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The Sport of Carp Fishing
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It's carp diem Most 'rough' fans know only one fish can seize their day 06:35 PM CST on Saturday, March 18, 2006 By RAY SASSER / The Dallas Morning News AUSTIN – It's a laidback fishing deal at Emma Long Metropolitan Park on Lake Austin. The lake is really a wide spot on the Colorado River. Million-dollar mansions are elegantly perched on live oak-covered hills surrounding the urban oasis. It's the sort of setting that makes the hills of northern Austin an uncommon place. Mark Villanova and Donnie Hutchinson are fishing for common carp in this uncommon place. They've driven down I-35 from their Dallas-area homes and spent the weekend lounging in camp chairs, playing with Villanova's two children (Jordan and Jasmine), waiting for the high-pitched alarm that signals a bite from the rubber-lipped queen of the rough fish. "Bugle-mouthed bass" is one euphemism for carp. If you look closely at Cyprinus carpio, you'll understand the description. These Asian imports have a profile that not even a mother could love. Motherly love aside, the common carp has an uncommon following among Texas anglers such as Villanova, who lives in Bedford, and Hutchinson, who lives in Lewisville. "We all started out as bass or crappie fishermen," says Hutchinson with a wry smile. "Once you've caught a carp, you never go back. We're on the verge of a major explosion in the sport of carp fishing." The carp occurs in virtually every water drainage in Texas. Villanova and Hutchinson have caught carp from lakes all around the Dallas area. Grapevine is a local favorite for carpaholics. Unlike other fishing devotees who fiercely defend their secrets, carp fans are evangelists. They post internet reports on the Texas Fishing Forum, often transmitting photos from lakeside. As the men fish, their cell phones ring regularly. The callers are fellow carp fanatics who are stuck at work, at soccer games or in traffic and can't wait for updates. These guys suffer from "carpio tunnel syndrome" or maybe "carpio tunnel vision." Their distinctive gear draws a crowd wherever they go. At Emma Long Metropolitan Park, a bass fisherman walking along the bank stops to inspect the setup. He's carrying a spinning rod with a shallow diving plug tied onto his line. "I caught a 17 on the weed line down the bank," he says. "You caught a 17-pound bass?" shouts an incredulous Hutchinson. "No, a 17-inch bass," the bass guy responds. "Oh, well, we deal in pounds and ounces, and our average carp from Lake Austin weighs about 20 pounds," says Hutchinson, who once caught a 65-pound smallmouth buffalo from the very spot he's fishing. It's not the biggest buffalo caught on a rod and reel in Texas (state record: 82.22 pounds), but it's probably the biggest caught by an angler intentionally fishing for rough fish. Buffalo are native rough fish, though not as common as carp. Carp anglers don't get a lot of attention because the American fishing industry doesn't make much profit off them. The local feed store makes more money from carp anglers than the Berkley Corporation does. Most carp guys fish from the bank. They don't own a boat and don't really need one. Villanova only uses his small aluminum boat to put out bait or check for bottom contours within casting distance of the bank. The specialized tackle used by carp anglers is mostly mail-ordered from Europe, where carp fishing is a big deal. Villanova and Hutchinson both use rod pods –specialized rod holders driven into the ground and hold three rods. The rods are long spinning ones capable of banging out a 100-yard cast. The rod pod is equipped with battery-powered strike alarms that sound off when a fish picks up the bait and swims away. The alarm also signals what's known as a drop-back bite. That's when a fish picks up the bait and swims toward the bank with it. The setup looks like something James Bond use to fish. "We spend a lot of time just waiting for a bite," Villanova said. "Carp fishing is a social sport. I bring my kids when possible, and we usually have a few other friends along." Carp anglers bait their fishing area with corn or livestock range cubes. Hutchinson may use 100 pounds of range cubes in a weekend. Some anglers customize their own bait, mixing ingredients such as breakfast cereal and Big Red or other sweet soft drinks. Since the tackle manufacturers haven't caught on to carp fishing, the anglers are ingenious in adapting specialized gear to their needs. Villanova uses a water balloon launcher – an oversized slingshot – to broadcast a double handful of range cubes even farther offshore than he can using a plastic throwing stick. Carp may look stupid, but they feed cautiously and are seldom caught on an artificial lure. The idea is to bait the carp into an area and get them feeding aggressively enough that they pick up a baited hook. The hook that Villanova uses is not really attached to the bait. It trails the bait on a short dropper line. Carp feed by sucking up small aquatic critters. They also suck up silt, which they expel. That's when the trailing hook, called a hair rig, hooks the fish. "The carp is almost always hooked in the lower lip," says Villanova. "With this