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"Flyfish" wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote in gy.com: Can you believe this ? In the friggin' 21st century ?!? In AMERICA !?!? http://www.theiowachannel.com/educat...31/detail.html Thank god for fire codes, I guess. Highly amusing. Yeah, those darned liberals.......they're always good for a laugh. :) Imbecile. Wolfgang |
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"Flyfish" wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote in gy.com: Can you believe this ? In the friggin' 21st century ?!? In AMERICA !?!? http://www.theiowachannel.com/educat...31/detail.html Thank god for fire codes, I guess. Highly amusing. Yeah, those darned liberals.......they're always good for a laugh. :) Imbecile. Wolfgang Gosh I could have sworn it was some religious right wingers burning books. Flyfish |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:54:43 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Can you believe this ? In the friggin' 21st century ?!? In AMERICA !?!? http://www.theiowachannel.com/educat...31/detail.html Thank god for fire codes, I guess. I want to be there to pick up the trash after that. Good pickin's |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote: Can you believe this ? In the friggin' 21st century ?!? In AMERICA !?!? http://www.theiowachannel.com/educat...31/detail.html Thank god for fire codes, I guess. I didn't see a single reference to the "Republicans" your Subject Line refers to. Jumping to conclusions again, eh? As much as it might surprise you, Ken, there are religiously conservative folks who are registered and even vote Democrat. Most of them are union workers. ;) Book burning, flag burning, hell--pass the marshmallows! -- email:remove tt |
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Frank Reid wrote:
One of the key advantages of the modern media is that science fiction novels can now be printed faster than the local congregation can burn them. Ain't science wonderful. That reminds me of a lecture on black holes I attended about a decade ago. After an hour of presentation had concluded, one of the people in the audience, a certain Martinus Veltman, 1999 Nobel Laureate in Physics for his work in quantum electrodynamics, stood up, asked the speaker, "How much of this is science fiction," and promptly exited the auditorium before the stunned person could reply. I guess he's no believer in warp drive or dilithium crystals. Burning books or burning flags is Ok by me as long is it is a matter of expression and not policy. __________________________________________________ _____________________ \ Mu Young Lee remove all dashes and underscores in reply address |
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:52:16 -0400, "Jim" wrote: Whether you agree with their actions, don't they have as much right to burn them as you have to read them? I think that the Taliban used similar logic for destroying those statues. That aside, if the books, etc are theirs, yes, tho I'd object if they were destroying the only known copies of some works. good point, greg. i am a lover of books, and as i think i have stated earlier, anyone visiting my home would probably notice that first off. while i am *personally* offended by the action of book burning, i have to support the right of an individual or group to do so, (however distasteful i may find it), if i am to justify my right to read, say, and write whatever i want, or even stand on the at the intersection of 105 and 321 , participating in an anti-war protest. it is a difficult juxtaposition to accept, but a necessary one. to support greg's statement, i would become more concerned over the burning of non- duplicated materials, however. |
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"Mu Young Lee" wrote in message pcc.itd.umich.edu... On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Frank Reid wrote: One of the key advantages of the modern media is that science fiction novels can now be printed faster than the local congregation can burn them. Ain't science wonderful. That reminds me of a lecture on black holes I attended about a decade ago. You're lucky you got out of there alive........um.....or at all, for that matter. After an hour of presentation had concluded, one of the people in the audience, a certain Martinus Veltman, 1999 Nobel Laureate in Physics for his work in quantum electrodynamics, stood up, asked the speaker, "How much of this is science fiction," and promptly exited the auditorium before the stunned person could reply. I guess he's no believer in warp drive or dilithium crystals. I remember watching part of a TV program on "The Science of Star Trek" or some such **** a couple of years ago. Depending on how one looks at it, it would have been very funny if it weren't so pathetic......or vice versa. :) Burning books or burning flags is Ok by me as long is it is a matter of expression and not policy. Only a true book lover can fully appreciate how many of them are badly in need of burning. :( Wolfgang who, upon reflection, supposes the same can be said of flags. :) |
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"snakefiddler" wrote in message ... "Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:52:16 -0400, "Jim" wrote: Whether you agree with their actions, don't they have as much right to burn them as you have to read them? I think that the Taliban used similar logic for destroying those statues. That aside, if the books, etc are theirs, yes, tho I'd object if they were destroying the only known copies of some works. good point, greg. i am a lover of books, and as i think i have stated earlier, anyone visiting my home would probably notice that first off. I would. Bookshelves, if present, are about the first things I notice when entering someone's house for the first time.......usually. while i am *personally* offended by the action of book burning, i have to support the right of an individual or group to do so, (however distasteful i may find it), if i am to justify my right to read, say, and write whatever i