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To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against
Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
Or is the stuff
crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Well, if you're into business ethics, Orvis got into bed with Wally World whilst you were getting your ass shot off. How's that for gratitude. By the way, welcome back to the real world. If you end up TDY to DC, give me a hollar. Gots some water that needs fishin'. And, by the way, thank you. -- Frank Reid Reverse email to reply |
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Tim Apple wrote:
You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. ... I think the "beef" with Orvis is more reverse snobbery than anything of substance. Orvis presents themselves as upscale and markets their products the same way. Tweed and cardigans, bird dog asleep in front of the fireplace while the master of the house ties flies with a pipe in his mouth and a brandy at the elbow. This image is, of course, anathema to most of roff. All the fly fishermen here drive rusted out old Dodge Darts, wear clothes from the Goodwill bin, and fish with old fly rods purchased for six ninety-five at Sears back in the fifties. Like you, I have a used Orvis rod, a 7'6" Superfine, that I am very happy with. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:11:42 -0500, Tim Apple
wrote: You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple Orvis gear, generally, is good gear. Here's a way you may wish to look at it: Take two rod blanks, both made at the same plant. Then send one to "Bob's House O' Rods" and the other to Orvis. Bob, who is an honest businessman, finishes his rods with decent, but not fancy, fittings and simply sells them out of his small shop. He offers no warranty other than that covering his own work. He is upfront about it all, saying, basically, that it is what is: a reasonably-priced fishing tool. Now Orvis takes the same blank and finishes it with the finest of fittings, offers what is essentially a "no questions asked" return policy, markets it through its catalogs, websites, dealers, etc. Of course, and quite properly, the Orvis rod will be considerably more expensive. Is the Orvis version a "better" rod? If the buyer thinks it is for them, then it is in a purely subjective manner. One could argue that it is a "better" rod because of the higher quality of the fittings or the better warranty, and in that narrow objective context, they'd have a legitimate point. But things like "better," "nice," "fantastic," "crappy," and such are always, in practice, subjective. This might sound smart-assed, but it isn't meant to: only you can say if a piece of gear is "good" for you. Can you afford it? If so, then the only real hurdle is overcome. Do you like the feel, the action, the cast? If so, that is answered . Do you like the look of it? If so, then that is, IMO, just frosting on the cake when it comes to tools, but you may think it an important point. HTH, R |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
I've never even used one of their rods... but I was in Tahoe City last
weekend looking for some flies. I see an "Orvis" shingle, and I think, cool a flyshop. I go in... hmm... what's this? Knick-knacks all over the place, not a rod or piece of fly gear in sight. Oh, there... "flyfishing upstairs" the sign says. Cool, head on up... hmm... lots of clothing. Clothing all over the place... and not flyfishing stuff either. Oh, there in the corner... it's a small whiteboard with handwritten fishing reports, three Orvis rods (none my side of $350), and a box of flies... maybe 40-50 different varities. That is my experience with Orvis, and it matches the impression I had of them before going in. I'm sure it's good quality stuff... "Tim Apple" wrote in message ... You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
The need to bash Orvis seems to be endemic among sophomore flyfishermen.
