no-knot eyelets
 

Going through some fly-fishing stuff in my closet I came across a pack of
no-knot eyelets for attaching leader to fly line. Does anyone have comments
on the usefulness of these devices? Are they a clear advantage over a
regular knot? What I worry about is that they could pull out under the
pressure of a good fish.

thanks,

Ben

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Ben Korstvedt

BENJAMIN KORSTVEDT wrote:
Going through some fly-fishing stuff in my closet I came across a pack of
no-knot eyelets for attaching leader to fly line. Does anyone have comments
on the usefulness of these devices? Are they a clear advantage over a
regular knot? What I worry about is that they could pull out under the
pressure of a good fish.

Worst gadget ever invented for attaching leader to line.
The barbs destroy the fly line from the inside out, they're
a bitch to install and after all that the eyelet is too
small to accomodate the butt end of a proper leader.

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

Is that the mesh thing that looks like a cable pulling sleeve? I never
could get those to work for me. Either I couldn't get them on or I could
them on, but they would slide right off.


--
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The do look kinda look like the instruments dentist use for root canals.
Maybe he should keep them in his first aid kit.
There must be some use for them, fly line to leader connections is not on of
the good ones.
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
BENJAMIN KORSTVEDT wrote:
Going through some fly-fishing stuff in my closet I came across a pack
of
no-knot eyelets for attaching leader to fly line. Does anyone have
comments
on the usefulness of these devices? Are they a clear advantage over a
regular knot? What I worry about is that they could pull out under the
pressure of a good fish.

Worst gadget ever invented for attaching leader to line.
The barbs destroy the fly line from the inside out, they're
a bitch to install and after all that the eyelet is too
small to accomodate the butt end of a proper leader.

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

Is that the mesh thing that looks like a cable pulling sleeve? I never
could get those to work for me. Either I couldn't get them on or I could
them on, but they would slide right off.


Nope: you are describing a braided slip on loop connector (Chinese Fingers).
These do work well if properly installed (I prefer a nail knot to secure
them rather than the heat shrink tubing though), and in truth, I have
migrated back to a nail knotted loop of mono instead.

What Ken is describing is called a leader link, and it has many proponents
among ROFFians. Personally, I don't trust them, but lots of folks do, so I
guess it's all a matter of personal choice.

The device Benjamin described looks like a miniature "eye-bolt" with barbs
on it instead of threads. I tried some years ago, and Ken is exactly right -
they are nearly impossible to install. They also cause the fly line to hinge
at the buried end of the connector, and I have experienced line breakage as
a result. Worse yet, they add weight to the end of your line - a bad thing
if you are fishing dries.

HTH,

Jim Ray

Bob La Londe wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

Is that the mesh thing that looks like a cable pulling sleeve? I never
could get those to work for me. Either I couldn't get them on or I could
them on, but they would slide right off.

Ken's referring to "leader links". They are small, clear, hollow
plastic doodads through which you thread your line on one end and your
leader on the other. Tie a knot in each and pull them up inside the
leader link.

They work fine; they glide through the guides easily, float and
aren't readily visible on the water. I use them most of the time these
days. (I'll still tie a nail knot sometimes if I'm riggin up at home,
but for use on the stream they're very handy.)


Chuck Vance

"jimbo" wrote in message

The device Benjamin described looks like a miniature "eye-bolt" with barbs
on it instead of threads. I tried some years ago, and Ken is exactly
right - they are nearly impossible to install. They also cause the fly
line to hinge at the buried end of the connector, and I have experienced
line breakage as a result. Worse yet, they add weight to the end of your
line - a bad thing if you are fishing dries.



Yeah I knew what those were. I tried them myself, and decided I didn't like
them much. They won't go in. Won't come out. Usually punch out the side
of the line, and basically suck.


--
Bob La Londe

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:21:31 GMT, "BENJAMIN KORSTVEDT"
wrote:


Going through some fly-fishing stuff in my closet I came across a pack of
no-knot eyelets for attaching leader to fly line. Does anyone have comments
on the usefulness of these devices? Are they a clear advantage over a
regular knot? What I worry about is that they could pull out under the
pressure of a good fish.

thanks,

Ben


Toss 'em. The are a dozen other ways to attach your leader.


g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:21:31 GMT, "BENJAMIN KORSTVEDT"
wrote:


...Does anyone have comments
on the usefulness of these devices?...

Toss 'em....

It's amazing that they've been on the market for as long as they have. I've
never heard anyone say anything good about them.....and what I've heard is
STILL better than they deserve. It's hard to imagine anything more
thoroughly worthless.

Wolfgang

The do kinda look like the instruments dentist use for root canals.
Maybe he should keep them in his first aid kit.
Denstist should put an eyelet on the instruments they use. A safety
line would be better than that damm rubber sheet they put down your
throat.
There must be some use for them, fly line to leader connections is not
one of
the good ones.

