Jaws dialog question...
 

I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one of his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots", and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't come up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was referring to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in his mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

.....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)
http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots", and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod" seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too. While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots", and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod" seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too. While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots", and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod" seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too. While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots", and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Tomcod are like prawns--- as likely to be in fresh water as salt. brackish
mixed waters. I presume it was chosen because of its small size, rarely
over a foot long.... similar to a large bluegill in size. Not a great
tackle-buster, at any rate.

I live on the Great Lakes. Most of our best sport fish are now adapted from
salt water varieties, but never see the sea. Chinooks, atlantics, cohos,
several types of striper/wiper/white bass hybrids.

Pepperoni

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod"
seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in
that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to
both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too.
While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the
same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all
make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem
to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that
I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have
different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots",
and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to
tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in
his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Tomcod are like prawns--- as likely to be in fresh water as salt. brackish
mixed waters. I presume it was chosen because of its small size, rarely
over a foot long.... similar to a large bluegill in size. Not a great
tackle-buster, at any rate.

I live on the Great Lakes. Most of our best sport fish are now adapted from
salt water varieties, but never see the sea. Chinooks, atlantics, cohos,
several types of striper/wiper/white bass hybrids.

Pepperoni

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod"
seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in
that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to
both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too.
While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the
same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all
make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem
to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that
I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have
different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots",
and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to
tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in
his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Tomcod are like prawns--- as likely to be in fresh water as salt. brackish
mixed waters. I presume it was chosen because of its small size, rarely
over a foot long.... similar to a large bluegill in size. Not a great
tackle-buster, at any rate.

I live on the Great Lakes. Most of our best sport fish are now adapted from
salt water varieties, but never see the sea. Chinooks, atlantics, cohos,
several types of striper/wiper/white bass hybrids.

Pepperoni

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod"
seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in
that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to
both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too.
While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the
same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all
make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem
to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that
I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have
different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots",
and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to
tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in
his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

wrote in message
...

I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers


I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe it.

Pepperoni

Jaws dialog question...
 

wrote in message
...

I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers


I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe it.

Pepperoni

Jaws dialog question...
 

Well in that case it looks like Mr. Cod is the most-likely suspect.
Thanks for all the good info Pepperoni.
-Kent


"Pepperoni" wrote in message
...
Tomcod are like prawns--- as likely to be in fresh water as salt.
brackish
mixed waters. I presume it was chosen because of its small size, rarely
over a foot long.... similar to a large bluegill in size. Not a great
tackle-buster, at any rate.

I live on the Great Lakes. Most of our best sport fish are now adapted
from
salt water varieties, but never see the sea. Chinooks, atlantics, cohos,
several types of striper/wiper/white bass hybrids.

Pepperoni

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod"
seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation
of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in
that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to
both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too.
While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond
simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the
same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what
he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all
make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem
to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that
I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers
one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all
know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it
ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have
different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots",
and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to
tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in
his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Well in that case it looks like Mr. Cod is the most-likely suspect.
Thanks for all the good info Pepperoni.
-Kent


"Pepperoni" wrote in message
...
Tomcod are like prawns--- as likely to be in fresh water as salt.
brackish
mixed waters. I presume it was chosen because of its small size, rarely
over a foot long.... similar to a large bluegill in size. Not a great
tackle-buster, at any rate.

I live on the Great Lakes. Most of our best sport fish are now adapted
from
salt water varieties, but never see the sea. Chinooks, atlantics, cohos,
several types of striper/wiper/white bass hybrids.

Pepperoni

"K" wrote in message
link.net...
Well this is interesting. Pepperoni, your suggestion of "tommy cod"
seems
very good because if one does some searches, that's the only variation
of
names that actually produces references to a fish by that name, like in
that
site you mentioned. I've found several other sites today that refer to
both
"tomcods" and "tommy cods". But Ahab, you make a good point, too.
While
we don't really know if the "pond" Quint is referring to is a typical
fresh-water pond or the salt water "pond" (which they had in Amity), it
seems more likely that he might be referring to a fresh-water pond
simply
because bluegills are fresh-water fish and Quint named both fish in the
same
sentence. That's another reason I thought that "tommy cats" was what
he
was saying. I assumed that was some type of catfish and that would all
make
sense. Except of course for the fact that "tommy cat" just doesn't seem
to
be a name of any fish at all and doesn't show up on any web sites that
I've
found.



wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:07:05 -0400, "Pepperoni"
wrote:

....Maybe "tommycod" (Tomcod)
9-12 inches long (may be 15)

The frame of reference would lead one to think he was speaking of
fresh water fish.


http://octopus.gma.org/fogm/Microgadus_tomcod.htm

"K" wrote in message
hlink.net...
I figured a fishing group was the best place to ask this one...
In the movie Jaws, Robert Shaw playing the part of Quint delivers
one
of
his
memorable speeches in the town hall meeting. It goes: "Y'all
know
me.
Know how I earn a livin'. I'll catch this bird for ya, but it
ain't
gonna
be easy... Bad fish. It's not like goin' down to the pond chasin'
bluegills or something.
Anyone know what that something is? It seems people have
different
interpretations of what he said, including "tommycats", tommycots",
and
"tommycocks". I've done searches on all three but so far haven't
come
up
with anything relating to fish. Anyone know what fish he was
referring
to?
To me it kind of sounds like "tommycats", but it's kind of hard to
tell
because in the movie he was sticking a potato chip or something in
his
mouth
just as he said it.
Thanks for any ideas.
-Kent

Jaws dialog question...
 

Pepperoni wrote:
wrote in message
...

I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers



I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe it.

You're right and people would be within their right not to believe it.
The World record Bluegill was a little over 4 pounds and just a tad over
14 inches in length. IIRC the Florida state record is less than 3
pounds and they grow big down there in that kind of climate. Anywhere a
Pike will live is not the ideal climate for Bluegill so you would have
to excuse me if I suspect I'm hearing a fish story. Sure you are not
confusing Bluegill with Yellow Perch or something? Hunting in packs, in
a line, with their backs out of the water and eyes just below the
surface ................. sorry, a Bluegills natural shape which is like
a dinner plate doesn't allow this to happen. Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry

Jaws dialog question...
 

Pepperoni wrote:
wrote in message
...

I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers



I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe it.

You're right and people would be within their right not to believe it.
The World record Bluegill was a little over 4 pounds and just a tad over
14 inches in length. IIRC the Florida state record is less than 3
pounds and they grow big down there in that kind of climate. Anywhere a
Pike will live is not the ideal climate for Bluegill so you would have
to excuse me if I suspect I'm hearing a fish story. Sure you are not
confusing Bluegill with Yellow Perch or something? Hunting in packs, in
a line, with their backs out of the water and eyes just below the
surface ................. sorry, a Bluegills natural shape which is like
a dinner plate doesn't allow this to happen. Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry

Jaws dialog question...
 

Jerry wrote:

Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry

True they are fighters

False they will bust 4# line in a heart beat

That is if you have your drag set right, and they don't snag you up

My personal 4 lb test record fish is a 22 lb flat head catfish, it did
take a very long time to get a net on it,, but we did it (I had help
netting it)

I was blue gill fishing and the flat head hit a single cricket on an
number 8 long shank hook, I had a 12 foot fly weight crappie rod , and a
reel with 200 yds of 4 # test on it, I really doubt if I could have
landed it with a different rod, that limber rod took a lot of shock out
of the line

Now a real fighter is the hybrid stripe, it puts the L.M. to shame, this
spring I landed nearly a 12 lber on 6 lb test line, I was not fishing
for hybrids when this fish hit, If I had known there were any there, I
would have reached over in the truck and pulled out a much heaver rig
with 17 Lb test on it. I was fishing for little two lb spotted bass,
they are a blast on that ultra light rig, I got the shock of my life
when that striper, nearly spooled me before it ever turned

I have photo's of the fish and the little rig I caught him on




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Jaws dialog question...
 

