night without sleep! :(



and...if one was to seek the reason? i mean, beyond the obvious and
superficial stuff, of course... g

....and, just to add to the sleepless penumbra... when those healthy,
well-fed and well-hydrated reporters go out and about the sudan or other
such arid, starved locations to make their world-concerning reports for
the teevee devotees, do they take water and food with them or just fast
until they fly away to less austere environs?

jeff (shamed and consumed by his consumption, yet planning the next cook
out)

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:


Wolfgang
ANOTHER night without sleep! :(



and...if one was to seek the reason?

It's the quakes, man. :(

i mean, beyond the obvious and
superficial stuff, of course... g

Oh.....um......never mind. :)

...and, just to add to the sleepless penumbra... when those healthy,
well-fed and well-hydrated reporters go out and about the sudan or other
such arid, starved locations to make their world-concerning reports for
the teevee devotees, do they take water and food with them or just fast
until they fly away to less austere environs?

Well, I'd guess that most of them are pretty well fed and watered upon
arrival in whatever Godforsaken ********s they go to and thus, if the
thirsty and starving locals only realized it, they do indeed take food and
water with them.

jeff (shamed and consumed by his consumption, yet planning the next cook
out)

Mmmmmm.....pasties!

Wolfgang

Tying the Fly on??
 

jeff (shamed and consumed by his consumption, yet planning the next cook
out)

Mmmmmm.....pasties!

Wolfgang


Mmmmmm. *olive* pasties!


Danl

Tying the Fly on??
 

I still use the turle knot because that is the first knot I was
taught by my father. It's a subtle reminder of him on the river.

No matter how many times I've follwed the instructions, I can't seem to tie
a turle knot without gettingthe fly all goofed up in it... I'll have to have
you show me this puppy, Harry... maybe I can learn it the same way I learned
to whip finish by hand, by watching over the shoulder!!!

I have in the last few years, tied more bugs on straight eye hooks
just because it is so much easier to tye a clinch at dusk :-)

Yeah, well when my eyesight started failing badly due to the diabetes,
(which I've recovered much of by now) I was tying flies for dusk on
short sections (6-8") of leader with loops and then loop-to-loop
connecting them to the tippet!!!

Larry

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:46:14 -0700, "Danl"
wrote:


jeff (shamed and consumed by his consumption, yet planning the next cook
out)

Mmmmmm.....pasties!

Wolfgang


Mmmmmm. *olive* pasties!


Danl

I'm sorry, but olives in pasties are an abomination. Pasties are a
thing of great ethnic purity. :)
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:06 GMT, (Tony & Barb
Vellturo) wrote:

Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony


Not of any help, but I'm just so damn glad to get it through the eye
that I don't care which direction my fumbling fingers and tumbling fly
have come to be.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:06 GMT, (Tony & Barb
Vellturo) wrote:

Is there a preferred way to insert the tippet though the eye of the
hook depending on the type of fly? (Up thru or down thru the eye?)

Tony


Not of any help, but I'm just so damn glad to get it through the eye
that I don't care which direction my fumbling fingers and tumbling fly
have come to be.

true that! i'm gonna have to start bringing my reading glasses along with
me when i fish, and a flaslight for tying at dusk- had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so small; my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

plus, sometimes it can be a challenge to get to the eye through the fur
surounding it.




--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely
on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so small; my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims for just
such senior moments. I have relied on one for the past couple of years(after a
couple more years trying to kid myself that I didn't need such help).
Tom

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Wolfgang wrote:


Mmmmmm.....pasties!



gr... (that's a grimace)...
because i think it inhospitable to deny the experience to the unwitting,
perhaps you could bring a few or cook up a few in october for the gang?
i'll sacrifice the kitchen and offer the dining facility just to
observe the effects. all in the service of camaraderie and science,
donchaknow?

jeff (stomach churning...need ranitidine just from the mental image of
southern pasties)

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cold...just inhuman and cold!

jeff (and, there will be a reckoning...)

