Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won'tadmit to
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and
just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
So if I decide to get into long distance casting contest I will get a
big spinning reel. To each his own - you use whatever you want to use and I will, too. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
Gonna put my 2 cents worth in he
Baitcasters have one advantage, size, its a smaller reel, fits better in the hand, you can feel the strike better when your hand is wrapped arround the reel and rod seat, then you ever can with a spinning reel, I do have and use both types, I use spinning when fishing tiny lures, and when beach fishing once in a while, I have a 9 foot surf rod and a big spinning reel, also have a 6` harbormaster with a Penn 209, and have brought in some mighty big redfish with it, oh yes, I cast it pretty good too. "ANTIQUE AUDIO" wrote in message ... heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it |
the reason baitcaster handles on right hand wind-reels wereoriginally turned over to crank in
On Aug 10, 7:34*pm, ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? *for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. *Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it first baitcasters were made in the 1600's- we are talking a 400 year old design by comparison, the first spinning reels were invented in the 1870's- the primary purpose of a spinning reel ? eliminate backlash, and to cast lighter weight lures it's common knowledge that baitcasters don't work well with light lures see it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing...t_casting_reel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing..._spool.29_reel "Early reels were often operated by inverting the reel and using back winding to retrieve line. For this reason, the reel crank handle was positioned on the right side of the reel.[2] As a result, the right- hand crank position for bait casting reels has become customary over the years" so the reason the crank handle is on the wrong side, is back 200 years ago, they turned the reel over to crank it in with left hand- now, is that a good reason to have the crank on right side today ? NO, it isn't you have to use common sense with this stuff- a lot of things we are sold and told today, are done for political and economic (i.e. money) reasons Bait casting reel Bait casting reels are reels in which line is stored on a bearing supported revolving spool. The bait casting reel is mounted above the rod, hence its other name, the overhead reel. The bait casting reel dates from at least the mid-1600s, but came into wide use by amateur anglers during the 1870s. Early bait casting reels were often constructed with brass or iron gears, with casings and spools made of brass, German silver, or hard rubber. Early reels were often operated by inverting the reel and using back winding to retrieve line. For this reason, the reel crank handle was positioned on the right side of the reel.[2] As a result, the right-hand crank position for bait casting reels has become customary over the years, though models with left-hand retrieve are now gaining in popularity. Many of today's bait casting reels are constructed using aluminum, stainless steel, and/or synthetic composite materials. They typically include a level-wind mechanism to prevent the line from being trapped under itself on the spool during rewind and interfering with subsequent casts. Many are also fitted with anti-reverse handles and drags designed to slow runs by large and powerful game fish. Because the momentum of the forward cast must rotate the spool as well as propel the fishing lure, bait casting designs normally require heavier lures for proper operation than with other types of reels. The gear ratio in bait casting reels was initially about 3/1, later standardized at 4/1 in most reels, but recent developments have seen many bait casting reels with gear ratios as high as 5.5/1 or even higher. Higher gear ratios allow much faster retrieval of line, but sacrifice a small amount of power in exchange. Spool tension on most modern bait casting reels can be adjusted with adjustable spool tension, a centrifugal brake, or a magnetic "cast control." This reduces spool overrun during a cast and the resultant line snare, known as backlash. Each time a lure of a different weight is attached, the cast control must be adjusted. The bait casting reel design will operate well with a wide variety of fishing lines, ranging from braided multifilament and heat-fused "superlines" to copolymer, fluorocarbon, and nylon monofilaments (see Fishing line). Most bait casting reels can also easily be palmed or thumbed to increase the drag, set the hook, or to accurately halt the lure at a given point in the cast. A variation of the bait casting reel is the big game reel. These are very large and robust fishing reels, designed and built for heavy sal****er species such