Jerry wrote:

Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry

True they are fighters

False they will bust 4# line in a heart beat

That is if you have your drag set right, and they don't snag you up

My personal 4 lb test record fish is a 22 lb flat head catfish, it did
take a very long time to get a net on it,, but we did it (I had help
netting it)

I was blue gill fishing and the flat head hit a single cricket on an
number 8 long shank hook, I had a 12 foot fly weight crappie rod , and a
reel with 200 yds of 4 # test on it, I really doubt if I could have
landed it with a different rod, that limber rod took a lot of shock out
of the line

Now a real fighter is the hybrid stripe, it puts the L.M. to shame, this
spring I landed nearly a 12 lber on 6 lb test line, I was not fishing
for hybrids when this fish hit, If I had known there were any there, I
would have reached over in the truck and pulled out a much heaver rig
with 17 Lb test on it. I was fishing for little two lb spotted bass,
they are a blast on that ultra light rig, I got the shock of my life
when that striper, nearly spooled me before it ever turned

I have photo's of the fish and the little rig I caught him on




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Jaws dialog question...
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
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Pepperoni wrote:
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I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big
problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor
rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the
pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting
in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake
or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit
stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe
it.

You're right and people would be within their right not to believe it.
The World record Bluegill was a little over 4 pounds and just a tad over
14 inches in length. IIRC the Florida state record is less than 3
pounds and they grow big down there in that kind of climate. Anywhere a
Pike will live is not the ideal climate for Bluegill so you would have
to excuse me if I suspect I'm hearing a fish story. Sure you are not
confusing Bluegill with Yellow Perch or something? Hunting in packs, in
a line, with their backs out of the water and eyes just below the
surface ................. sorry, a Bluegills natural shape which is like
a dinner plate doesn't allow this to happen. Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry


Well, I suppose you have never seen 'gills swimming the surface. It is a
strange sight until you figure out what it is. Their shape is the reason
their backs will show as little crescents, and a school moving this way (in
a line) makes it look like some other strange critter.

I assure you, Michigan grows some fine bluegills. The large ones like big
water and are predatory. They hunt in packs and are too big for all but the
largest pike to eat. We sometimes do catch them with the scales rubbed off
of one side where a pike has TRIED to eat one.

Michigan state record was 2lb 12 oz, and 13.75 inches, caught in 1983 in
Alcona County. (which is 200 miles north of here)
http://www.hotspotfishing.com/record...s-Michigan.asp

I rarely break off anything using 4# test. Fishing in open water with a
smooth drag and a 12 foot UL rod. He's not going anywhere. I do use a
landing net.

Don't write off light tackle. I've been catching flatheads this year with
my UL rod and reel. (I did go to superlines for the heavy guys, though)
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/flathead2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/earlymorncarp.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/flathead1.jpg
The rod is the upper section of one of my 12 foot rods with a handle kit.
The short (6') length makes fishing the brush along the river easier. It's
still a bit whippy, but works well with the spiderwire, which has no
stretch.

These were the first flatheads I've seen on the river. We do have some fine
channels. though.
flatheads, 8-12 pounds caught on hot dog bait, carp to 22 pounds caught on
corn. All handled with a 6 foot UL rod rated for 4# test.

That spiderwire is great for cutting weeds. I have a huge arc mowed; I
just let the big carp run and listen to the weeds getting cut. tonk, tonk,
tonk.

Pepperoni

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"Jerry" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Pepperoni wrote:
wrote in message
...


I fish 'em on 4# test. They run more like 11 1/4 inches. Not a big
problem
on open water, if you don't mind the boat spinning around the anchor
rope a
few times. Once a bluegill gets that big, he's too big for most of the
pike
to handle. They hunt in packs and fear nothing. I've seen them hunting
in
a line at dawn, with their backs out of the water---- looks like a snake
or
something moving on the surface. They are swimming with their eyes just
below the surface, hunting bugs, I presume.

People think of bluegills as 4-5 inches and kid stuff, but a limit
stringer
of 25 big gills weighs about 50 pounds and is a real "event" on the boat
ramp. People seing a full string for the first time, just can't believe
it.

You're right and people would be within their right not to believe it.
The World record Bluegill was a little over 4 pounds and just a tad over
14 inches in length. IIRC the Florida state record is less than 3
pounds and they grow big down there in that kind of climate. Anywhere a
Pike will live is not the ideal climate for Bluegill so you would have
to excuse me if I suspect I'm hearing a fish story. Sure you are not
confusing Bluegill with Yellow Perch or something? Hunting in packs, in
a line, with their backs out of the water and eyes just below the
surface ................. sorry, a Bluegills natural shape which is like
a dinner plate doesn't allow this to happen. Not calling you a liar
mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry


Well, I suppose you have never seen 'gills swimming the surface. It is a
strange sight until you figure out what it is. Their shape is the reason
their backs will show as little crescents, and a school moving this way (in
a line) makes it look like some other strange critter.

I assure you, Michigan grows some fine bluegills. The large ones like big
water and are predatory. They hunt in packs and are too big for all but the
largest pike to eat. We sometimes do catch them with the scales rubbed off
of one side where a pike has TRIED to eat one.

Michigan state record was 2lb 12 oz, and 13.75 inches, caught in 1983 in
Alcona County. (which is 200 miles north of here)
http://www.hotspotfishing.com/record...s-Michigan.asp

I rarely break off anything using 4# test. Fishing in open water with a
smooth drag and a 12 foot UL rod. He's not going anywhere. I do use a
landing net.

Don't write off light tackle. I've been catching flatheads this year with
my UL rod and reel. (I did go to superlines for the heavy guys, though)
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/flathead2.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/earlymorncarp.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~catfisher88/flathead1.jpg
The rod is the upper section of one of my 12 foot rods with a handle kit.
The short (6') length makes fishing the brush along the river easier. It's
still a bit whippy, but works well with the spiderwire, which has no
stretch.

These were the first flatheads I've seen on the river. We do have some fine
channels. though.
flatheads, 8-12 pounds caught on hot dog bait, carp to 22 pounds caught on
corn. All handled with a 6 foot UL rod rated for 4# test.

That spiderwire is great for cutting weeds. I have a huge arc mowed; I
just let the big carp run and listen to the weeds getting cut. tonk, tonk,
tonk.

Pepperoni

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I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers

I catch 9 to 10 inch bluegill weighing 12 to 16 ounces out of my pond regularly
- on a Shakesphere ultralight rod and reel and 4 pound line. Don't think I
have caught a 12 incher yet - they are still growing - but I don't think one
two inches longer is gonna be that much stronger. I have caught two pound bass
14 inches long on that same outfit and the bass fight harder, but they are
bigger.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Jaws dialog question...
 

I suggest that a "foot long bluegill" is going to "bust" your tackle
unless you hook him on bass fishing gear -- even then he'll let you
know he was there ;-)

Cheers

I catch 9 to 10 inch bluegill weighing 12 to 16 ounces out of my pond regularly
- on a Shakesphere ultralight rod and reel and 4 pound line. Don't think I
have caught a 12 incher yet - they are still growing - but I don't think one
two inches longer is gonna be that much stronger. I have caught two pound bass
14 inches long on that same outfit and the bass fight harder, but they are
bigger.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

Jaws dialog question...
 

Rodney wrote:
Jerry wrote:

Not calling you a liar

mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry


True they are fighters

False they will bust 4# line in a heart beat

That is if you have your drag set right, and they don't snag you up


No it is not false and you can't have it both ways by qualifying it with
"if you have your drag set right". I'm not saying you can't land them
or even larger fish on light line and tackle but to say you got 50 of
them for a total of 25 pounds and 11.25 inches are caught regularly is
stretching things. Most people who fish for them most likely do use 2,4
or 6 pound test line but if they did run that large all the time you're
gonna bust a lot of line. I'm sure 11-12 inch Bluegill are caught at
times but they just are not caught on a regular bases, especially in the
northern states where the growth rate is slower. The state record for
Michigan is 2# 12 oz with a length of 13.75 inches so I really don't
think (and I could be wrong but) 11.25 inches is common. I think this
kind of sums it up for the average Bullgills in Michigan.
http://mi.lake-link.com/anglers/gall...s.cfm?FishID=4

Jerry

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"Jerry" wrote in message
link.net...
Rodney wrote:
Jerry wrote:

Not calling you a liar

mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry


True they are fighters

False they will bust 4# line in a heart beat

That is if you have your drag set right, and they don't snag you up


No it is not false and you can't have it both ways by qualifying it with
"if you have your drag set right". I'm not saying you can't land them
or even larger fish on light line and tackle but to say you got 50 of
them for a total of 25 pounds and 11.25 inches are caught regularly is
stretching things. Most people who fish for them most likely do use 2,4
or 6 pound test line but if they did run that large all the time you're
gonna bust a lot of line. I'm sure 11-12 inch Bluegill are caught at
times but they just are not caught on a regular bases, especially in the
northern states where the growth rate is slower. The state record for
Michigan is 2# 12 oz with a length of 13.75 inches so I really don't
think (and I could be wrong but) 11.25 inches is common. I think this
kind of sums it up for the average Bullgills in Michigan.
http://mi.lake-link.com/anglers/gall...s.cfm?FishID=4

Jerry


Well, those who "know what they're doing" can indeed catch limits of
bluegills over 10 inches, and won't break a line all day. They are fishing
light line and crickets in 20 feet of water (near a steep weedy dropoff),
and won't break a line. There's nothing to break a line "on". Sure, the
shore fishermen catch a few of the big ones by accident, but the two old
guys in the rowboat (probably using cane poles) anchored outside the
weedline, are filling a gunny sack.

Just for a change-of-pace, they'll take along a bucket of minnows and take a
limit of monster crappies in the same spot. While the sportsmen are
flailing themselves to death (and amusing the bass), they will be sitting
patiently, smoking a cigarette and hauling in a big 'gill every 5 minutes,
"just-like-clockwork". (that works out to about 12 fish an hour)

You can spend a lifetime fishing in the weeds for the 6 inchers, and never
even know that big 'gills are open water fish that rarely get into water
less than 5 feet deep. The little guys are in the weeds to hide, the big
guys aren't afraid of anything.

If you ever do try light line, your drag setting will be your first and most
important concern. The big bluegills and crappies will make it sing, but
they won't run far. They may spin your boat around a few times, but once you
get a short line on them, you can slide them across the surface on their
sides, right into the net.

Pepperoni

Jaws dialog question...
 

"Jerry" wrote in message
link.net...
Rodney wrote:
Jerry wrote:

Not calling you a liar

mind you, only just as I said I suspect a fish story being spun here.
BTW, a 11.25 inch Bluegill would bust 4# test line in a heart beat.
Pound for pound they will out fight a large mouth bass any day.

Jerry


True they are fighters

False they will bust 4# line in a heart beat

That is if you have your drag set right, and they don't snag you up


No it is not false and you can't have it both ways by qualifying it with
"if you have your drag set right". I'm not saying you can't land them
or even larger fish on light line and tackle but to say you got 50 of
them for a total of 25 pounds and 11.25 inches are caught regularly is
stretching things. Most people who fish for them most likely do use 2,4
or 6 pound test line but if they did run that large all the time you're
gonna bust a lot of line. I'm sure 11-12 inch Bluegill are caught at
times but they just are not caught on a regular bases, especially in the
northern states where the growth rate is slower. The state record for
Michigan is 2# 12 oz with a length of 13.75 inches so I really don't
think (and I could be wrong but) 11.25 inches is common. I think this
kind of sums it up for the average Bullgills in Michigan.
http://mi.lake-link.com/anglers/gall...s.cfm?FishID=4

Jerry


Well, those who "know what they're doing" can indeed catch limits of
bluegills over 10 inches, and won't break a line all day. They are fishing
light line and crickets in 20 feet of water (near a steep weedy dropoff),
and won't break a line. There's nothing to break a line "on". Sure, the
shore fishermen catch a few of the big ones by accident, but the two old
guys in the rowboat (probably using cane poles) anchored outside the
weedline, are filling a gunny sack.

Just for a change-of-pace, they'll take along a bucket of minnows and take a
limit of monster crappies in the same spot. While the sportsmen are
flailing themselves to death (and amusing the bass), they will be sitting
patiently, smoking a cigarette and hauling in a big 'gill every 5 minutes,
"just-like-clockwork". (that works out to about 12 fish an hour)

You can spend a lifetime fishing in the weeds for the 6 inchers, and never
even know that big 'gills are open water fish that rarely get into water
less than 5 feet deep. The little guys are in the weeds to hide, the big
guys aren't afraid of anything.

If you ever do try light line, your drag setting will be your first and most
important concern. The big bluegills and crappies will make it sing, but
they won't run far. They may spin your boat around a few times, but once you
get a short line on them, you can slide them across the surface on their
sides, right into the net.

Pepperoni

Jaws dialog question...
 

Here's one for ya, Jerry.
http://www.dansfishinhole.com/bluegill.htm
Technically, not a pure "bluegill", but a redear (shellcracker) sunfish.


"Jerry" wrote in message
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Jaws dialog question...
 

Here's one for ya, Jerry.
http://www.dansfishinhole.com/bluegill.htm
Technically, not a pure "bluegill", but a redear (shellcracker) sunfish.


"Jerry" wrote in message
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Jaws dialog question...
 

Pepperoni wrote:

If you ever do try light line, your drag setting will be your first and most
important concern. The big bluegills and crappies will make it sing, but
they won't run far. They may spin your boat around a few times, but once you
get a short line on them, you can slide them across the surface on their
sides, right into the net.

You continue to miss what I am saying. I'm not saying you don't have
nor do you occasional catch large Bluegills. Nor am I saying you should
not use light line. I do both of these things all the time as I live
right on a lake that has plenty of Bluegills and and Crappie and I fish
for them at least two days of the week all year as well as for Blue and
channel catfish. No I do not fish in shallow water from shore as I use
either my pontoon boat or Jonboat. Now, even a 20 pound Blue cat does
not spin my boat around much less a Bluegill on light line. I catch
plenty of slab size crappie and bluegills and I use 4-6 pound line for
all of them with the drag on my reels properly set. So when you try to
convince me that the Bluegills in Michigan are so large that they are
spinning the boat around of old men with cane poles, you're spinning a
fish story. Nice story but nevertheless a fish story. BTW, having
lived in Florida a couple years I'm well aware what a shellcracker is.
Most of these fish are caught on the beds in shallow water during
spawning season.

Jerry

Jaws dialog question...
 

Pepperoni wrote:

If you ever do try light line, your drag setting will be your first and most
important concern. The big bluegills and crappies will make it sing, but
they won't run far. They may spin your boat around a few times, but once you
get a short line on them, you can slide them across the surface on their
sides, right into the net.

You continue to miss what I am saying. I'm not saying you don't have
nor do you occasional catch large Bluegills. Nor am I saying you should
not use light line. I do both of these things all the time as I live
right on a lake that has plenty of Bluegills and and Crappie and I fish
for them at least two days of the week all year as well as for Blue and
channel catfish. No I do not fish in shallow water from shore as I use
either my pontoon boat or Jonboat. Now, even a 20 pound Blue cat does
not spin my boat around much less a Bluegill on light line. I catch
plenty of slab size crappie and bluegills and I use 4-6 pound line for
all of them with the drag on my reels properly set. So when you try to
convince me that the Bluegills in Michigan are so large that they are
spinning the boat around of old men with cane poles, you're spinning a
fish story. Nice story but nevertheless a fish story. BTW, having
lived in Florida a couple years I'm well aware what a shellcracker is.
Most of these fish are caught on the beds in shallow water during
spawning season.

Jerry

Jaws dialog question...
 

Pepperoni wrote:

If you ever do try light line, your drag setting will be your first and most
important concern. The big bluegills and crappies will make it sing, but
they won't run far. They may spin your boat around a few times, but once you
get a short line on them, you can slide them across the surface on their
sides, right into the net.

You continue to miss what I am saying. I'm not saying you don't have
nor do you occasional catch large Bluegills. Nor am I saying you should
not use light line. I do both of these things all the time as I live
right on a lake that has plenty of Bluegills and and Crappie and I fish
for them at least two days of the week all year as well as for Blue and
channel catfish. No I do not fish in shallow water from shore as I use
either my pontoon boat or Jonboat. Now, even a 20 pound Blue cat does
not spin my boat around much less a Bluegill on light line. I catch
plenty of slab size crappie and bluegills and I use 4-6 pound line for
all of them with the drag on my reels properly set. So when you try to
convince me that the Bluegills in Michigan are so large that they are
spinning the boat around of old men with cane poles, you're spinning a
fish story. Nice story but nevertheless a fish story. BTW, having
lived in Florida a couple years I'm well aware what a shellcracker is.
Most of these fish are caught on the beds in shallow water during
spawning season.

Jerry