Danl wrote:

jeff (shamed and consumed by his consumption, yet planning the next cook
out)

Mmmmmm.....pasties!

Wolfgang



Mmmmmm. *olive* pasties!


Danl

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"Tom Littleton" wrotecom...
snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so small; my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims for just
such senior moments.

Nice things, those. I got a set from the Penns raffle that Mr. Reid contributed.
They really come in handy, especially in low light situations.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"Larry Medina" wrote in message
Yeah, well when my eyesight started failing badly due to the diabetes,
(which I've recovered much of by now) I was tying flies for dusk on
short sections (6-8") of leader with loops and then loop-to-loop
connecting them to the tippet!!!

Larry

IJ suggests---due to aged eyes I tried tying the small yellow dits they
call flies in Penn. onto a 12inch trailer behind larger indicator fly for
use at dusk. Carried each setup in a 35 mm film can and felt fully
prepared-------but the damm hatches came after dark and I couldnot see the
hook eye on the indicator.
Even got lost trying to return to the cabin along darkened trail--even thou
my fellow hiker had his gps and i am a certified indian guide.


but the clave was fun until Jeff ran over the town's pet duck.

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Indian Joe notes:

but the clave was fun until Jeff ran over the town's pet duck.

glad you enjoyed it, Joe. You should see how well the picture of Jeff's truck
came out on those Wanted posters they have plastered all over Millheim!!
Tom

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Joe McIntosh wrote:



but the clave was fun until Jeff ran over the town's pet duck.



uh...that duck committed suicide. i was an unwitting accomplice... as
were you, if i recall...

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrotecom...
snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so small;
my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims for
just
such senior moments.

Nice things, those. I got a set from the Penns raffle that Mr. Reid
contributed.
They really come in handy, especially in low light situations.


I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrotecom...
snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so
small;
my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims
for
just
such senior moments.

Nice things, those. I got a set from the Penns raffle that Mr. Reid
contributed.
They really come in handy, especially in low light situations.


I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?

--riverman



i would suggest keeping "empty" tippet spools, and wrapping pre-threaded
flies around one of those. you could purchase those cheap (and cheesy
looking) elastic yarn pony tail holders to keep them in place- but then, the
tippet spool probably already has that little slit for just that purpose.
maybe your friends could save empty spools, or if there is a guide service
near you they could hook you up?

snake

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 16:57:18 +0200, "riverman" wrote:


"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrotecom...
snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so small;
my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims for
just
such senior moments.

Nice things, those. I got a set from the Penns raffle that Mr. Reid
contributed.
They really come in handy, especially in low light situations.


I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?

--riverman


You, IJ, and others might wish to look into snelled hook
holders/carriers. You can buy the plastic, spring-loaded types for
about 2-3-4.00USD, so trying it out wouldn't be too much of a loss if it
didn't work out.

TC,
R

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"sohn" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...

I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader
on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?

--riverman

Would this work?

http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=17



Yeah, might. If I get the idea correctly, there are already several flies
already threaded onto the tippet, but not knotted. You pull the tippet
through the fly, snip it off between that fly and the next, and tie the
knot. You'd lose some variability with fly/tippet combinations, but if you
already know what patterns you're most likely to be using, you can have them
prethreaded.

I bet some sort of system could be done from a homemade rig. Thanks for the
link: anyone ever used something like this?

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Tom Littleton" wrotecom...
snakefiddler notes:
had to have my son
"thread" a couple flies for me this week because the eye was so
small;
my
increasingly compromised eyesight failed me.
damn old age! :-(

they make special magnifiers which clip onto the inside of hatbrims
for
just
such senior moments.

Nice things, those. I got a set from the Penns raffle that Mr. Reid
contributed.
They really come in handy, especially in low light situations.


I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?