Wolfgang wrote:

It's hard to imagine anything more
thoroughly worthless.

hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

jeff

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:

It's hard to imagine anything more thoroughly worthless.

hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

Point taken.

Wolfgang
well, this IS roff, after all.

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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//snip//
hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

When you stick a no-knot eyelet in your finger instead of the line, it's
pretty hard to imagine anything less useful. Except, maybe, for a certain
inhabitant of a certain public housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bob

"Bob Patton" wrote in message
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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//snip//
hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

When you stick a no-knot eyelet in your finger instead of the line, it's
pretty hard to imagine anything less useful. Except, maybe, for a certain
inhabitant of a certain public housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bob

Monarchy-n.; A system of government in which a man is selected as ruler by
virtue of who his father was.

Wolfgang
who, having seen it in action, begins to believe that democracy may be worth
a try after all.

now.
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
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Bob La Londe wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message

The best way to attach leader to line is a well-tied nail
knot but if you gotta have a gadget Eagle Claw makes a
plastic doodad that some people like.

Is that the mesh thing that looks like a cable pulling sleeve? I never
could get those to work for me. Either I couldn't get them on or I
could
them on, but they would slide right off.

Ken's referring to "leader links". They are small, clear, hollow
plastic doodads through which you thread your line on one end and your
leader on the other. Tie a knot in each and pull them up inside the
leader link.

They work fine; they glide through the guides easily, float and
aren't readily visible on the water. I use them most of the time these
days. (I'll still tie a nail knot sometimes if I'm riggin up at home,
but for use on the stream they're very handy.)


Chuck Vance

Warren gave me one at the Montana clave and I'm trying it ...not much to
report yet...


john

"asadi" wrote in message
m...

Warren gave me one at the Montana clave and I'm trying it ...not much to
report yet...

It'll get a good workout in about three weeks.

Wolfgang

I use leader link on 5 wt and below. They must be checked before each day
of fishing as cracks can develop from getting smacked on rocks on the
backcast (or so I've heard). They DO NOT float. Unless you have a very
good, well sealed fly line, they will bring the tip of the line down.
As I said, I do use them on 5 and below. I'm concerned about their strength
on serious fish (snook, bones, baby tarpon, stripers). Also, remember to
use the appropriate size for the line, or they may hang in the tip top.
To seal my fly line, I put a dab of flexament or wader seal on the end of
the line after its been out of the water in a dry place for a couple of
weeks. I always replace my leader links at the start of the season and use
the flexament on the line at that time.

--
Frank Reid
Euthanize to respond

Frank Reid wrote:

I use leader link on 5 wt and below. They must be checked before each day
of fishing as cracks can develop from getting smacked on rocks on the
backcast (or so I've heard). They DO NOT float. Unless you have a very
good, well sealed fly line, they will bring the tip of the line down.

Interesting. I must always have good, well-sealed line then. :-)


Chuck Vance (who hasn't sealed a line since the 80's, but does
clean his line before each trip)

"Bob Patton" wrote in message
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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//snip//
hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

When you stick a no-knot eyelet in your finger instead of the line, it's
pretty hard to imagine anything less useful. Except, maybe, for a certain
inhabitant of a certain public housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bob

According to many courts ruling on the issue of 'residency rules' (requiring
an employee to live n a certain area) the courts have determined that a
person lives where they spend most of their time. Thus, no one lives
there....

john

"asadi" wrote in message
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"Bob Patton" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:Ps9Ne.359$rp.72@lakeread08...
//snip//
hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

When you stick a no-knot eyelet in your finger instead of the line, it's
pretty hard to imagine anything less useful. Except, maybe, for a certain
inhabitant of a certain public housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bob

According to many courts ruling on the issue of 'residency rules'
(requiring
an employee to live n a certain area) the courts have determined that a
person lives where they spend most of their time. Thus, no one lives
there....

john

So, are you suggesting that bush's Crawford, Texas residence be called the
Neverland Ranch?

Mark

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:34:14 -0400, "Guyz-N-Flyz"
wrote:


"asadi" wrote in message
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"Bob Patton" wrote in message
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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//snip//
hyperbole... i've imagined many, many things more thoroughly worthless.
hell, the imagining itself frequently qualified.

When you stick a no-knot eyelet in your finger instead of the line, it's
pretty hard to imagine anything less useful. Except, maybe, for a certain
inhabitant of a certain public housing project on Pennsylvania Avenue.
Bob

According to many courts ruling on the issue of 'residency rules'
(requiring
an employee to live n a certain area) the courts have determined that a
person lives where they spend most of their time. Thus, no one lives
there....

john

So, are you suggesting that bush's Crawford, Texas residence be called the
Neverland Ranch?

"Ground Zero" has a nice ring to it...