as tuna, marlin, sailfish and sharks. Big game reels are not designed for casting, but used for trolling or fishing set baits and lures on the open ocean. Bait casting reels are sometimes referred to as conventional reels in the U.S. They are known as multiplier reels in Europe, on account of their geared line retrieve (one turn of the handle resulting in multiple turns of the spool). Bait Casting Reel Operation A bait casting reel and rod is cast by moving the rod backward, then snapping it forward. During the forward cast, the weight of the lure pulls the line off the reel. The thumb is used to halt the lure at the desired location and to prevent spool overrun. Though modern centrifigal braking systems help to control backlash, using a bait casting reel still requires practice, and a certain amount of finesse on the part of the fisherman for best results. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:52 -0700 (PDT), ANTIQUE AUDIO
wrote: heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated.......snips......... My head has been up regarding reels for over 50 years, and for absolute accuracy and careful presentation, modern baitcasters are FAR superior to spinning reels. That said, I use both because both serve their intended purposes extremely well. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
" the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on
it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 11, 11:55*am, "Mike Getz" wrote:
" the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far *is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. I was reading a "freshwater fishing" hardcover reference book- it states right there in black and white- a spinning reel will cast much further, a lot easier, with no backlash problems- than any baitcaster will what we have with spinning vs. baitcasting reels is, 2 different schools of thought- the baitcaster was a descendant of the 1800's "Kentucky" reel and invented in USA- the spinning reel was invented in Europe in early 1900's the spinning reel will handle lighter lures and lighter lines, for catching cunning fish that won't bite if they see the line- current spinning rods/reels are designed for 12 lb. test or heavier- plenty for any bass fisherman where the baitcaster comes into play is very LARGE fish 15-20 pounds or larger, where the strong reel design and winch action will wear down/horse in a large fish with less strain using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. The thicker line required on a baitcaster to prevent backlash, will limit strikes on wary fish like trout- I've gone from 4 lb. to 6 lb. test on my spinning reel and got less trout strikes- that's just how sensitive those fish are to line size and natural drift of bait- a heavy line turns them off casting distance- no comparison- I can cast 2-3 times further with a cheap open face spinning reel, over any baitcaster reel made baitcasters are much like golf clubs, you use the same cast force with every lure, but heavier lures will go further than light lures will- just like a golfer uses same stroke every time, with a different club- try to cast a baitcaster harder, it will just backlash worse- casting it smoothly and with even pressure, actually makes it cast further- and I can cast much further with a sidearm cast, then overhead pitching |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 11, 9:37*am, "Guy Anderson, Sr."
wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:34:52 -0700 (PDT), ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote: heads up people-baitcasterreels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated.......snips......... My head has been up regarding reels for over 50 years, and for absolute accuracy and careful presentation, *modern baitcasters are FAR superior to spinning reels. *That said, I use both because both serve their intended purposes extremely well. this statement needs to be qualified- more accurate, but how far of a cast, with what weight line ? I've been using spinning reels for 40 years- and fishing some very difficult, covered streams with them- where any type of overhead cast means you're stuck in a tree branch above you due to cover brush- and using 4-6 lb. test lines- there's simply no way a baitcaster can do that try casting a baitcaster with 2 mealie grubs for bait on a hook, with 4 lb. line. A spinning reel does it effortlessly the basic design of a baitcaster, makes it less accurate, not more accurate. The reel spool turning and putting drag on the lure, and requiring thumb pressure to prevent backlash, isn't helping accuracy. You can pitch a spinning reel lure the same as a baitcaster, with no backlash and with thinner line, and lighter weight lure-and not have to thumb the spool. the baitcaster needs to equal/best a spinning reel in all respects, if it's going to be "better" the same amount of practice would yield same accuracy with spinning reel, and the spinning reel has more distance- one can