Dead Drift Question
 

We'll be up on the Trinity early November for the steelhead.
I'll be trying my first hand at dead drifting and have a few questions.
This is all new to me, but willing to give it a try. I enjoy learning new
techniques and I'm sure some of these question are redundant. Or if you
could lead me to the FAQ's.

I'll be using a 2pc 9'#6 with WF #6 floating line. 9' 3x tapered leaders
with 2-3' of 4x attached to that. I have an assortment of nymphs, stones and
caddis to try.
I'll also be using a floating strike indicator where the butt and leader
meet.
Someone mentioned that it's best to put this at a right angle 90 degrees,
wondering how you would do this? I was originally going to tie on the
strike indicator on the straight line. I've gathered much info on the
internet, but didn't find anything on how to make the 90 degree bend? Tiny
rings?

Also is it necessary to use tapered leaders to make a dead drift set-up? Is
it possible to use 8 or 10 lb test line? Leaders are expensive and I'm sure
I'll lose my share.

Split shots, or Non-lead puddy for depth, where do you put the weight?

How do you make the double rig set-ups?
thanks,
-tom

Dead Drift Question
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
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SNIP
How do you make the double rig set-ups?
thanks,
-tom



http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbleaders/

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/bbdragfreedrift/

(The above applies to indicators as well)

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm

http://steelheadsite.com/silverdoc/mend.html

http://www.flyfishtools.com/mending_line_wet.htm

http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/t...n_mending.aspx

http://ozarkanglers.com/dead_drift.phtml

http://www.westfly.com/feature/0011/feature_370.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...es/voise_indi/

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/tt199806.htm

http://www.flyfishtools.com/fishing_with_nymphs.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...s/fraley_indi/

http://www.finefishing.com/1flyfish/...indicators.htm

http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/fish...and_River.html

http://www.bcfishingreports.com/arti...-steelhead.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/ffs/nymp...echniques1.htm

http://www.shasta.com/trinityfly/steelhead.htm

There are hundreds more on the web. Search on some of the keywords.
Steelhead nymphing, slack line nymhing, indicator nymphing, etc.

TL
MC

Dead Drift Question
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
SNIP
How do you make the double rig set-ups?
thanks,
-tom



http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbleaders/

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/bbdragfreedrift/

(The above applies to indicators as well)

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm

http://steelheadsite.com/silverdoc/mend.html

http://www.flyfishtools.com/mending_line_wet.htm

http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/t...n_mending.aspx

http://ozarkanglers.com/dead_drift.phtml

http://www.westfly.com/feature/0011/feature_370.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...es/voise_indi/

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/tt199806.htm

http://www.flyfishtools.com/fishing_with_nymphs.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...s/fraley_indi/

http://www.finefishing.com/1flyfish/...indicators.htm

http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/fish...and_River.html

http://www.bcfishingreports.com/arti...-steelhead.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/ffs/nymp...echniques1.htm

http://www.shasta.com/trinityfly/steelhead.htm

There are hundreds more on the web. Search on some of the keywords.
Steelhead nymphing, slack line nymhing, indicator nymphing, etc.

TL
MC

Dead Drift Question
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
SNIP
How do you make the double rig set-ups?
thanks,
-tom



http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbleaders/

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/bbdragfreedrift/

(The above applies to indicators as well)

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm

http://steelheadsite.com/silverdoc/mend.html

http://www.flyfishtools.com/mending_line_wet.htm

http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/t...n_mending.aspx

http://ozarkanglers.com/dead_drift.phtml

http://www.westfly.com/feature/0011/feature_370.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...es/voise_indi/

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/tt199806.htm

http://www.flyfishtools.com/fishing_with_nymphs.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...s/fraley_indi/

http://www.finefishing.com/1flyfish/...indicators.htm

http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/fish...and_River.html

http://www.bcfishingreports.com/arti...-steelhead.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/ffs/nymp...echniques1.htm

http://www.shasta.com/trinityfly/steelhead.htm

There are hundreds more on the web. Search on some of the keywords.
Steelhead nymphing, slack line nymhing, indicator nymphing, etc.

