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"GaryM" wrote...
snip
South Beach was not to be spared from the millions of stripers that
were swarming the Cape. A memory I shall not forget for a while was a
cloud of fish about two acres in size slowly heading my way. Bear in
mind that the name of the game on S. Beach is to try to spot one to a
few fish as far away as possible. Such a large school is almost in
your mind's blind spot and does not register right away.
Instinctively I backed away, cheap movie style, and got to about
three inches below knee level when the school reached the point I was
standing. The lead fish broke around me but the followers did not
notice. Over a period of ten minutes this school passed me and I had
four fish, all more than 23" but not keepers, from this school. Given
the time it took to pass I am guessing it was much larger than I
first thought, or it was going circles :)!!

That sounds like a real blast, Gary. Thanks for the TR.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get into some
10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It would be good to see you
again.

.. . . which reminds me - I ran into George Adams a week or so ago, and he's not
half the man he used to be. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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From: "Tim J."

. . . which reminds me - I ran into George Adams a week or so ago, and he's
not
half the man he used to be. ;-)

......from a svelte 226 to a super svelte 197. Hopefully another 15 or 20 to go
this fall.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get into some
10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It would be good to see
you again

Hell yes. We'll even show you the "secret spot".



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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From: "Tim J."

. . . which reminds me - I ran into George Adams a week or so ago, and he's
not
half the man he used to be. ;-)

......from a svelte 226 to a super svelte 197. Hopefully another 15 or 20 to go
this fall.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get into some
10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It would be good to see
you again

Hell yes. We'll even show you the "secret spot".



George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"GaryM" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:

That sounds like a real blast, Gary. Thanks for the TR.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get
into some 10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It
would be good to see you again.

Thanks Tim. I'll take you up on that. Likewise on my end, would be
great to get together. BTW, just got an email from the VT State
Bioligist for the Battenkill and apparently the important 7-9 inch
slot is doing well. I'll be trying to get up there in the next few
weeks to fish the trikes.

(You'll have to explain the G. Adams reference. I have only met him
once at a McDonalds in Ware along with Messrs., Reid, Tripper,
LaCourse & Gula.)

Oddly enough, the only one of the bunch I haven't met is 'tripper (did I just
put "oddly" and "'tripper" in the same sentence?).

Mr. Adams has dumped a bunch of weight and can now be mistaken for Robert
Redford, or one of those guys from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. :)
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:02:41 GMT, "Tim J."
wrote:


"GaryM" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:

That sounds like a real blast, Gary. Thanks for the TR.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get
into some 10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It
would be good to see you again.

Thanks Tim. I'll take you up on that. Likewise on my end, would be
great to get together. BTW, just got an email from the VT State
Bioligist for the Battenkill and apparently the important 7-9 inch
slot is doing well. I'll be trying to get up there in the next few
weeks to fish the trikes.

(You'll have to explain the G. Adams reference. I have only met him
once at a McDonalds in Ware along with Messrs., Reid, Tripper,
LaCourse & Gula.)

Oddly enough, the only one of the bunch I haven't met is 'tripper (did I just
put "oddly" and "'tripper" in the same sentence?).

Well, yeah - but so have about a thousand people before you ;-)

Mr. Adams has dumped a bunch of weight and can now be mistaken for Robert
Redford, or one of those guys from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. :)

Whoa! More than we needed to know!

/daytripper (one o' these days I'll fish your 'secret' spot with you :-)

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"daytripper" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:
"GaryM" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:

That sounds like a real blast, Gary. Thanks for the TR.

When you feel like taking a break from the biggies and want to get
into some 10-18" trout on some tailwaters, give me a holler. It
would be good to see you again.

Thanks Tim. I'll take you up on that. Likewise on my end, would be
great to get together. BTW, just got an email from the VT State
Bioligist for the Battenkill and apparently the important 7-9 inch
slot is doing well. I'll be trying to get up there in the next few
weeks to fish the trikes.

(You'll have to explain the G. Adams reference. I have only met him
once at a McDonalds in Ware along with Messrs., Reid, Tripper,
LaCourse & Gula.)

Oddly enough, the only one of the bunch I haven't met is 'tripper (did I just
put "oddly" and "'tripper" in the same sentence?).

Well, yeah - but so have about a thousand people before you ;-)

Mr. Adams has dumped a bunch of weight and can now be mistaken for Robert
Redford, or one of those guys from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. :)

Whoa! More than we needed to know!