master a spinning reel in one day- not so with a baitcaster what we have is, a lot of misinformation/disinformation from reel companies, who are still selling what is basically an outdated trolling reel or deep sea reel design, for casting baits- it's simply not as good a for casting as a spinning reel a baitcaster DOES have more winching in power- hands down- that is its only salvation- for catching a large quantity of fish over 10 lbs. in size, trolling from a boat or deap sea fishing, the choice would be a baitcaster a baitcaster does have a vintage romantic charm to it though- and it's a sturdy thing- I have 4 of them myself, and have using them for about 2 years now. But after a while, it's nice to just put 8 lb. test on my open face reel, and cast 200 feet effortlessly- and it's deadly accurate. |
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"AJ" wrote in message .net... Fished all morning with my trusty Calcutta 150, St Croix 6.5' medium fast rod, 10 lb. Berkley Sensation, and had zero backlashes, which is pretty much normal. Sure glad I had it when that Northern shot out from nowhere, hit the lure 3 ft. away from the boat going like a freight train, and dove under the boat into the weeds. He pretty much trashed my spinnerbait, but I figure it was worth it. I don't know why baitcasting would serve you better than spinning in that situation if you were also using 10# line and a similar strength rod and proper drag setting. I'm not sure what it's called, but what happens to me with spinning reels, particularly wide spool ones when I try a cast just a little farther than it wants to go, is about 100-200 loops of line come off the spool all at once and try to make it through the first guide. The abrupt stop sometimes send whatever was tied on the end off into the deep blue. Unlike minor backlashes on a baitcaster, there's no way to fix this mess. I call them spinning tangles or birds' nests. I use only spinning these days but when I used some baitcasting years ago I didn't have many backlash problems and what I did have were not nearly as bad as spinning tangles which, fortunately, don't occur that often. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
In article , mart915
@REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message .net... Fished all morning with my trusty Calcutta 150, St Croix 6.5' medium fast rod, 10 lb. Berkley Sensation, and had zero backlashes, which is pretty much normal. Sure glad I had it when that Northern shot out from nowhere, hit the lure 3 ft. away from the boat going like a freight train, and dove under the boat into the weeds. He pretty much trashed my spinnerbait, but I figure it was worth it. I don't know why baitcasting would serve you better than spinning in that situation if you were also using 10# line and a similar strength rod and proper drag setting. Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. I do use spinning as well and have a nice 7' ML on the boat for more vertical presentations and keep a 6'L in the truck for promising streams and ponds - I don't think I would use a baitcaster from shore. I'm not sure what it's called, but what happens to me with spinning reels, particularly wide spool ones when I try a cast just a little farther than it wants to go, is about 100-200 loops of line come off the spool all at once and try to make it through the first guide. The abrupt stop sometimes send whatever was tied on the end off into the deep blue. Unlike minor backlashes on a baitcaster, there's no way to fix this mess. I call them spinning tangles or birds' nests. I use only spinning these days but when I used some baitcasting years ago I didn't have many backlash problems and what I did have were not nearly as bad as spinning tangles which, fortunately, don't occur that often. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. That may be, but I suspect it may be from not enough tension during the retrieve with light surface lures, stop and go retrieves, or when bottom bouncing a jig. Then a harder cast pulls it all off. Fortunately spool changes are easy. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like
swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. " I'm using a ultralight baitcaster with 5 pound mono to toss a 1/16 oz bullet weight, 1/0 hook and 4 inch worm, I figure it'll put off surgery for me for at least 2 years. I've had one already on the left wrist from too much fishing with the spinning rod. "ANTIQUE AUDIO" wrote in message ... On Aug 11, 11:55 am, "Mike Getz" wrote: " the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it" My Dad used one and I always called it the knuckle buster AND he used a braided type of line. I was reading a "freshwater fishing" hardcover reference book- it states right there in black and white- a spinning reel will cast much further, a lot easier, with no backlash problems- than any baitcaster will what we have with spinning vs. baitcasting reels is, 2 different schools of thought- the baitcaster was