--riverman

Would this work?
http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=17

Ron

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"riverman" wrote in message
...




http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=17



Yeah, might. If I get the idea correctly, there are already several flies
already threaded onto the tippet, but not knotted. You pull the tippet
through the fly, snip it off between that fly and the next, and tie the
knot. You'd lose some variability with fly/tippet combinations, but if you
already know what patterns you're most likely to be using, you can have
them
prethreaded.

I bet some sort of system could be done from a homemade rig. Thanks for
the
link: anyone ever used something like this?

D'oH! After a closer look, I see that its just a holder with six eye
threaders that are already preloaded with flies. You slip your tippet
through the threader, slip the fly onto the line, and the rest is as usual.
Its even better than how I percieved it before, as you don't lose the
ability to change the tippet size. Back to the original question: anyone
here ever used line threaders?

--riverman

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:56:19 +0200, "riverman" wrote:



D'oH! After a closer look, I see that its just a holder with six eye
threaders that are already preloaded with flies. You slip your tippet
through the threader, slip the fly onto the line, and the rest is as usual.
Its even better than how I percieved it before, as you don't lose the
ability to change the tippet size. Back to the original question: anyone
here ever used line threaders?

--riverman

I haven't used "tippet threaders," but they look just like Orvis-ized
versions of what my grandmother used to thread needles, and I have used
one of those (to thread needles). It seemed to work easily and just as
it should. With that in mind, you might find a MUCH cheaper version at
a sewing store/department, sans the holder/box, of course, and try it
out before you plonk down for the yuppie version. Heck, from looking at
it, I'm don't see a real advantage to the Orvis version, but YMMV.

TC,
R

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

D'oH! After a closer look, I see that its just a holder with six eye
threaders that are already preloaded with flies. You slip your tippet
through the threader, slip the fly onto the line, and the rest is as
usual.
Its even better than how I percieved it before, as you don't lose the
ability to change the tippet size. Back to the original question: anyone
here ever used line threaders?

--riverman



I had used one and I liked it, but I rarely use flies small enough to need
the threader, so I donated it to a raffle years ago. FWIW, C&F makes those
(3M) and lots of people sell them, like Cabelas.

http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0001432.jsp

--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

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"riverman" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...





http://www.orvis.com/store/product_c...&feature_id=17



Yeah, might. If I get the idea correctly, there are already several flies
already threaded onto the tippet, but not knotted. You pull the tippet
through the fly, snip it off between that fly and the next, and tie the
knot. You'd lose some variability with fly/tippet combinations, but if you
already know what patterns you're most likely to be using, you can have
them
prethreaded.

I bet some sort of system could be done from a homemade rig. Thanks for
the
link: anyone ever used something like this?

D'oH! After a closer look, I see that its just a holder with six eye
threaders that are already preloaded with flies. You slip your tippet
through the threader, slip the fly onto the line, and the rest is as usual.
Its even better than how I percieved it before, as you don't lose the
ability to change the tippet size. Back to the original question: anyone
here ever used line threaders?

Yup - lazy, I guess. They work fine until you get to smaller flies (18-26), then
you have a pretty hard time getting two pieces of wire (the threader) and
double-wide tippet through the tiny eye. If I DO get it through, I cut the
tippet where it made the bend because there's a pretty good kink in it, and it
creates(I think) a weak spot. I haven't tried any of those new large-eye hooks
from Orvis yet, but I bet that solves a lot of this issue.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"riverman" wrote in message
...
snip

Back to the original question: anyone
here ever used line threaders?

--riverman



I've got one of those fly boxes with the threaders. Its from C&F designs
and is sold under license from them by Orvis, Sci. Anglers and others. The
midge size threaders will work OK for flies down to size 22. I had
previously used standard needle threaders available at sewing shops, as R.
Dean suggested, but they were only good for flies down to about size 14 or
16.
Frankly, the flybox is way too expensive for what you get, and the threaders
are quite fragile - they kink & break very easily with any moderate level of
use.