/daytripper (one o' these days I'll fish your 'secret' spot with you :-)

I'm not sure how much of the Swift you've fished, but there are some sweet spots
well downstream from the C&R areas. I can free up a weekday afternoon with
little notice, and maybe we could get a few others to do the same. Smells like a
mini-clave; we'll call this one "Mass Appeal".
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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From: GaryM

NJ George. S. Beach Diet???

Atkins for six weeks took 20 lbs off, and calorie counting since mid April
removed another 9. Looking to go back on the Atkins for a little while in the
fall, as I need to lose another 15/20.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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George Adams wrote:

From: GaryM


NJ George. S. Beach Diet???


Atkins for six weeks took 20 lbs off, ...

Good for you, but I don't know how people do it. I tried
Atkins for a month and it was awful. I didn't have enough
gas in the tank to run 3 miles without hitting the wall.
I figured Atkins was for obese people who got obese by
sitting on the couch eating doughnuts and twinkies and who
wanted to lose weight by sitting on the couch and NOT
eating doughnuts and twinkies.

I need my carbs, and I don't mean just Budweiser. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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From: Ken Fortenberry

Good for you, but I don't know how people do it. I tried
Atkins for a month and it was awful. I didn't have enough
gas in the tank to run 3 miles without hitting the wall.

I figured Atkins was for obese people who got obese by
sitting on the couch eating doughnuts and twinkies and who
wanted to lose weight by sitting on the couch and NOT
eating doughnuts and twinkies.

I found just the opposite. I was working out a bit (cardio) while on the diet,
and maintained a good energy level. I think the trick is to eat enough fat to
keep the energy level up. Also, I was limiting myself to about 1500/1700
calories a day. It does get awful boring, though. I'm still sick of hard boiled
eggs and sugar free Jello.




George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"George Adams" wrote...
snip
I'm still sick of hard boiled eggs and sugar free Jello.

%-b

I hope you're describing two separate dishes.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:54 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote...
/daytripper (one o' these days I'll fish your 'secret' spot with you :-)

I'm not sure how much of the Swift you've fished, but there are some sweet spots
well downstream from the C&R areas. I can free up a weekday afternoon with
little notice, and maybe we could get a few others to do the same. Smells like a
mini-clave; we'll call this one "Mass Appeal".

Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring Road
looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the water above
the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially while that dam down
below had the river all backed up and too high to wade well.

Mass Appeal sounds about right, now all we need is a break in this soggy
weather. Radar shows the sky just west of us riddled with bogies...

/daytripper

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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:54 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote...
/daytripper (one o' these days I'll fish your 'secret' spot with you :-)

I'm not sure how much of the Swift you've fished, but there are some sweet spots
well downstream from the C&R areas. I can free up a weekday afternoon with
little notice, and maybe we could get a few others to do the same. Smells like a
mini-clave; we'll call this one "Mass Appeal".

Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring Road
looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the water above
the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially while that dam down
below had the river all backed up and too high to wade well.

Mass Appeal sounds about right, now all we need is a break in this soggy
weather. Radar shows the sky just west of us riddled with bogies...

/daytripper

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"daytripper" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:
"daytripper" wrote...
/daytripper (one o' these days I'll fish your 'secret' spot with you :-)

I'm not sure how much of the Swift you've fished, but there are some sweet
spots
well downstream from the C&R areas. I can free up a weekday afternoon with
little notice, and maybe we could get a few others to do the same. Smells
like a
mini-clave; we'll call this one "Mass Appeal".

Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring Road
looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the water above
the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially while that dam down
below had the river all backed up and too high to wade well.

Ahhhh. . . but there are also a few sweet spots not on River Road. . .

Mass Appeal sounds about right,

How about Weapons of Mass Destruction?

now all we need is a break in this soggy
weather. Radar shows the sky just west of us riddled with bogies...

Yeah. It looks like the weather for the next few days will suck, but, hey, it's
New England so that'll change soon. Any day but next Tuesday I should be able to
catch a break. Keep it in mind. Bring beer.
--
TL,
Tim
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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daytripper wrote:
Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring
Road looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the
water above the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially
while that dam down below had the river all backed up and too high to
wade well.

You might be interested to know that we have a project under way to remove
that rubble pile (sometimes called Iceman's Dam, but really the remains of a
stone bridge). Work may begin this fall. Permits are lining up.

Access to the lower section is easier than you think...