a descendant of the 1800's "Kentucky" reel and invented in USA- the spinning reel was invented in Europe in early 1900's the spinning reel will handle lighter lures and lighter lines, for catching cunning fish that won't bite if they see the line- current spinning rods/reels are designed for 12 lb. test or heavier- plenty for any bass fisherman where the baitcaster comes into play is very LARGE fish 15-20 pounds or larger, where the strong reel design and winch action will wear down/horse in a large fish with less strain using a baitcaster reel to catch 3 lb. fish is really overkill, like swatting a fly with a sledgehammer. Sure it will work, but a flyswatter is a lot lighter and more efficient and less hassle to use. The thicker line required on a baitcaster to prevent backlash, will limit strikes on wary fish like trout- I've gone from 4 lb. to 6 lb. test on my spinning reel and got less trout strikes- that's just how sensitive those fish are to line size and natural drift of bait- a heavy line turns them off casting distance- no comparison- I can cast 2-3 times further with a cheap open face spinning reel, over any baitcaster reel made baitcasters are much like golf clubs, you use the same cast force with every lure, but heavier lures will go further than light lures will- just like a golfer uses same stroke every time, with a different club- try to cast a baitcaster harder, it will just backlash worse- casting it smoothly and with even pressure, actually makes it cast further- and I can cast much further with a sidearm cast, then overhead pitching |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"AJ" wrote in message .net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. If you're getting 100+ loops coming off at once you may be using a line that's too stiff for spinning reels and/or allowing loops to form on the reel spool. That may be, but I suspect it may be from not enough tension during the retrieve with light surface lures, stop and go retrieves, or when bottom bouncing a jig. Then a harder cast pulls it all off. Fortunately spool changes are easy. Sounds possible, maybe likely, but the idea is to maintain tension so as to avoid the loops and changing of spools. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
In article , mart915
@REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message .net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. Not necessarily. I'm not sure if they were first, but I think one of the most overlooked features Shimano did for baitcasters is the narrow spool found on most of their 100 series models. I think that because the line doesn't come off the spool at such an extreme angle on it's way to the level wind guide, especially when the guide is at the extreme end of its travel, there's much less tendency to backlash with lighter lines. The first trouble free baitcester I had was an old Black Magnum 100. After it I picked up a Speedmaster Ultra Light Special, used it with 8 lb line and a light action rod for many years. Besides the Calcutta 150, I also currently have a Currado 100 on a medium light rod, and it can handle almost as light a lure as the retired ULS. Until recently the 200 series Shimano's seem like they've been the most popular, but with the new superlines becoming more common, the narrow spool 100's seem to be more common. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Aug 19, 8:43*pm, AJ wrote:
In article , mart915 @REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message l.net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinning. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmouth, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're not unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. Not necessarily. I'm not sure if they were first, but I think one of the most overlooked features Shimano did for baitcasters is the narrow spool found on most of their 100 series models. I think that because the line doesn't come off the spool at such an extreme angle on it's way to the level wind guide, especially when the guide is at the extreme end of its travel, there's much less tendency to backlash with lighter lines. * The first trouble free baitcester I had was an old Black Magnum 100. After it I picked up a Speedmaster Ultra Light Special, used it with 8 lb line and a light action rod for many years. Besides the Calcutta 150, I also currently have a Currado 100 on a medium light rod, and it can handle almost as light a lure as the retired ULS. Until recently the 200 series Shimano's seem like they've been the most popular, but with the new superlines becoming more common, the narrow spool 100's seem to be more common.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - one thing I found out, was the best way to pitch/overhead cast a baitcaster, is turn the reel handle upward- this is something most fishermen don't tell you, and it's also not in the reel directions- but it is in any old literature about how to cast with a baitcaster reel- the difference is remarkable- and I gained another 5 yards casting distance facing the reel handle up during casting. What this does is, it places the spool in a verticle position with bearings on top/bottom during the cast, rather than horizontal. There seems to be slightly less friction and less backlash, and smoother casting. I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