They make some good stuff and some not so good stuff, and they market a bunch of stuff you don't need. Trying to turn a profit doesn't make them evil. |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Tim Apple" wrote in message ... You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? I have no complaints about my Orvis waders. They fit better and cost less than the Sims ones I tried on, and have a couple of features that I really like. I think willingness to use Orvis products is a sign of non-elitism, since they DO get a lot of smack talk. I think becoming 'Orvisboy', with a total dedication to Orvis products is a sign of misdirected product allegience. --rivemman |
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I have been trying to figure out what the deal is with Orvis also. I don't own
any of their rods, but have several friends that do and I have fished with several. If you like a rod that is not superfast, in a 3 or 2 weight rod, I doubt you will find many any more fun to fish that the Superfine series. The company has a reputation for being a good corperate citizen for well over a century now. The local "factory store" in Dallas came to town about a decade ago and has always supported the local fly fishing club very well and they try to keep some of all of the fly tying materials in their catalog in stock. Sure they sell a lot of dog beds, but I don't know of another shop in Dallas that even tries to keep a few bamboo rods in stock. I hear a lot of bitching about their high cost, but most of the fly shops carry a bunch of stuff at MSRP in fact most companies would not sell their stuff to them if they did not. The new manager of the store in Dallas has the coolist fly shop dog that I have met in several years.Use them as you see fit as far as I am concerned. Big Dale |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:11:42 -0500, Tim Apple wrote: You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple Orvis gear, generally, is good gear. Here's a way you may wish to look at it: Take two rod blanks, both made at the same plant. Then send one to "Bob's House O' Rods" and the other to Orvis. Bob, who is an honest businessman, finishes his rods with decent, but not fancy, fittings and simply sells them out of his small shop. He offers no warranty other than that covering his own work. He is upfront about it all, saying, basically, that it is what is: a reasonably-priced fishing tool. Now Orvis takes the same blank and finishes it with the finest of fittings, offers what is essentially a "no questions asked" return policy, markets it through its catalogs, websites, dealers, etc. Of course, and quite properly, the Orvis rod will be considerably more expensive. Is the Orvis version a "better" rod? If the buyer thinks it is for them, then it is in a purely subjective manner. One could argue that it is a "better" rod because of the higher quality of the fittings or the better warranty, and in that narrow objective context, they'd have a legitimate point. But things like "better," "nice," "fantastic," "crappy," and such are always, in practice, subjective. This might sound smart-assed, but it isn't meant to: only you can say if a piece of gear is "good" for you. Can you afford it? If so, then the only real hurdle is overcome. Do you like the feel, the action, the cast? If so, that is answered . Do you like the look of it? If so, then that is, IMO, just frosting on the cake when it comes to tools, but you may think it an important point. HTH, R Unless something has changed dramatically in the last year or so, Orvis designs its own blanks and manufactures them in Manchester. The only exception to this would be the new Wally World rods. Whether you like the action or not is entirely subjective. I have several Orvis rods, and like most of them. Unfortunately, as I have fished with two of them, I have discovered that I really don't like those two particular rods, even though they cast great at the shop. The only real way to fully evaluate a rod is to take it to the river for a few trips. Jim Ray |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Particle Salad" wrote in message . .. I've never even used one of their rods... but I was in Tahoe City last weekend looking for some flies. I see an "Orvis" shingle, and I think, cool a flyshop. I go in... hmm... what's this? Knick-knacks all over the place, not a rod or piece of fly gear in sight. Oh, there... "flyfishing upstairs" the sign says. Cool, head on up... hmm... lots of clothing. Clothing all over the place... and not flyfishing stuff either. Oh, there in the corner... it's a small whiteboard with handwritten fishing reports, three Orvis rods (none my side of $350), and a box of flies... maybe 40-50 different varities. That is my experience with Orvis, and it matches the impression I had of them before going in. I'm sure it's good quality stuff... "Tim Apple" wrote in message ... You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple Orvis has company stores, full line dealers, and shops that just carry selected items. The level of control Orvis corporate has over each type shop varies dramatically, but they all get to hang out the Orvis shingle. Thus, an Orvis shingle on what seems to have been a clothing store. BTW, apparel is the largest part of Orvis business - not flyfishing! Orvis' presence in Wally World reminds me a lot of the ill fated attempt Black and Decker made to become a mass market tool supplier. Who can forget walking into K-Mart and seeing stacks of plastic circular saws on sale for $19.95? They were not worth the scrap value of the copper, IMHO. It took B&D years to recover, and finally had to re-introduce DeWalt to penetrate the market it once dominated. Hope Orvis doesn't discover the same thing. Jim Ray |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