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:13:17 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring
Road looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the
water above the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially
while that dam down below had the river all backed up and too high to
wade well.

You might be interested to know that we have a project under way to remove
that rubble pile (sometimes called Iceman's Dam, but really the remains of a
stone bridge). Work may begin this fall. Permits are lining up.

Geeze, that's proceeding at a glacial pace. Weren't we conspiring to drag out
the blowdowns that piled up there years ago?

Access to the lower section is easier than you think...

No doubt you folks could give me a sound education. I'd like that :-)

/daytripper

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:13:17 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
Over the decades I've wandered down River Road as far as Cold Spring
Road looking for access and good looking water, but to be honest the
water above the Rt 9 bridge was always much more inviting, especially
while that dam down below had the river all backed up and too high to
wade well.

You might be interested to know that we have a project under way to remove
that rubble pile (sometimes called Iceman's Dam, but really the remains of a
stone bridge). Work may begin this fall. Permits are lining up.

Geeze, that's proceeding at a glacial pace. Weren't we conspiring to drag out
the blowdowns that piled up there years ago?

Access to the lower section is easier than you think...

No doubt you folks could give me a sound education. I'd like that :-)

/daytripper

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"GaryM" wrote...
George Adams wrote:

Atkins for six weeks took 20 lbs off, and calorie counting since
mid April removed another 9. Looking to go back on the Atkins for
a little while in the fall, as I need to lose another 15/20.

I did the S.Beach over the winter and lost 22lbs. The missus did it
first after our daughter was born and lost almost 45lbs. Agree with
Ken re Atkins. With S. Beach salads, lean meats and veggies are
encouraged which makes it a healthier diet than Atkins, or so they
claim. OTOH, I have a friend who swears by red meat and beer diet
when he wants to lost a few pounds and it seems to work for him.

Tim, regarding Mass Appeal. Next Wed I am off, but I could make it to
the Swift by 3pm on most days except Fri, depending on workload.

That's one *hell* of a caveat, Gary! g The best fishing is from 3:00 on
anyway, but a lot depends on how much water people want to see. My guess is that
everyone has fished the "secret spot" already, so we could meet there and decide
as time goes by. On any given day, the C & R spots can be vacant or crowded - no
telling till we get there. Hell, if *all* of us show up, it'll be crowded if no
one else does! I've seen all of the water and can get to it within a few minutes
from home, so I'll just play to the crowd.

Let's shoot for Weds/Thurs, picking the best day depending on the weather. Stan?
George? 'tripper? Mr. LaCourse? Handyman? Bueller?. . . , Bueller?. . . ,
Bueller?. . . ,Anyone?

Now, I've got to go and get busy losing about 40 pounds before then so you
assholes don't show me up.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"GaryM" wrote...
George Adams wrote:

Atkins for six weeks took 20 lbs off, and calorie counting since
mid April removed another 9. Looking to go back on the Atkins for
a little while in the fall, as I need to lose another 15/20.

I did the S.Beach over the winter and lost 22lbs. The missus did it
first after our daughter was born and lost almost 45lbs. Agree with
Ken re Atkins. With S. Beach salads, lean meats and veggies are
encouraged which makes it a healthier diet than Atkins, or so they
claim. OTOH, I have a friend who swears by red meat and beer diet
when he wants to lost a few pounds and it seems to work for him.

Tim, regarding Mass Appeal. Next Wed I am off, but I could make it to
the Swift by 3pm on most days except Fri, depending on workload.

That's one *hell* of a caveat, Gary! g The best fishing is from 3:00 on
anyway, but a lot depends on how much water people want to see. My guess is that
everyone has fished the "secret spot" already, so we could meet there and decide
as time goes by. On any given day, the C & R spots can be vacant or crowded - no
telling till we get there. Hell, if *all* of us show up, it'll be crowded if no
one else does! I've seen all of the water and can get to it within a few minutes
from home, so I'll just play to the crowd.

Let's shoot for Weds/Thurs, picking the best day depending on the weather. Stan?
George? 'tripper? Mr. LaCourse? Handyman? Bueller?. . . , Bueller?. . . ,
Bueller?. . . ,Anyone?

Now, I've got to go and get busy losing about 40 pounds before then so you
assholes don't show me up.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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From: GaryM

With S. Beach salads, lean meats and veggies are
encouraged which makes it a healthier diet than Atkins, or so they
claim.