TL
MC

Thanks a lot Mike, You've done a lot of research, I'll save the links and
start digesting.
-tom

Dead Drift Question
 

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
SNIP
How do you make the double rig set-ups?
thanks,
-tom



http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/jbleaders/

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/bbdragfreedrift/

(The above applies to indicators as well)

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm

http://steelheadsite.com/silverdoc/mend.html

http://www.flyfishtools.com/mending_line_wet.htm

http://www.midcurrent.com/articles/t...n_mending.aspx

http://ozarkanglers.com/dead_drift.phtml

http://www.westfly.com/feature/0011/feature_370.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...es/voise_indi/

http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/tt199806.htm

http://www.flyfishtools.com/fishing_with_nymphs.htm

http://www.questoutdoors.net/skills/...s/fraley_indi/

http://www.finefishing.com/1flyfish/...indicators.htm

http://www.espn.go.com/outdoors/fish...and_River.html

http://www.bcfishingreports.com/arti...-steelhead.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/ffs/nymp...echniques1.htm

http://www.shasta.com/trinityfly/steelhead.htm

There are hundreds more on the web. Search on some of the keywords.
Steelhead nymphing, slack line nymhing, indicator nymphing, etc.

TL
MC

Thanks a lot Mike, You've done a lot of research, I'll save the links and
start digesting.
-tom

Dead Drift Question
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote

Also is it necessary to use tapered leaders to make a dead drift set-up?
Is
it possible to use 8 or 10 lb test line? Leaders are expensive and I'm
sure
I'll lose my share.



Tom, my first reaction to your question was, "Larry, you suck at indicator
nymphing, let somebody that knows how help this guy."

Then I realized that the very fact I suk may make the few things I've
learned that help ME .... valuable to a beginner ...

so, here goes ... and trust those that know what they are doing,
more than me

3 or 4 feet of 0.20 Maxima.
1 foot of .013 Maxima
roughly 4 feet of 2X
6 inches of 4X

put the indicator on the .013 ... put the shot on the 2x right above the 4X
.... the fly at the end of the 4x (doh) ... adjust the 2X and amount of shot
to suit depth/ current, you want to see that bobbicator bob as the shot taps
the bottom but "stops" should be a fish more often than not, too many stops
that are bottom and reduce weight or 2X, no bobs and add more

Mend a lot,.... no... more than that ..more, really G you will be
surprised how many takes come just after a mend .... I assume this is
because the mend briefly stops the bobbicator from man handling the fly and
the fly drifts a foot more naturally

I found this setup in a Gary Borger book and it makes it possible for me to
almost, nearly, sorta, enjoy the technique ... something I can't do if I try
and use any store bought leader, as I end up with tangled mess

Dead Drift Question
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote

Also is it necessary to use tapered leaders to make a dead drift set-up?
Is
it possible to use 8 or 10 lb test line? Leaders are expensive and I'm
sure
I'll lose my share.



Tom, my first reaction to your question was, "Larry, you suck at indicator
nymphing, let somebody that knows how help this guy."

Then I realized that the very fact I suk may make the few things I've
learned that help ME .... valuable to a beginner ...

so, here goes ... and trust those that know what they are doing,
more than me

3 or 4 feet of 0.20 Maxima.
1 foot of .013 Maxima
roughly 4 feet of 2X
6 inches of 4X

put the indicator on the .013 ... put the shot on the 2x right above the 4X
.... the fly at the end of the 4x (doh) ... adjust the 2X and amount of shot
to suit depth/ current, you want to see that bobbicator bob as the shot taps
the bottom but "stops" should be a fish more often than not, too many stops
that are bottom and reduce weight or 2X, no bobs and add more

Mend a lot,.... no... more than that ..more, really G you will be
surprised how many takes come just after a mend .... I assume this is
because the mend briefly stops the bobbicator from man handling the fly and
the fly drifts a foot more naturally

I found this setup in a Gary Borger book and it makes it possible for me to
almost, nearly, sorta, enjoy the technique ... something I can't do if I try
and use any store bought leader, as I end up with tangled mess

Dead Drift Question
 

Larry L wrote:



Tom, my first reaction to your question was, "Larry, you suck at indicator
nymphing, let somebody that knows how help this guy."