If you want to carry some of your flies pre-threaded, a better solution is :
http://www.mackslure.net/acatalog/c_...Dispenser.html
..
These were designed primarily for winter steelhead gear fishermen who use
size 6 to 1-0 hooks pre-rigged on ~ 18" leaders for egghs or yarn flies, but
they can work equally well for small flys with a slight modification. For
small flies, you will probably want to replace the rather coarse cork that
comes in the bottom of the holder with magnetic sheet or the foam used in
many fly boxes. These containers won't work if you put a loop in the end of
the leader before putting the threaded fly in the holder, but I find tying a
loop (or even a blood knot or double surgeons knot) far easier than
threading a small fly in dim light


--
Bob Weinberger
La, Grande, OR

place a dot between bobs and stuff and remove invalid to send email

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On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 03:20:33 GMT, Larry Medina wrote:

I still use the turle knot because that is the first knot I was
taught by my father. It's a subtle reminder of him on the river.

No matter how many times I've follwed the instructions, I can't seem to tie
a turle knot without gettingthe fly all goofed up in it... I'll have to have
you show me this puppy, Harry... maybe I can learn it the same way I learned
to whip finish by hand, by watching over the shoulder!!!

I wouldn't waste the effort, the Turle knot is too weak to bother with...

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"Willi" wrote in message
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rw wrote:



I'll bet only a very small percentage of flyfishermen use a turle knot
(or similar type of knot). So why do nearly all dry-fly hooks have down
eyes? It doesn't make sense. A straight eye should work better. Is this
just a historical accident that has its own momentum? Do they come with
down eyes because people EXPECT down eyes?



I like straight eyed flies better especially on small flies. I think
that little bit more gap gets better hooking on the small flies. I
also like straight eyed flies for skittering patterns.

I read somewhere once in the early days that an upturned eye was preferred
for small hooks, as it opened the gape as much as possible and got the knot
out of the way. However, for the really tiny hooks, the upturned eye would
actually pop the point loose when you set the hook, so you needed a straight
eye. Have you heard this?

--riverman

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riverman wrote:




I'm starting to think about carrying prethreaded flies with me for dusk
fishing. Is there a way to carry, say, a dozen flies with enough leader on
them (for loop-to-loop connections) without having a tangled or spiraly
mess?


I like to fish soft hackles and I enjoy fishing them on a cast of two or
three flies. I would love to be able to set these up ahead of time and
have tried to figure out a way to carry them in a useful manner. I
thought about the snelled hook holders that Richard mentioned but I
don't think they would work for several flies with several feet of
tippet material. I would fish these casts more often but they're a PITA
to setup streamside.

Looking for suggestions.

Willi

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Bob Weinberger wrote:



If you want to carry some of your flies pre-threaded, a better solution is :
http://www.mackslure.net/acatalog/c_...Dispenser.html
.
These were designed primarily for winter steelhead gear fishermen who use
size 6 to 1-0 hooks pre-rigged on ~ 18" leaders for egghs or yarn flies, but
they can work equally well for small flys with a slight modification. For
small flies, you will probably want to replace the rather coarse cork that
comes in the bottom of the holder with magnetic sheet or the foam used in
many fly boxes. These containers won't work if you put a loop in the end of
the leader before putting the threaded fly in the holder, but I find tying a
loop (or even a blood knot or double surgeons knot) far easier than
threading a small fly in dim light



Do you think those would work for multiple flies on droppers from a
tippet about three feet long?

Willi

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rw wrote:



I'll bet only a very small percentage of flyfishermen use a turle knot
(or similar type of knot). So why do nearly all dry-fly hooks have down
eyes? It doesn't make sense. A straight eye should work better. Is this
just a historical accident that has its own momentum? Do they come with
down eyes because people EXPECT down eyes?



I like straight eyed flies better especially on small flies. I think
that little bit more gap gets better hooking on the small flies. I
also like straight eyed flies for skittering patterns.

Willi