Actually Atkins encourages veggies and salads as well, but only those with low
carbs. They suggest a green salad which would provide most of the allowed
carbs, as well as roughage. Othe veggies I ate were snow pea pods and
asparagus, two of my favorites.

I think many folks who try Atkins are afraid to include enough fat in the diet.
You have to lose the old "pyramid" concept, and include enough fat to replace
the carbs, otherwise your energy level will go to hell in a handbasket.

Although I could never adapt to Atkins full time, (too restrictive and very
boring), while I was on it, all of my cholestrol and triglyceride numbers were
good, and I recorded the lowest blood pressure, (114/56), of my adult life.
Also, by eliminating added sugar, most refined flour, and by instituting
portion control, I have avoided the "rebound effect" that has been reported
following Atkins, and , in fact, have continued to lose weight, albeit at a
much slower rate.

Tim, regarding Mass Appeal. Next Wed I am off, but I could make it to
the Swift by 3pm on most days except Fri, depending on workload.

I can usually get away after 3:00 PM on weekdays, as well.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"GaryM" wrote...
"Tim J." wrote:

That's one *hell* of a caveat, Gary! g

I had a feeling it might be. I've done a little troutfishing in mid-
July in New England. By the way, what bugs are on the water these days?

Most caddis (tan, gray, brown), sulphurs, March brown, light Cahill are all
doing well. Attractor patterns (Adams, Wulffs) have a lot of success, too. The
usual suspects as far as nymphs are concerned (GRHE, PT), and GRW and/or green
weenies may be the ticket soon. I fished a few gasp streamers a week or so ago
and came up with a couple of brutes. I'll try to get out between now and then
and get the latest news. George - can you add to this?

BTW, tree branches are out in force, so bring something to roll cast. :)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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From: "Tim J."

"GaryM" wrote...

By the way, what bugs are on the water these days?

George - can you add to this?

What Tim said, plus midges. Griffith's Gnat for the surface, ang Jong Midge
underneath. Caught a bunch of fish last evening on a size 20 Jong, and several
of them were literally stuffed to the gills with midge larvae.

Sulphurs seem to be waning, but for such a short river, there can be a big
variation in hatches. I haven't been above Rte 9 in a couple weeks, but I'll
bet the Sulphurs are still strong up there.

Don't overlook terrestrials. I know one guy who uses only inchworms in the
summer and does quite well there. Small black ants do well too.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"George Adams" wrote...
snip
What Tim said, plus midges. Griffith's Gnat for the surface, ang Jong Midge
underneath. Caught a bunch of fish last evening on a size 20 Jong, and several
of them were literally stuffed to the gills with midge larvae.

Please share. I don't believe I've ever seen that Jong Midge pattern.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
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From: "Tim J."

Please share. I don't believe I've ever seen that Jong Midge pattern.

It's either Jong or Yong, I don't remember. Anyhow, patterns don't come much
simpler.
Hook: Any, size 18 and smaller.
Tail: None
Body: Coats & Clark medium brown all
purpose sewing thread.
Head: Black tying thread.

Twist the sewing thread while tying to give a segmented appearance. The color
of the thread can be changed to imitate the midge du jour. Sometimes I
substitute a black glass bead for the head.

Adding a short wing of CDC or Hare's foot turns it into an emerger.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

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"George Adams" wrote in message
...
From: "Tim J."

Please share. I don't believe I've ever seen that Jong Midge pattern.

It's either Jong or Yong, snip

Ah HA! That was the key - it appears to be Yong: http://tinyurl.com/4nvkz

It looks nice and simple - just the way I like 'em. Were you fishing it all the
way to the bottom?
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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From: "Tim J."

It looks nice and simple - just the way I like 'em. Were you fishing it all
the
way to the bottom?

I tried my best, but the damn fish kept grabbing it before it had a chance to
sink. G
Actually, I caught most of the fish on the bottom, but a few grabbed it on the
way down. Also caught a few on a small Sparkle Pupa. Water was low, but
probably not for much longer, there was heavy overcast and some fog. Very few
fish rising.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

Spring fishing on the Cape
 

From: "Tim J."

It looks nice and simple - just the way I like 'em. Were you fishing it all
the
way to the bottom?

I tried my best, but the damn fish kept grabbing it before it had a chance to
sink. G
Actually, I caught most of the fish on the bottom, but a few grabbed it on the
way down. Also caught a few on a small Sparkle Pupa. Water was low, but
probably not for much longer, there was heavy overcast and some fog. Very few
fish rising.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller