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Disney's Anti-Hunting Bias is UnBEARable- (11/26)






Disney's most recent animated feature, "Brother Bear," is following in the
anti-hunting footsteps of "Bambi" as it hits theatres in time for the
holidays - and hunting seasons.





The movie is about a young Native American hunter, Kenai, who is transformed
into a bear. He becomes the adoptive father of a cub, only to find that
another hunter is stalking him. Daniel Neman, a writer for the Richmond
Times-Dispatch in Virginia notes, "the film makes an anti-hunting statement
that is out of place for American Indians."





In sportsmen's eyes, the Disney flick could not come at a poorer time. This
year, sportsmen have been forced to defend bear hunting across the country.
The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance's National Bear Hunting Defense Task Force and
other conservation groups rallied hunters to prevent Congress from banning
the use of bait to hunt black bears. It is currently working to protect a
recently established bear hunt in New Jersey. The Alliance is preparing for
campaigns in Maine and Alaska to protect bear hunting from anti-hunting
attacks that promise to be on the 2004 ballot.





Disney Goes Overboard

PETA has modified a film poster from the Disney blockbuster Finding Nemo to
promote its anti-fishing campaign. Disney's cartoon fish, Nemo and Marlin,
appear on PETA's website and leaflets that read, "Fish are friends, not
food!"





Take Action! Sportsmen should flood The Walt Disney Company with contacts
telling it that allowing PETA use of its Finding Nemo characters is aiding
an organization that has spent tens of thousands of dollars paying legal
fees for convicted terrorists. Inform the company that PETA is also being
investigated for sending $1,500 to the Animal Liberation Front, an
underground group identified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist
organization. Contact Mr. Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO, The Walt Disney
Company, 500 S. Buena Vista St., Burbank, CA, 91521-9722. Phone (818)
560-1000. Fax (818) 560-1930.






--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

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Sir,
You make several ignorant assumptions not fitting of one who apparently
admires Einstein. Please brush up on the issues instead of attacking fellow
sportsmen's manhood. It will be more constructive for all of us.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"dagrump" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 20:30:02 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Disney's Anti-Hunting Bias is UnBEARable- (11/26)






Disney's most recent animated feature, "Brother Bear," is following in
the
anti-hunting footsteps of "Bambi" as it hits theatres in time for the
holidays - and hunting seasons.





The movie is about a young Native American hunter, Kenai, who is
transformed
into a bear. He becomes the adoptive father of a cub, only to find that
another hunter is stalking him. Daniel Neman, a writer for the Richmond
Times-Dispatch in Virginia notes, "the film makes an anti-hunting
statement
that is out of place for American Indians."





In sportsmen's eyes, the Disney flick could not come at a poorer time.
This
year, sportsmen have been forced to defend bear hunting across the
country.
The U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance's National Bear Hunting Defense Task Force
and
other conservation groups rallied hunters to prevent Congress from
banning
the use of bait to hunt black bears. It is currently working to protect
a
recently established bear hunt in New Jersey. The Alliance is preparing
for
campaigns in Maine and Alaska to protect bear hunting from anti-hunting
attacks that promise to be on the 2004 ballot.





Disney Goes Overboard

PETA has modified a film poster from the Disney blockbuster Finding Nemo
to
promote its anti-fishing campaign. Disney's cartoon fish, Nemo and
Marlin,
appear on PETA's website and leaflets that read, "Fish are friends, not
food!"





Take Action! Sportsmen should flood The Walt Disney Company with
contacts
telling it that allowing PETA use of its Finding Nemo characters is
aiding
an organization that has spent tens of thousands of dollars paying legal
fees for convicted terrorists. Inform the company that PETA is also
being
investigated for sending $1,500 to the Animal Liberation Front, an
underground group identified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist
organization. Contact Mr. Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO, The Walt
Disney
Company, 500 S. Buena Vista St., Burbank, CA, 91521-9722. Phone (818)
560-1000. Fax (818) 560-1930.


It's scary to me that any MAN could be worried about Walt Disney
movies. Get a fvcking grip on reality. And trying to bunch them with
the PETA wackos is a typical 'poison the well' tactic used by the
ultra right to attack anybody who doesn't wholeheartedly and happily
follow the jackbooted march of their idols and icons like Rush("they
were prescription drugs-I just happened to purchase them from a drug
pusher)Limbaugh, et.al.

And trying to imply that Disney somehow coordinated a release date to
have a negative impact on bear hunting season is just short of
delusional.

If you're so insecure in your world as to worry about a movie like
Bambi, I see why you probably worship guns. Try worshipping God
instead.

P.S I own several guns, a bass boat, a 4wd pickup, and two other
4wd's. I'm not some sort of gun hating liberal. Just somebody who
ain't gonna be lied to by either side.

--

"Try not to be a person of success but a person of value."

Albert Einstein

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The suggestion that the release was planned to coincide with the opening of
hunting season in many parts of the country is a bit 'oliver stone-ish' for
me to swallow. Disney movie releases are timed like all major studio
releases -- to maximize box office earnings. But the effects on the
collective mindset of America's 3 to 10 year olds, of being constantly and
repeatedly bombarded with images of wildlife, fish and even common
household vermin as sentient beings and lovable, quirky characters, is both
real and very disturbing. To doubt the impact that Bambi and its ilk have
had on the children of this country vis-à-vis animal rights over the past
50 years or so illustrates either a degree of naiveté previously believed
limited to single celled organisms, or a near total absence of cognitive
function.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

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Rich,
I agree with you. Whether the release was planned or not really makes little
difference in the big picture.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"RichZ" wrote in message
...

The suggestion that the release was planned to coincide with the opening
of
hunting season in many parts of the country is a bit 'oliver stone-ish'
for
me to swallow. Disney movie releases are timed like all major studio
releases -- to maximize box office earnings. But the effects on the
collective mindset of America's 3 to 10 year olds, of being constantly
and
repeatedly bombarded with images of wildlife, fish and even common
household vermin as sentient beings and lovable, quirky characters, is
both
real and very disturbing. To doubt the impact that Bambi and its ilk have
had on the children of this country vis-à-vis animal rights over the past
50 years or so illustrates either a degree of naiveté previously believed
limited to single celled organisms, or a near total absence of cognitive
function.

RichZ©
www.richz.com/fishing

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RichZ wrote:

... But the effects on the
collective mindset of America's 3 to 10 year olds, of being constantly and
repeatedly bombarded with images of wildlife, fish and even common
household vermin as sentient beings and lovable, quirky characters, is both
real and very disturbing.

Disturbing to whom ? Get a grip already, they're cartoons fer cryin'
out loud. You may think you see a boogie man behind the curtain, but
kids know about cartoons.

To doubt the impact that Bambi and its ilk have
had on the children of this country vis-à-vis animal rights over the past
50 years or so illustrates either a degree of naiveté previously believed
limited to single celled organisms, or a near total absence of cognitive
function.

If you think Disney cartoons are a danger to hunters and fishermen you
must think that kids are idiots. They are not. They will eventually
know all about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Bambi and the Mermaid
without the assistance of the chicken little fruitcakes who would gripe
about cartoons. If you want to do something good for hunters and
fishermen, forget Disney cartoons and get out there and help elect a
Democrat.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Anybody that has to resort to name calling and profanity to try to make their
point is not worth the time it takes to read their stuff.
Ronnie

http://fishing.about.com

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Chuck Coger wrote:

.. I have a 28 year old neighbor that saw his first
cow LAST YEAR!!! He has no idea what a bear or deer is, so his only guide is
what he saw on film!

No idea ? Chuck, that pegs the needle on my bull**** meter.

So does it leave an impression, yes it does. So find some soap and wash your
hands after all that belligerent typing, sign up for a Psy. Class somewhere
and perhaps some anger management courses. I certainly don't want you
representing me on this issue!!

What issue ? The danger that Disney cartoons pose to hunting and fishing ?
That's a silly non-issue, and what's worse it casts those who rant about
it as ridiculous loons on a par with the PETA nutcases. Hunters and fishermen
do not need the "help" of raving fruitcakes who would get in a snit about
cartoons. It reflects poorly on the rest of us.

If the traditions of hunting and fishing which have been passed down from
fathers to sons for over 200 years in this country are so tenuous and
fragile that they can be threatened by cartoons then they cannot be saved.
Thankfully, that is not the case.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Want to meet him Ken, I can certainly put you in touch with him if you would
like to verify the claim. Just say the word.

As for what Issue, I believe we were dicussing anti hunting and anti fishing
propoganada, which would make the issue pro vs anti hunting and fishing. I
would not want this guy talking to anyone and attempting to represent my
feelings on the topic.

Apparently it is an issue, otherwise we woulndn't be discussing this and our
privledge to hunt and fish would be being challenged across the country. I
also don't see anyone in here that I would classify as "ridiculous loons on
a par with the PETA nutcases". I haven't met anyone on the pro side of the
issueI would put in that catagory.


---
Chuck Coger




"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Chuck Coger wrote:

.. I have a 28 year old neighbor that saw his first
cow LAST YEAR!!! He has no idea what a bear or deer is, so his only
guide is
what he saw on film!

No idea ? Chuck, that pegs the needle on my bull**** meter.

So does it leave an impression, yes it does. So find some soap and wash
your
hands after all that belligerent typing, sign up for a Psy. Class
somewhere
and perhaps some anger management courses. I certainly don't want you
representing me on this issue!!

What issue ? The danger that Disney cartoons pose to hunting and fishing ?
That's a silly non-issue, and what's worse it casts those who rant about
it as ridiculous loons on a par with the PETA nutcases. Hunters and
fishermen
do not need the "help" of raving fruitcakes who would get in a snit about
cartoons. It reflects poorly on the rest of us.

If the traditions of hunting and fishing which have been passed down from
fathers to sons for over 200 years in this country are so tenuous and
fragile that they can be threatened by cartoons then they cannot be saved.
Thankfully, that is not the case.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Chuck Coger wrote:

Want to meet him Ken, I can certainly put you in touch with him if you would
like to verify the claim. Just say the word.

It's one thing to have never seen a deer or a bear, it's another entirely
to not know what one is. If he really doesn't even know what a deer or a
bear is either he is mentally retarded or you've overstated your case.

As for what Issue, I believe we were dicussing anti hunting and anti fishing
propoganada, which would make the issue pro vs anti hunting and fishing. ...

Nope, I just checked the Subject: header again to be sure, we were
discussing Disney cartoons.
I
also don't see anyone in here that I would classify as "ridiculous loons on
a par with the PETA nutcases". I haven't met anyone on the pro side of the
issueI would put in that catagory. ...

Well then, please allow me to introduce James Ehlers of Outdoors Magazine,
if you don't know him, he's the guy that started this thread.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ok I guess I have to spell it out for you, since you didn't catch the his
only experience is what he has seen on film part. He has never seen a deer
or bear in real life, therefore he can only manifest opinions based on what
he has seen on TV, regardless of what that is. His experiences are limited
to that of what he hears and sees because he has never experienced it
himself. I wouldn't presume to know how much of an impact it has on a person
like that, except to say he is an environmentalist that has never set foot
in a forest. I watched the movies as a kid and the impact was low because to
survive we had to hunt deer, and everyone in the house needed to get one. We
also fished like crazy and kept everything we caught back then because it
was food.

So my experiences of the world have left me an avid hunter and fisherman,
things I was taught and learned as a child. So your stance is still that you
can teach your kids to hunt and fish as a child and it will take root and
grow. However if a child's experiences are to the anti side of the issue, it
will not affect their bias on the issue, regardless of the format? It can't
work one way for one side and another way for the other side.

Just think, all of those commercials on TV and the sponsorships companies
give to individuals are all a big waste of money since TV, Commercials and
ads have no affect in influencing people to buy products or support an
issue. Think of all the money the politicians will save with this new
information knowing that people are not influenced to vote for them by what
they see on TV and other ads.

All James did was report the news and make a few comments, that is hardly
the acts of a "ridiculous loon".

---
Chuck Coger




"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Chuck Coger wrote:

Want to meet him Ken, I can certainly put you in touch with him if you
would
like to verify the claim. Just say the word.

It's one thing to have never seen a deer or a bear, it's another entirely
to not know what one is. If he really doesn't even know what a deer or a
bear is either he is mentally retarded or you've overstated your case.

As for what Issue, I believe we were dicussing anti hunting and anti
fishing
propoganada, which would make the issue pro vs anti hunting and fishing.
....

Nope, I just checked the Subject: header again to be sure, we were
discussing Disney cartoons.
I
also don't see anyone in here that I would classify as "ridiculous loons
on
a par with the PETA nutcases". I haven't met anyone on the pro side of
the
issueI would put in that catagory. ...

Well then, please allow me to introduce James Ehlers of Outdoors Magazine,
if you don't know him, he's the guy that started this thread.

--
Ken Fortenberry