Jim wrote:
... The only real way to fully evaluate a rod is to take it to the river for a few trips. That's a bunch of hooey. An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. -- Ken Fortenberry |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message gy.com... Jim wrote: ... The only real way to fully evaluate a rod is to take it to the river for a few trips. That's a bunch of hooey. An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. -- Ken Fortenberry My local shop doesn't have a stocked pond out back. The rods cast fine. One of the things I dislike about them is that the tip is so fast, I tend to snap a lot of tippets on the water. Don't have that problem with other rods I own. Not sure that this is something possible to evaluate except under actual fishing conditions. But you are correct about evaluating its casting characteristics - a few casts and I am pretty sure whether I like the action or not. Jim Ray |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
From: Greg Pavlov
The trick, in many cases, is to bypass the dealer if necessary and go directly to the company. Absolutely. I am not "Orvis Boy", (is he one of the superheroes?), but I do own several Orvis prducts. I had a problem with one set of two year old waders I got online, but I am within a reasonable, (2.5 hr), driving distance of their corporate HQ in Manchester. I drove up there, brought the waders into the company store, and explained the problem to the young man at the flyfishing counter. He checked the size and brought out a new pair. There was a four year depreciating warranty on the waders, so I pulled out my wallet, expecting to pay half of the purchase price. He said, "No charge, waders aren't supposed to leak." I call that good customer service. I have had no problem with the replacement waders, or any of the other Orvis products I own. I suspect, however, if I had gone the mail order replacement route, they would have charged me, and there likely would have been a long wait, and I wouldn't have fished the Battenkill that afternoon.{;-) George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age." ---- J.W Muller |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
Ken writes:
That's a bunch of hooey. An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. if you had thrown in the caveats that: 1.Said caster could evaluate it fully with the given line type and weight at hand 2. Said caster could evaluate the CASTING (as opposed to fishing) qualities of the rod and 3. casting quality is but a small portion of the overall nature of a rod. then, I might have agreed. That said, some rods take time for one to adjust to. Some rods with limited casting ranges are great fishing tools for certain intended purposes. In the final analysis, the qualities of a flyrod are WAY more subtle that casting qualities, and of such a personal nature I would hesitate to steer anyone toward any given rod maker or especially specific models. Tom p.s. Just play with lots of rods, buy one or two and enjoy. If you don't like the rod, that is why they created EBay....unload it, and try something else. |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 14:11:42 -0500, Tim Apple
wrote: You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple Orvis is no better nor no worse than the rest. Buy what you like and ignore the BS. Peter (multiple CFOs, one BBS, one Green Mountain, multiple Superfines, Clearwater waders, and a two-handed rod and not a problem in the bunch) Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Tom Littleton wrote:
Ken writes: ... An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. if you had thrown in the caveats that: 1.Said caster could evaluate it fully with the given line type and weight at hand I'll grant you this caveat. At the least, I like to cast three lines, the stated weight, one weight under and one weight over to fully evaluate a potential addition to the arsenal. (I can do this in 5 minutes or less BTW.) 2. Said caster could evaluate the CASTING (as opposed to fishing) qualities of the rod and 3. casting quality is but a small portion of the overall nature of a rod. ... A fly rod does three things. It casts, it controls the line and it plays the fish/protects the tippet. Of these casting quality is BY FAR AND AWAY the most important. Casting quality is not but a small portion of a fly rod's nature, it is the ESSENCE of a fly rod's nature. Furthermore, the other two attributes can be easily inferred by first, the rod's length, and second by the nature of its casting quality. -- Ken Fortenberry |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message gy.com... A fly rod does three things. It casts, it controls the line and it plays the fish/protects the tippet. Of these casting quality is BY FAR AND AWAY the most important. Casting quality is not but a small portion of a fly rod's nature, it is the ESSENCE of a fly rod's nature. Furthermore, the other two attributes can be easily inferred by first, the rod's length, and second by the nature of its casting quality. -- Ken Fortenberry While that may be true for some flyfishing styles, it certainly isn't true for all. One of the best dry fly fishermen I've ever encountered (and who by the way was mostly responsible for Winston's excellent reputation, having owned the company for many years until a crippling disease forced his retirement and sale of the company a few years ago) was a master at getting close to the fish and rarely casting over 10'. For such fishing a noodly 10' rod that could only flip out the leader would serve superbly. -- Bob Weinberger La, Grande, OR place a dot between bobs and stuff and remove invalid to send email |
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Well, we all know that you're **** outta luck then!