want, or even stand on the at the intersection of 105 and 321 , participating in an anti-war protest. it is a difficult juxtaposition to accept, but a necessary one. to support greg's statement, i would become more concerned over the burning of non- duplicated materials, however. So much in life depends on perspective. As has been pointed out, burning books is largely a symbolic gesture these days.......has been at least since the invention of the linotype, which allowed cheap and easy mass production. Except in the noted exception of rare works (which rarely fall into the hands of anyone who wants to burn them......thieves for profit are another matter entirely) no harm is done by the actual burning of the books. In fact, if all the would be book burners in today's world were given free reign, their efforts would be negligible, if even noticeable, as compared to what is routinely discarded on a daily basis. Personally, I believe they SHOULD be given free reign and all the publicity they want. All I ask is that the faces in the crowd be recorded. It is good to know who the enemy is. And preventing them from burning books will not stop them from being book burners. Dickie's inability to distinguish between people who burn flags and flag burners notwithstanding, I should think that people concerned about the latter would benefit from taking a similar perspective. Of course, they don't. This doesn't make them idiots......it merely illustrates that they are. Wolfgang |
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"B J Conner" wrote in message ... I would not make that assumption, most of them don't read. They would have to buy books to bring to the fire. It's amazing how quickly all the fun and excitement of a good 'ol book burnin' can turn nasty, once one throws a few Bibles on the flamin' embers! mark |
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"Jim" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... bunch of stuff snipped Personally, I believe they SHOULD be given free reign and all the publicity they want. All I ask is that the faces in the crowd be recorded. And who would keep these records of the faces in the crowd? Hm........same folks who do it now, I suppose. And how would it be discerned whether the face in the crowd was a book burning supporter, just someone that happened by, or someone protesting the book buring itself? How do you determine anything that you want to know? Seems a very slippery slope. True. It could easily lead to things like public records of court proceedings, county board meetings, church socials, athletic events, crimes, fires, etc. Frankly, if someone wants to burn a book, and its their's to burn (or read, or give away), then I support their right to do so. Me too. Um......I guess I should have mentioned that, huh? As stated elsewhere, those owning rare books are unlikely to incinerate them. Yeah, that sounds familiar. It is good to know who the enemy is. Wolfgang Agreed. But is the enemy the person exercising their First Amendment rights, or the person attempting to prohibit that expression? Well, I guess that depends on where you stand on issues like first amendment rights. Wolfgang |
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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Let me ask you this, what is book burning if not the antithesis of free speech ? A good way to roast marshmallows? Book burners are symbolically saying that these books, this "speech", is unfit and should be burned rather than read. That might be what _you_ think they're saying, but not all of us agree...remember, they're burning _their_ _copy_ of a "speech". OK, so they're just using books to roast their marshmallows and the books in the fire are just as likely to be C.S. Lewis Narnia books, Tim LaHaye "Left Behind" books and ratty old, dog-eared bibles as any other book ever published. No symbolism, no disagreement with anything in any of the books being burned, just an old fashioned book burning to have a nice little social gathering around the fire. And I guess cross burnings are really just ice cream socials that happen to be held at night. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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B J Conner wrote:
Nothing wrong with burning books, you can't burn ideals. I strongly disagree. There is a great deal wrong with burning books. It shouldn't be illegal, it's a form of speech, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing wrong with it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Particle Salad" wrote in message om... Let me ask you this, what is book burning if not the antithesis of free speech ? Book burners are symbolically saying that these books, this "speech", is unfit and should be burned rather than read. Should people have the free speech right to call for the abolition of free speech ? Of course they should, but let's not for one moment lose sight of who the enemy is here. Much like those who burn the flag, I think people who burn books are missing the irony. They are exercizing their free speech rights in the process. Oh, there's irony enough to go around on all sides of this one. What always gets lost in the posturing is the simple, indisputable, and crucial fact that NO ONE is in favor of unlimited free speech. Wolfgang which, if you think about it, makes it just like any other issue. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . .. B J Conner wrote: Nothing wrong with burning books, you can't burn ideals. I strongly disagree. There is a great deal wrong with burning books. It shouldn't be illegal, it's a form of speech, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing wrong with it. -- Ken Fortenberry I agree. We go to a recycling center here and they have a dumpster or two for hard cover books, one for magazines and the usual carboard, newspaper etc. The ultimate recycling for a book or magazine is to take it and read it again. It bothers me to know that in that dumpster is a book someone, somewhere would want to read. |
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