Then I realized that the very fact I suk may make the few things I've
learned that help ME .... valuable to a beginner ...

so, here goes ... and trust those that know what they are doing,
more than me

3 or 4 feet of 0.20 Maxima.
1 foot of .013 Maxima
roughly 4 feet of 2X
6 inches of 4X

put the indicator on the .013 ... put the shot on the 2x right above the 4X
... the fly at the end of the 4x (doh) ... adjust the 2X and amount of shot
to suit depth/ current, you want to see that bobbicator bob as the shot taps
the bottom but "stops" should be a fish more often than not, too many stops
that are bottom and reduce weight or 2X, no bobs and add more

Mend a lot,.... no... more than that ..more, really G you will be
surprised how many takes come just after a mend .... I assume this is
because the mend briefly stops the bobbicator from man handling the fly and
the fly drifts a foot more naturally

I found this setup in a Gary Borger book and it makes it possible for me to
almost, nearly, sorta, enjoy the technique ... something I can't do if I try
and use any store bought leader, as I end up with tangled mess

There are lots of ways to indicator nymph. I do things a little
different from
most. If you're going to go to the trouble of making up a nymphing leader,
I think you'll find it easier to get a good drift as well as use less
weight
(which makes it easier to cast) if you make up your nymphing leader using
mostly tippet (4X) in your case. The tippet sinks much more readily than
heavier leader and its flexibility helps with the drift. Using an indicator
that you can move up and down the line is alot easier than adjusting a
leader.
I also like smaller indicators than most people. In some water types I
think a
submerged indicator results in a better drift than one that is acting
like a bobber.

Willi

Dead Drift Question
 

Larry L wrote:



Tom, my first reaction to your question was, "Larry, you suck at indicator
nymphing, let somebody that knows how help this guy."

Then I realized that the very fact I suk may make the few things I've
learned that help ME .... valuable to a beginner ...

so, here goes ... and trust those that know what they are doing,
more than me

3 or 4 feet of 0.20 Maxima.
1 foot of .013 Maxima
roughly 4 feet of 2X
6 inches of 4X

put the indicator on the .013 ... put the shot on the 2x right above the 4X
... the fly at the end of the 4x (doh) ... adjust the 2X and amount of shot
to suit depth/ current, you want to see that bobbicator bob as the shot taps
the bottom but "stops" should be a fish more often than not, too many stops
that are bottom and reduce weight or 2X, no bobs and add more

Mend a lot,.... no... more than that ..more, really G you will be
surprised how many takes come just after a mend .... I assume this is
because the mend briefly stops the bobbicator from man handling the fly and
the fly drifts a foot more naturally

I found this setup in a Gary Borger book and it makes it possible for me to
almost, nearly, sorta, enjoy the technique ... something I can't do if I try
and use any store bought leader, as I end up with tangled mess

There are lots of ways to indicator nymph. I do things a little
different from
most. If you're going to go to the trouble of making up a nymphing leader,
I think you'll find it easier to get a good drift as well as use less
weight
(which makes it easier to cast) if you make up your nymphing leader using
mostly tippet (4X) in your case. The tippet sinks much more readily than
heavier leader and its flexibility helps with the drift. Using an indicator
that you can move up and down the line is alot easier than adjusting a
leader.
I also like smaller indicators than most people. In some water types I
think a
submerged indicator results in a better drift than one that is acting
like a bobber.

Willi

Dead Drift Question
 

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote

Also is it necessary to use tapered leaders to make a dead drift set-up?
Is
it possible to use 8 or 10 lb test line? Leaders are expensive and I'm
sure
I'll lose my share.



Tom, my first reaction to your question was, "Larry, you suck at indicator
nymphing, let somebody that knows how help this guy."

Then I realized that the very fact I suk may make the few things I've
learned that help ME .... valuable to a beginner ...

so, here goes ... and trust those that know what they are doing,
more than me

3 or 4 feet of 0.20 Maxima.
1 foot of .013 Maxima
roughly 4 feet of 2X
6 inches of 4X

put the indicator on the .013 ... put the shot on the 2x right above the
4X
... the fly at the end of the 4x (doh) ... adjust the 2X and amount of
shot
to suit depth/ current, you want to see that bobbicator bob as the shot
taps
the bottom but "stops" should be a fish more often than not, too many
stops
that are bottom and reduce weight or 2X, no bobs and add more

Mend a lot,.... no... more than that ..more, really G you will be
surprised how many takes come just after a mend .... I assume this is
because the mend briefly stops the bobbicator from man handling the fly
and
the fly drifts a foot more naturally

I found this setup in a Gary Borger book and it makes it possible for me
to
almost, nearly, sorta, enjoy the technique ... something I can't do if I
try
and use any store bought leader, as I end up with tangled mess


Thanks, all the re-post have been very helpful. As I have found, there are
many ways and techniques to Dead Drift a line. Everyone seems to have their
favorite method. The best thing for me is to try a few and find one that
will work for me on the Trinity. I also have found this newsgroup very
helpful, one of the better ones. I've learned a lot here and will continue
to use the newsgroup as a great source of fly fishing information.
thanks again,
-tom