Mark "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message gy.com... Jim wrote: ... The only real way to fully evaluate a rod is to take it to the river for a few trips. That's a bunch of hooey. An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. -- Ken Fortenberry |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
Chester the Molester wrote:
Well, we all know that you're **** outta luck then! Go crawl back under your rock, you filthy, white trash cracker, you have absolutely no business attempting to associate with the decent sportsmen here. -- Ken Fortenberry |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Tim Apple" wrote in message
... You know, since I've been flyfishing I've heard allot of smack talk against Orvis, not but a little while ago I became the owner of a used Orvis rod, and I think it's one of the best casting rods I own. I went to Bass Pro today and looked at some of the mid range orvis rods, and it seems for rods in the 100-200 dollar price range, the orvis rods looked better all in all and seemed to use nicer hardware. So the question really is, what is the beef? Is it strictly a stereotype....i.e the Orvis Boy....Or is the stuff crap, because it seems pretty much like damn nice equipment to me? Tim Apple Orvis is looked down on because they're trying to survive as a business by expanding their markets beyond flyfishing and hunting gear. They are becoming a marketing machine (like LLBean and others) and are the catalog choice for east coast yuppie flyfisher wannabes, but that doesn't mean their gear is substandard. You should look past the shtick and look at the products. I think their mid-priced rods have been a good value for the money - my go to stick is a Silver Label 4 wt. - that rod matches my cast perfectly, and that's how you should pick a rod. Not brand name. I have a couple of Battenkill reels and I think they are also great bang for the buck. They stand behind their stuff too. I lost a screw from the drag adjustment knob on a Battenkill reel and they gave me a whole new frame. Mine was all banged up from years of use. Needless to say, I'm a repeat customer. I also buy a lot of my tying material from them - I stop in whenever I'm in southern VT. So, when you're shopping, don't buy any rod you can't cast first. Appearance, brand, hearsay are worthless. If you can't cast it for ****, you wasted your money whether it's an Orvis, a KPOS, a Sage, or whatever. My second favorite rod is a $60 KPOS 3 wt. I bought from a friend who has them built in mass quantities. It doesn't look fancy, but the finish is very nice and it casts great. -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
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Greg Pavlov wrote: Orvis did the same for me, tho mine were 4 yrs old. These leaked along most of the lower seams. Unfortunately, after half a dozen outings, the new ones also started to leak in at least three places. These were not the cheapest either: they're Silver Labels with lace-up bootfoots. And the stocking foot SLs I bought just about a year ago are also leaking now, also in more than one place. My guess, though, is that one or two of the leaks are the result of errant Clousers. Why do you keep buying them? Willi |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote... Tom Littleton wrote: Ken writes: ... An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. if you had thrown in the caveats that: 1.Said caster could evaluate it fully with the given line type and weight at hand I'll grant you this caveat. At the least, I like to cast three lines, the stated weight, one weight under and one weight over to fully evaluate a potential addition to the arsenal. (I can do this in 5 minutes or less BTW.) I could cast that rod in 4 notes, Dennis. -- TL, Tim http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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That's why I hang with you!
Your pal, Mark "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message gy.com... Chester the Molester wrote: Well, we all know that you're **** outta luck then! Go crawl back under your rock, you filthy, white trash cracker, you have absolutely no business attempting to associate with the decent sportsmen here. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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I believe Orvis is having a promotion for their high end rods and reels through
July 15.. Send them any old rod or real and buy your choice of an Orvis rod/reel at a 25% discount. They have a youth give away program for the old stuff. Nice discount and a nice thing to do . Tom Bogdan |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote in
gy.com: Jim wrote: ... The only real way to fully evaluate a rod is to take it to the river for a few trips. That's a bunch of hooey. An experienced caster can take a fly rod out back of the fly shop, cast it and fully evaluate it in five or ten minutes ... or less. But it takes a little longer to figure out if the reel seat is gonna fall off after 6 hours in a hot trunk, or if the windings are gonna unravel after a month. Scott |
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In article ,
Greg Pavlov wrote: What I *really* need to do for lots of good reasons is lose about 50 pounds, keep them off, and by a pair of high-end Simms. I dont know, from what I hear, if you buy the high end (just under $500 out the door) model, "warrantied for life" means they are warrantied till they die, so if they die after 6 months you are **** out of luck. At least with Orvis, if you fish them hard, and they die after 9 months, Orvis will give you a new pair no questions asked. |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
In article ,