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, says... On Aug 19, 8:43=A0pm, AJ wrote: In article , mart915 @REEMOOVEfrontiernet.net says... "AJ" wrote in message l.net... Maybe, but I think he would have popped the bail open and taken the loose line around the lower unit. Popping a bail open is something I've never seen in 35 years of spinnin= g. I've had Northern that follow hit on an L-turn or figure-8 close to the boat, but this wasn't like that. I don't know how fast they can swim, but he was really moving parallel = to the boat and hit at a right angle 3' away. I was wearing polarized glasses and saw the flash or I probably would have lost the rod. Not real big just ~32" with a bad attitude. IMO the drag on a Calcutta is about as good as it gets. My 150 is 5 years old, has taken salmon out Lake Michigan, hauled up a 20lb. catfish, numerous Northern, Smallmou= th, and Largemouth out of the weeds. My friend has a couple of Calcuttas and likes them a lot, but they're n= ot unique in their ability to land fish. Of course, baitcasters are better suited for heavy line. Not necessarily. I'm not sure if they were first, but I think one of the most overlooked features Shimano did for baitcasters is the narrow spool found on most of their 100 series models. I think that because the line doesn't come off the spool at such an extreme angle on it's way to the level wind guide, especially when the guide is at the extreme end of its travel, there's much less tendency to backlash with lighter lines. =A0 The first trouble free baitcester I had was an old Black Magnum 100. After it I picked up a Speedmaster Ultra Light Special, used it with 8 lb line and a light action rod for many years. Besides the Calcutta 150, I also currently have a Currado 100 on a medium light rod, and it can handle almost as light a lure as the retired ULS. Until recently the 200 series Shimano's seem like they've been the most popular, but with the new superlines becoming more common, the narrow spool 100's seem to be more common.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - one thing I found out, was the best way to pitch/overhead cast a baitcaster, is turn the reel handle upward- this is something most fishermen don't tell you, and it's also not in the reel directions- but it is in any old literature about how to cast with a baitcaster reel- the difference is remarkable- and I gained another 5 yards casting distance facing the reel handle up during casting. What this does is, it places the spool in a verticle position with bearings on top/bottom during the cast, rather than horizontal. There seems to be slightly less friction and less backlash, and smoother casting. I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. It's all in what you're used to and most comfortable with. For fishing sitting down from a pedestal seat in my boat, I find a baitcaster much less fatiguing. I typically drift or troll along a deep weedlines or a group of piers, where accurate casts along weed edges, holes, etc. are far more important than casting maximum distances out of visual range. A modern baitcaster is quicker between casts. Reel in the line, push the button, cast. No bail to flip or backreeling to get the lure the 'right' distance from the tip with the bail in the right position. But as far as maximum casting distance try this. Take every spinning rod you have that can handle a 1/8 oz. lure. Tie on a Rapalla #7 original floating minnow and see how far it goes. Repeat with 1/8 oz. jig, and with 1/8 oz. spinnerbait with a big Colorado. Or if you want to mix in baitcasters, try a Rapalla #7 Shallow Shad Rap, a 1/4 oz. jig, and a 1/4 oz. spinnerbait with a big colorado blade. With all but the jig, casting distance will be limited more by air resistance than anything else. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. Large spinning reels are heavy, bulky, and ungainly. From a retrieve perspective, the entire design of a spinning reel is a mechanical nightmare, that unnecessarily takes the energy around two right angles. If casting distance was of a major advantage in bass angling, there might be some merit to using big spinning gear. But since it's not, then there really is no need to burden yourself with a reel that twists the line, weighs twice as much or more than a casting reel that will do the job, is out of balance by design, and requires a rod equipped with gigantic guides. On the other hand, I love spinning gear for application requiring 6lb test line or less. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
You almost had me worried there Rich!