rig, you don't even lose your bait." The lip-hooking technique is particularly important to carp fishermen, who go to great lengths not to damage these hardy fish. Carp are handled on a damp, padded mat that protects their slime coat. The hook is removed, and the fish is weighed and photographed. Carp anglers are so concerned about harming the fish that the protocol for photography dictates the fisherman kneel or squat while holding the fish. If the fish is accidentally dropped, it won't have so far to fall. Hook wounds and damaged fins are treated with antiseptic. During tournaments, carp are staked out in mesh bags while a weigh-master is called in to verify the catch. The fish are then released. Holding them overnight in a mesh bag submerged in the water doesn't seem to hurt the fish. Villanova and Hutchinson are practicing for the Bassmasters Classic of carp fishing. The fifth annual Austin Team Championship Tournament is Friday and Saturday, March 24-25, and the Texas Carp Challenge follows starting Sunday, March 26. Town Lake is considered the epicenter of carp angling, and fishermen from as far away as Europe are expected for the tournaments. A $250,000 prize awaits the fisherman who can break the Texas common carp record of 41.5 pounds during the Texas Carp Challenge. Town Lake produced the current record, and carp anglers are convinced that larger fish have been caught and released in these waters. A quarter of a million dollars would surely be considered a cure for the common carp. FOR MORE INFORMATION |
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"JMC" wrote in message SNIP "We all started out as bass or crappie fishermen," says Hutchinson with a wry smile. "Once you've caught a carp, you never go back. We're on the verge of a major explosion in the sport of carp fishing." LOL, bet me? -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"We all started out as bass or crappie fishermen," says Hutchinson with a wry smile. SNIP I started out as a crappy bass fisherman. Haven't changed much,either. |
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JMC wrote:
Carp anglers are so concerned about harming the fish that the protocol for photography dictates the fisherman kneel or squat while holding the fish. If the fish is accidentally dropped, it won't have so far to fall. Hook wounds and damaged fins are treated with antiseptic. Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. A $250,000 prize awaits the fisherman who can break the Texas common carp record of 41.5 pounds during the Texas Carp Challenge. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. A quarter of a million dollars would surely be considered a cure for the common carp. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. |
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I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter,
you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. |
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"greg" wrote, "I simply cant believe how ignorant you are"
I feel the same way about offtopic cross posters. Please try not to cross post to other groups. Some groups have charters, FAQ and posting guidelines, please try to observe them. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:59:11 -0500, "greg" sent into the ether: I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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"JMC" wrote in message link.net... http://tinyurl.com/ormrk It's carp diem Most 'rough' fans know only one fish can seize their day 06:35 PM CST on Saturday, March 18, 2006 By RAY SASSER / The Dallas Morning News AUSTIN – It's a laidback fishing deal at Emma Long Metropolitan Park on Lake Austin. The lake is really a wide spot on the Colorado River. Million-dollar mansions are elegantly perched on live oak-covered hills surrounding the urban oasis. It's the sort of setting that makes the hills of northern Austin an uncommon place. Mark Villanova and Donnie Hutchinson are fishing for common carp in this uncommon place. They've driven down I-35 from their Dallas-area homes and spent the weekend lounging in camp chairs, playing with Villanova's two children (Jordan and Jasmine), waiting for the high-pitched alarm that signals a bite from the rubber-lipped queen of the rough fish. "Bugle-mouthed bass" is one euphemism for carp. If you look closely at Cyprinus carpio, you'll understand the description. These Asian imports They were imported from Europe. "The first live carp ever seen in North America arrived in Boston in 1877. The 345 fish were accompanied by Rudolf Hessel, a scientist with the U.S. government's Fish Commission who had been sent to Europe to collect and bring back the prized game fish. Hessel stocked several ponds in Boston's Druid Hill Park with his specimens, and he was thrilled to find that the fish had no trouble at all surviving on this continent. In fact, Hessel's carp were soon crowding their ponds." http://www.acnatsci.org/education/kye/hi/exotics.html The black carp. grass carp, bighead carp, all of which while members of the carp family but don't exactly look like the carp we know are more recent imports from asia. |
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what is the topic of this thread? carp, isn't?