Greg Pavlov wrote: What I *really* need to do for lots of good reasons is lose about 50 pounds, keep them off, and by a pair of high-end Simms. I dont know, from what I hear, if you buy the high end (just under $500 out the door) model, "warrantied for life" means they are warrantied till they die, so if they die after 6 months you are **** out of luck. At least with Orvis, if you fish them hard, and they die after 9 months, Orvis will give you a new pair no questions asked. |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
In article ,
"Particle Salad" wrote: I've never even used one of their rods... but I was in Tahoe City last weekend looking for some flies. I see an "Orvis" shingle, and I think, cool a flyshop. I go in... hmm... what's this? Knick-knacks all over the place, not a rod or piece of fly gear in sight. Oh, there... "flyfishing upstairs" the sign says. Cool, head on up... hmm... lots of clothing. Clothing all over the place... and not flyfishing stuff either. Oh, there in the corner... it's a small whiteboard with handwritten fishing reports, three Orvis rods (none my side of $350), and a box of flies... maybe 40-50 different varities. Your problem is you didnt go to a "company store". "mothers nature" is not a company store. |
Orvis walmart combos
In article , "Jim"
wrote: Unless something has changed dramatically in the last year or so, Orvis designs its own blanks and manufactures them in Manchester. The only exception to this would be the new Wally World rods. What is the story on the orvis combo's sold at walmart (aka wallyworld)? They are about $120, and include rod, reel, line, and backing ( I think). Orvis has a new 5 weight out for about $90, and the low end orvis reel is about $35, with line and backing to be (I assume) about $40 for a low end line. |
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Steve Sullivan wrote:
In article , Greg Pavlov wrote: What I *really* need to do for lots of good reasons is lose about 50 pounds, keep them off, and by a pair of high-end Simms. I dont know, from what I hear, if you buy the high end (just under $500 out the door) model, "warrantied for life" means they are warrantied till they die, so if they die after 6 months you are **** out of luck. At least with Orvis, if you fish them hard, and they die after 9 months, Orvis will give you a new pair no questions asked. steve, instead of horse****, why doncha take a moment and do some research. 1) There are 4 wader factories on the planet. One is in Bozeman Montana, the other three are overseas.... for the astute amongst us, that speaks volumes.... and no, i'm not speaking of "buy usa" pride. 2) Simms Warranty, direct from their website: http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=REPAIRS_MAIN At Simms, we stand behind everything we make. If your Simms product fails due to workmanship or material defect during the life of the product, please return it to us for repair or replacement. This warranty does not cover damages caused by improper care, accidents or the natural breakdown of materials over extended use and time. All defective or damaged products should be returned to Simms for evaluation and will be repaired or replaced at the discretion of Simms Fishing Products. What does this mean for waders? Workmanship & Materials are Guaranteed for the Life of the Product. If a Simms wader fails due to workmanship or material defect during the life of the product, please return it to us for repair or replacement. All defective or damaged waders should be returned to Simms for evaluation and will be repaired, replaced or returned at the sole discretion of Simms Fishing Products. This warranty does not cover damages caused by improper care, accidents or the natural breakdown of materials over extended use and time. 30 Day “Across the Counter” Wader Exchange. If, within 30 days of the purchase date, you are unhappy with a Simms wader, bring it back to the dealer you bought it from. Present your sales receipt, and we will replace it, no questions asked. The First Repair Is On Us. At Simms, we stand behind everything we make. But, from time to time, we all take a tumble in the pursuit of fish. If you accidentally damage your Simms wader during the first year that you own it, the first repair is on us. Simply ship us the wader, along with a copy of your receipt, and we will repair it and ship it back to you. Further, we will only charge you our actual cost for any additional repairs that you may need during the life of your wader. Our Repair Department is not a profit center. Simply bring the wader to your dealer or contact Simms’ Customer Service for a Return Authorization. Then, ship the wader to us with a note describing the problem and someone from our Customer Service Team will promptly contact you with a repair estimate. Once we receive your approval we will repair your waders and ship them back to you. Using the About Repair section to your advantage. Learn about care & maintenance for your Simms Waders, and other important details to increase the life-span of your waders. The online registration form allows you to quickly register your waders with Simms. -- Tight Lines, --Walt Fly Fishing NC & more... http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
Steve Sullivan wrote:
In article , Greg Pavlov wrote: What I *really* need to do for lots of good reasons is lose about 50 pounds, keep them off, and by a pair of high-end Simms. I dont know, from what I hear, if you buy the high end (just under $500 out the door) model, "warrantied for life" means they are warrantied till they die, so if they die after 6 months you are **** out of luck. At least with Orvis, if you fish them hard, and they die after 9 months, Orvis will give you a new pair no questions asked. steve, instead of horse****, why doncha take a moment and do some research. 1) There are 4 wader factories on the planet. One is in Bozeman Montana, the other three are overseas.... for the astute amongst us, that speaks volumes.... and no, i'm not speaking of "buy usa" pride. 2) Simms Warranty, direct from their website: http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=REPAIRS_MAIN At Simms, we stand behind everything we make. If your Simms product fails due to workmanship or material defect during the life of the product, please return it to us for repair or replacement. This warranty does not cover damages caused by improper care, accidents or the natural breakdown of materials over extended use and time. All defective or damaged products should be returned to Simms for evaluation and will be repaired or replaced at the discretion of Simms Fishing Products. What does this mean for waders? Workmanship & Materials are Guaranteed for the Life of the Product. If a Simms wader fails due to workmanship or material defect during the life of the product, please return it to us for repair or replacement. All defective or damaged waders should be returned to Simms for evaluation and will be repaired, replaced or returned at the sole discretion of Simms Fishing Products. This warranty does not cover damages caused by improper care, accidents or the natural breakdown of materials over extended use and time. 30 Day “Across the Counter” Wader Exchange. If, within 30 days of the purchase date, you are unhappy with a Simms wader, bring it back to the dealer you bought it from. Present your sales receipt, and we will replace it, no questions asked. The First Repair Is On Us. At Simms, we stand behind everything we make. But, from time to time, we all take a tumble in the pursuit of fish. If you accidentally damage your Simms wader during the first year that you own it, the first repair is on us. Simply ship us the wader, along with a copy of your receipt, and we will repair it and ship it back to you. Further, we will only charge you our actual cost for any additional repairs that you may need during the life of your wader. Our Repair Department is not a profit center. Simply bring the wader to your dealer or contact Simms’ Customer Service for a Return Authorization. Then, ship the wader to us with a note describing the problem and someone from our Customer Service Team will promptly contact you with a repair estimate. Once we receive your approval we will repair your waders and ship them back to you. Using the About Repair section to your advantage. Learn about care & maintenance for your Simms Waders, and other important details to increase the life-span of your waders. The online registration form allows you to quickly register your waders with Simms. -- Tight Lines, --Walt Fly Fishing NC & more... http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
I mut have been kiving on Mars lately. Can someone fill me in on this
gonnection between Walmart and Orvis? Doesn't sound like a very smart ove for Orvis if I get the drift. Jay Sweeney in NH |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"S S Law NH" wrote in message ... I mut have been kiving on Mars lately. Can someone fill me in on this gonnection between Walmart and Orvis? Doesn't sound like a very smart ove for Orvis if I get the drift. Jay Sweeney in NH No! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
"S S Law NH" wrote in message ... I mut have been kiving on Mars lately. Can someone fill me in on this gonnection between Walmart and Orvis? Doesn't sound like a very smart ove for Orvis if I get the drift. Jay Sweeney in NH No! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.718 / Virus Database: 474 - Release Date: 7/9/2004 |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
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To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
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To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
On 11 Jul 2004 10:47:21 GMT, (S S Law NH) wrote:
I mut have been kiving on Mars lately. Can someone fill me in on this gonnection between Walmart and Orvis? Doesn't sound like a very smart ove for Orvis if I get the drift. Jay Sweeney in NH Seems as if Orvis and WalMart made a deal where WalMart will sell products with the Orvis name on them. No, it doesn't sound smart of Orvis, unless they're going to have a different name on the products. Even then, someone who picks up a cheap Orvis googoo piece of gear at WalMart and isn't happy with it is unlikely, if he ever goes into a shop with the regular line of good Orvis, to want to buy anything by that name. Thanks, but I'll take my KPOSes from Cabela's, not WalMart. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
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To Orvis or not to orvis, that is the question?
In article ,
lid wrote: On 11 Jul 2004 10:47:21 GMT, (S S Law NH) wrote: I mut have been kiving on Mars lately. Can someone fill me in on this gonnection between Walmart and Orvis? Doesn't sound like a very smart ove for Orvis if I get the drift. Jay Sweeney in NH Seems as if Orvis and WalMart made a deal where WalMart will sell products with the Orvis name on them. No, it doesn't sound smart of Orvis, unless they're going to have a different name on the products. Even then, someone who picks up a cheap Orvis googoo piece of gear at WalMart and isn't happy with it is unlikely, if he ever goes into a shop with the regular line of good Orvis, to want to buy anything by that name. Thanks, but I'll take my KPOSes from Cabela's, not WalMart. I would suggest that most people that buy high end orvis products DO NOT visit walmart. The combo kit is about $110 at walmart, I would assume it is the rod that Orvis sales for $89 on their web site, the $39 reel, and their cheapest line and backing |
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