"RichZ" wrote in message ... ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote: On the other hand, I love spinning gear for application requiring 6lb test line or less. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"RichZ" wrote in message ... ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote: I still don't see the logic in using a baitcast reel for fish smaller than 10 pound though, because the modern large spinning reels will definitely handle up that that size fish and line with ease- and cast easier, and further. Large spinning reels are heavy, bulky, and ungainly. From a retrieve perspective, the entire design of a spinning reel is a mechanical nightmare, that unnecessarily takes the energy around two right angles. If casting distance was of a major advantage in bass angling, there might be some merit to using big spinning gear. But since it's not, then there really is no need to burden yourself with a reel that twists the line, weighs twice as much or more than a casting reel that will do the job, is out of balance by design, and requires a rod equipped with gigantic guides. Hate to argue with a guy who's forgotten more than I'll ever know, but: Maybe there's no NEED to burden myself, but there's a DESIRE to do so. Sure, reels can twist line, but some reels do much better than others in their anti-twist properties, and twist has been minimally problematic. And it's a non-factor with braid. I believe the weight of the reel is not as significant as baitcasters because of the inverted position, and the size of the guides doesn't affect me, as far as I know. I used to use some baitcasting and it was OK, I just didn't like what I perceived as less versatility as spinning. And they weren't difficult to use, not the rocket science that some make it out to be (not including Rich in that group). The bottom line is I'm just a recreational angler who enjoys spinning and feel it accomplishes everything I ask of it. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
Marty wrote:
I believe the weight of the reel is not as significant as baitcasters because of the inverted position, Spinning fans always rely on this argument, but it's based on faulty logic, imho. There are precious few moments in fishing in which I hold the rod on a horizontal plane, other than vertical fishing, which amounts to less than 10% of my time. In fact, it's attitude is much more often much closer to vertical than horizontal. All that extra weight is extended out in front of my hand by the long reel foot, totally destroying the balance. A casting reel on the other hand, is IN my hand, and when I hold the rod vertically, all the weight of both the rod and reel (which is lighter than the spinning combo in the first place) is pretty much centered above my hand. It's not too bad of a deal with the little bitty reel on my drop shot rod, but any spinning reel capable of handling 12 pound line or more is just too awkward and heavy when the rod is much more vertical than 2 o'clock. The bottom line is I'm just a recreational angler who enjoys spinning and feel it accomplishes everything I ask of it. And I have no problem with that position at all. My problem is with no-it-alls who come on stating that there's no use in bass fishing for a bait casting reel. |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
"AJ" wrote in message SNIP Real men use a fly rod? ;-)) I was out fishing yesterday morning, couple of bass, half dozen pike, nothing really special. Used a baitcaster never even thinking about it, then I remembered this thread. It's not rocket science at all, what it's really like is the Shakespeare model 1776 Wonder-reel I had as a kid. Push the button, cast, reel it in. Caught my first 'northwoods' pike on it also a dogfish on the same day. Anyone else? I still have it along with the matching Wonder-rod. I think I'll dig it out, put some line on it and take it fishing this weekend. LOL, hanging on the wall of my office, I've still got the steel rod and Pflueger knuckle-buster reel, with braided Dacron line that I learned to cast with! My dad gave me the rod he had to learn on, we didn't have the money for one of those new-fangled pushbutton reels! I prefer my current baitcasters, and like you, fish one without even thinking about it. I cast as far as I want to, and do it with more accuracy and ease than I can with a spinning reel. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:07:02 -0400, RichZ
wrote: ............much great stuff snipped......... On the other hand, I love spinning gear for application requiring 6lb test line or less. Rich, once again you've smacked the nail square on the head, knocked it outa the park, hit the bullseye, scored a hat trick, rolled 300, gold medaled, etc., etc. Thanks! |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won't admit to
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:12:02 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers.com"