"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" wrote in message ... "greg" wrote, "I simply cant believe how ignorant you are" I feel the same way about offtopic cross posters. Please try not to cross post to other groups. Some groups have charters, FAQ and posting guidelines, please try to observe them. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:59:11 -0500, "greg" sent into the ether: I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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Yes, but you are posting about carp in the newsgroup
rec.outdoors.fishing.BASS That is what is known as off topic cross posting. greg wrote: what is the topic of this thread? carp, isn't? "Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" wrote in message ... "greg" wrote, "I simply cant believe how ignorant you are" I feel the same way about offtopic cross posters. Please try not to cross post to other groups. Some groups have charters, FAQ and posting guidelines, please try to observe them. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:59:11 -0500, "greg" sent into the ether: I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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"greg" wrote in
I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) I bet I wouldn't, nothing and I mean nothing beats the excitement I get from chasing bass down, I've fished for a lot of different fish, freshwater and sal****er alike, nothing gets my blood pumping faster than a bass hitting my lure or bait... Tuna come pretty close, but that's about it, but pound for pound the Bluegill might be the hardest fighting fish. I wish we had some 5 pound bluegills. Bluegill Master, I would sign up for that :-) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. |
The Sport of Carp Fishing
what are you guys talking about??? The original post was about carp, wasn't?
Also, I am MSC already, did you guys even start a college? "Henry Hefner" wrote in message oups.com... Yes, but you are posting about carp in the newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.BASS That is what is known as off topic cross posting. greg wrote: what is the topic of this thread? carp, isn't? "Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now" wrote in message ... "greg" wrote, "I simply cant believe how ignorant you are" I feel the same way about offtopic cross posters. Please try not to cross post to other groups. Some groups have charters, FAQ and posting guidelines, please try to observe them. On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:59:11 -0500, "greg" sent into the ether: I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) "E." wrote in message ... Down here the protocol is to cut their stinking heads off then let them go. There's no denying carp are a good fighting fish, but they are a destructive pest. Anyone releasing a carp deserves to have all their gear confiscated, and face court. That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them. E. I've learned that I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy it! Remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
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greg wrote:
I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. Then the States needs to urgently re-examine its policies, before its waterways are overrun, fouled up, and devoid of anything but mud puppies. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Making baseless statements makes you like stupid. I don't buy magazines unless they are giving away free stuff. I also don't fish for bass. Why would I when there are much better fish to target such as Murray Cod and Yellowbelly about? I also target carp regularly, but for different reasons. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! Pot, Kettle, Black. That bit on your map that says "here be dragons..." is actually The Rest Of The World. It exists. The US is not alone on planet earth. Introduced carp are a problem in many countries. I'm not denying that carp are a fun fish to catch, I just think promoting them is stupid due to the damage they have been proven to do. I don't think you'd win many freinds by illegaling stocking carp into a previously carp free waterway. I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) We already have carp killing tournaments to get rid of the pests. My comments are about releasing them or caring for the scumsuckers. Standard practice is to take a small axe to despatch them, so you don't foul a knife to be used on a decent fish. E. |
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greg wrote:
I simply cant believe how ignorant you are. If you were just a bit smarter, you would understand that carp days are coming and coming quickly to the States. You are simply so completely blinded with whatever all those colorful fishing magazines tell you that you would not even consider anything but bass fishing. Bass fishing is a lot of fun, but hey, open your eyes! I bet if someone in the USA starts up CarpMaster and put some money into marketing (and this will happen very soon) you will be the first one to switch :) As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!! Sure carp are fun to catch, shooting coyotes is fun too, and here, in the south, where coyotes are not native, that they have no place in our eco-system, we have fun eradicating them. Just like we do with the imported starlings If you like carp fishing ,, fine,, have at it, but remove every carp you catch, eat them , give them away, plant them in your garden, there sure is no shortage of them, and there never will be, untill we convince the DNR's to poison them "all". At least you crap fishermen can help control their numbers, then we bass fishermen, would not bad mouth ya'll so much. Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting them in huge numbers. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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"Rodney Long" wrote in message ... greg wrote: (clipped) Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting them in huge numbers. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com Isn't there a commercial market for them. Newspaper ran a story about commercial fishermen licensed to seine the Pec river in N. Ill. a few years ago. Asked the fishermen what they did with the Carp. Their answer "sold them to a major fast food chain"..which by the way, they wouldn't name. I always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it. Tom G. |
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Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote: As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!! We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants have been outstocked, then outbred by trout. Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with carp. Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting them in huge numbers. They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, E. |
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Tom G wrote:
"Rodney Long" wrote in message ... greg wrote: (clipped) Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting them in huge numbers. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com Isn't there a commercial market for them. Newspaper ran a story about commercial fishermen licensed to seine the Pec river in N. Ill. a few years ago. Asked the fishermen what they did with the Carp. Their answer "sold them to a major fast food chain"..which by the way, they wouldn't name. I always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it. Tom G. Anyone serving carp disguising it as something else is likely to end up gilled and gutted. E. |
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"E." wrote in message ... They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later) I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go, I love killing carp in large numbers. Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom) Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and all hanging below the net. I'll post some pictures in a few weeks. Pepperoni |
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Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them." Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."? There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys. And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass until carp will become "native" according to you? Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie... I hope I will at least make you thinking. "E." wrote in message ... Rodney Long wrote: greg wrote: As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!! We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants have been outstocked, then outbred by trout. Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with carp. Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting them in huge numbers. They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, E. |
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Tom G wrote:
I always thought that fish sandwich at McDonalds had a familiar taste to it. Tom G. Those are 100% shark, at least they were, as I had a friend that had the contract with supplying them shark meat 20 years ago, The reason they used shark is because it has no bones, Think about the law suit if someone got a carp bone stuck in their throat -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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greg wrote:
Supporting: "That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them." Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."? In a heart beat, and it's brilliant, not stupid, would do the same for snake heads, and all those other carp that are now taking over. It's called PEST CONTROL, no different than killing rats, as carp are the rats of the water. I guess you think it's cruel to set a mouse trap in your house ? Do you teach your kids that roaches are nice and should never be killed ? I'm a person who will remove a rattle snake from my property without harming it, because they control the rats, they have a place here, they are native, plus they are just fun to catch unharmed There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys. And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass until carp will become "native" according to you? NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and just not me, but the biologist feel the same way, the guys who actually know, they don't let their beliefs get in the way of the facts. In some places carp, are the only fish in the water, in many more areas carp are over 80% of the fish Bio-mass. They had to displaced all the native species, to get there. Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie... Non native fish, are the only ones we take out, those listed eat bass, that improves the bass size and quality, taking out numbers that actually need to be, to keep bass from over populating, and being stunted, carp keep bass from spawning, eliminating them, carp also disrupt the native food chain for bass, and other species I hope I will at least make you thinking. Yep, that I must now target more carp, because Stupid people like you are C&R them, and teaching other to do it. I'm all for people catching carp for fun,, JUST KILL THEM, there is absolutely no reason for C&R of carp, their numbers are HUGE, and getting bigger. You release a 30 lb female carp, and you just put half a million more carp in the water next year. People like you, want us, to give up on all other fishing, just like you have. It's not going to happen, without a fight. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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Pepperoni wrote:
"E." wrote in message ... They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later) I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go, I love killing carp in large numbers. Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom) Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and all hanging below the net. I'll post some pictures in a few weeks. Pepperoni Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing is also totally banned. E. |
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greg wrote:
Supporting: "That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are 70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty. Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them." Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."? Yes. I'd also teach them *why*, i.e. they are a pest. While i'm at it I'd teach them correct handling and release techniques for natives. There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys. As I'm not in the US I will never 'become' a US native. Any exotic species can *never* become native. It can become dominant or established. And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is against animal crualty law. No it isn't. 1 quick smack thru the spine with a tomahawk is quick, clean and efficient. And it's not a matter of showing off. I cant believe no one said anything against "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass until carp will become "native" according to you? They will never be native. They are also a pest. Also feral cats, dogs, horses, foxes, goats, camels, pigs, rabbits, cane toads, mynahs and starlings belong on that list. Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie... As already stated, I don't target bass. I target carp/trout exclusively during native closed season as even a properly handled CnR native will reabsorp it's eggs if caught during breeding season. Also carp hoover up the natives eggs, so the less carp in a particular waterway, the better. I hope I will at least make you thinking. Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible. This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught. E. |
The Sport of Carp Fishing
The people who complain loudest are the same ones who fished out the Grand
Banks (now working on the North Sea) At least Killing Carp allows edible fish a chance. A 3 pound carp (if you can find one that small) Will smack a crawler like a 10 pound bass, streak off like a bonefish and jump 4-5 times. At 10 pounds and over they are all shoulders and brute strength with a blistering first run. On the river he will head down current and you have to turn him before your line gives out. Get him headed upcurrent and he's yours, play him like a salmon, just enough weight to turn him onto the beach on his own power. Yeah, I like 'em, but about 90% of them have got to go. I have some pictures of carp spawning against a wall dam. The flatheads feed on the spawn and a good time is had by all. http://home.comcast.net/~thuxton/gonefishin02.htm Pepperoni "Brendan" wrote in message ... Our best largemouth bass water here in the Western Cape in South Africa was destroyed after carp established themselves. (Theewaterskloof.) A 400 million cubic meter dam that was once slightly tea stained is now a mud-bowl and where it was once possible to land five or ten two kilo + bass you are lucky if you catch one or two of 500 grams. A male bass of a kilo doesn't stand a chance against a 10 kg carp intent on rooting up the bottom thus covering the nest in silt. If you care about bass fishing in your area you will kill every single carp you catch. Carp are as bad as some people say. |
The Sport of Carp Fishing
" They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later) I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go, I love killing carp in large numbers. Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom) Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and all hanging below the net. I'll post some pictures in a few weeks. Pepperoni Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing is also totally banned. E. No Dynamite, huh? They let us kill carp and very few rough fish. Suckers are running, though. In that cold water, they are firm and sweet. They actually seem to trust us a lot. We often pull game fish and just lower them gently. (maybe take a quick picture without removing from the net.) Pulled a female bass over 15 pounds once. Guy walking past nearly had a heart attack. Big female with the V belly full of eggs and tiny looking tail. At least I had a witness, for about 15 seconds for a look. Another 15 second and I would have been plotting taxidermy. Close call. State record walleye? We see a couple a year. They are out there, boys. Dip netting will teach you how fish move in the river. Pepperoni |
The Sport of Carp Fishing
It would be much appreciated if you guys would notice the reply address and
remove R.O.F.B. from the return reply. Cross posting is a major accepted No-No. "Pepperoni" wrote in message . .. " They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in mind in some places. Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies. Cheers, Looking forward to April 1. Net season runs for 2 months here in Michigan, (lower, upper has a 1 month season starting a month later) I have a new net on the way, my ropes are ready to go, I love killing carp in large numbers. Did you know that netters catch as many fish on the bottom of the net as the top? (8x8 net lays flat on the bottom) Next carp you catch, examine the dorsal fin. There is a saw-toothed spine that catches in the mesh and a 30 pounder can be lifted only by the spine. You can tell when you've set your net on top of a big one. The whole assembly starts shaking and bouncing around. Wait a few to insure the mesh catches the barbs. Funny sight , pulling 3-4 carp up by a single fin and all hanging below the net. I'll post some pictures in a few weeks. Pepperoni Many useful tactics are banned in many waterways here. Bow/spear fishing is also totally banned. E. No Dynamite, huh? They let us kill carp and very few rough fish. Suckers are running, though. In that cold water, they are firm and sweet. They actually seem to trust us a lot. We often pull game fish and just lower them gently. (maybe take a quick picture without removing from the net.) Pulled a female bass over 15 pounds once. Guy walking past nearly had a heart attack. Big female with the V belly full of eggs and tiny looking tail. At least I had a witness, for about 15 seconds for a look. Another 15 second and I would have been plotting taxidermy. Close call. State record walleye? We see a couple a year. They are out there, boys. Dip netting will teach you how fish move in the river. Pepperoni |
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"E." wrote in message ... Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible. This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught. E. counterpoint: Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In fact they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has created this situation. The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the land and subsequently the waterways. The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the water...undermining the banks.... killing all the weed....killing the native species.... causing trees to fall in the waterways. The list of its diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame for the problem. That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas that suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the biomass. Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding, the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come back. They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!! http://www.coarsefishing.ws/carpage.htm |
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Harold wrote:
"E." wrote in message ... Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible. This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught. E. counterpoint: Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In fact they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has created this situation. A lot of accurate information has created this situation. The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the land and subsequently the waterways. In some areas this is true. The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the water... They do cause this. undermining the banks.... killing all the weed.... Are you making this up? killing the native species.... Carp aren't really a predator in the classic sense. They do eat native fish eggs. The young (billions of them) hatch before natives, and eat all the tiny aquatic food that baby native fish require. causing trees to fall in the waterways. Ok you *are* making this up. The list of its diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame for the problem. Yes. Man introduced carp and a lot of other exotic species which bacame pests. That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas that suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the biomass. English perch are the same. Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding, the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come back. They are coming back mainly to maintaining minimum river flows for ecologocal sustainability, removal of pests such as carp, restocking, replanting river banks with approprait, removing pest plants such as willows, bag and size limits, CnR fishing and education. They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!! ....and man fixing his mistakes by killing the carp. E. |
The rods are continued spinning ones able of banging out a 100-yard cast. The rod pod is able with battery-powered bang alarms that sound off if a angle picks up the allurement and swims away. The anxiety aswell signals what's accepted as a drop-back bite.
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