wrote: "AJ" wrote in message SNIP Real men use a fly rod? ;-)) I was out fishing yesterday morning, couple of bass, half dozen pike, nothing really special. Used a baitcaster never even thinking about it, then I remembered this thread. It's not rocket science at all, what it's really like is the Shakespeare model 1776 Wonder-reel I had as a kid. Push the button, cast, reel it in. Caught my first 'northwoods' pike on it also a dogfish on the same day. Anyone else? I still have it along with the matching Wonder-rod. I think I'll dig it out, put some line on it and take it fishing this weekend. LOL, hanging on the wall of my office, I've still got the steel rod and Pflueger knuckle-buster reel, with braided Dacron line that I learned to cast with! My dad gave me the rod he had to learn on, we didn't have the money for one of those new-fangled pushbutton reels! I prefer my current baitcasters, and like you, fish one without even thinking about it. I cast as far as I want to, and do it with more accuracy and ease than I can with a spinning reel. Oh man----you fellas sure know how to make me feel OLD!! |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companieswon't admit to
On Sunday, August 10, 2008 at 7:34:52 PM UTC-4, ANTIQUE AUDIO wrote:
heads up people- baitcaster reels are older than the Ford Model T, and just as antiquated basically the only reason people used them, was back in 1900, there was nothing else- only baitcasters and fly reels- spinning and spincasting reels were not invented yet anyone that says they can "cast further with a baitcaster" is FOS- think about it, use common sense on a spinning reel, the only thing that has to leave the reel, is the line itself on a baitcaster, the spool has to turn there is more friction turning the spool, than the line just leaving the spinning reel so there you have it why do people use them ? for the same reason they like 1970 Chevelles, tube stereos, and battleships- they are a cool relic of the past truth be told, there's not a freshwater fish alive, you can't land with a spinning or spincasting reel the only "practical" sane use for a baitcaster, is deep see fishing or trolling, for very, very big fish- like swordfish- and trolling- where you toss your bait over the side, let line out, and troll the lure sure, there are people that can cast 100-150 ft. with a baitcaster but even a novice can cast 250 feet with a spinning reel- there's simply no comparison- but for some reason, these "bass pros" won't admit to that- reason- they are getting cash endorsements from reel companies- and the reel companies make a ton of money from baitcasting reels people use a few times, have problems with, then sit and collect dust just look at how many old baitcasting reels there are on Ebay. Just try casting with one. The old baitcasters had no clutch, drag, or casting resistance settings- all they had was a clicker button- the clicker served as a half-assed "drag" to wear down a fish, and an "alarm" to tell the fisherman, when a fish has hit his lure while trolling NOT for casting, or for clutching the recent additions of the clutch, drag, release button, etc. settings, was merely an attempt at making a reel designed for cranking a big fish in, to also cast having said this, I have spent last 2 days practicing casting an old 1960's vintage baitcaster reel, the reel handle actually spins when casted, there is no release button on it- maximum casting range so far is 60 feet- that's about it Hehe,...the clicker was NOT a drag,...was simply to alert the fisherman there was a nibble on a set out pole. Use it constantly and you won'y have a clicker before long! :-) The user's THUMB was the usual "Drag" on an older baitcaster,.... and even with some older freespool models having a designated drag feature,...a thumb on the spool can be still used to increase drag at times. ....... you an many others are missing the point too. They're just plain FUN to fish with,....quality vintage ones that is. Get an old Pflueger Summit 1993L in hand and a thing of beauty too! No plastic crap here (some weight though but it's a small reel so not an issue)..... and if you want freespool get the Pflueger Summit 1995 as I recall. By the way,.... one other great "feature of a baitcaster is with a good braided line backing and a short mono leader, there is almost NO stretch to the line so more positive set hooks, and on a heavy fish he comes where you lead! :-) Joseph Tousignant Ti Rod Tactical |
Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won'tadmit to
It's a simple fact baitcaster reels will outcast a spinning reel without a question. It's just a known fact not sure what your experience is with baitcasters but there is a reason professional bassfisherman use mostly baitcasters( most using spinning reels for certain baits) and it's not bc of sponsors or money. Its because they are far superior for distance and technique
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Baitcasting reels-the attractive antique that reel companies won'tadmit to
I find for 1/32 oz jigs a closed face spinning reel with 6 lb line casts without tangles for days. Where as a baitcast reel handles 12 lb mono 1it 3/16 oz with seldom any overrun let alone backlash. As far as friction in casting with a spinning reel as the line spins off the reel, the faster the cast the greater is air resistance created, so heavier lines create a lot of resistance, more than bait casters. My baitcaster is lighter than my ultralight spinning reel. Each type of reel has it' particular advantage, personally I always thought I cast farther with a bait caster, at least when line of 10# or greater was used,
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