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Bob La Londe March 14th, 2004 04:16 AM

Motor Guide Still Sucks
 
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I pulled the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota Maxxum. I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring to either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts installed. I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple times I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and except at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and forth worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna risk a dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I might try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the Skeeter I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the Whacko. It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude trolling motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the Whacko, and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish finders off he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already mounted my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA aluminum
series coming up.

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Bob La Londe March 14th, 2004 07:09 PM

Found a use for it.
 
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I pulled the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota Maxxum.

I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring to either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts installed. I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple times I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and except at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and forth

worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna risk a

dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I might try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the Skeeter

I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the Whacko. It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude trolling

motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the Whacko, and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish finders off he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already mounted my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA aluminum
series coming up.

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go-bassn March 15th, 2004 12:14 AM

Found a use for it.
 
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been digitizing the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year or so
ago.

Warren
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I pulled the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota Maxxum.

I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring to

either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts installed. I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple times I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and except

at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and forth

worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna risk a

dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I might

try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the

Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the Whacko. It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude trolling

motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the Whacko,

and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish finders off

he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already mounted

my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA aluminum
series coming up.

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Bob La Londe March 15th, 2004 04:05 AM

Found a use for it.
 
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part that sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project for fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower river, but it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could rig it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


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"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been digitizing the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year or so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym

Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its

maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I pulled

the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota

Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring to

either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts installed.

I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple times

I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and

except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and forth

worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the

motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna risk

a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I might

try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the

Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the Whacko.

It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude trolling

motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the Whacko,

and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish finders

off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already mounted

my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA

aluminum
series coming up.

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Roy Randolph March 15th, 2004 02:39 PM

Found a use for it.
 
Is this an electric steer or cable steer motor?

What model is it?


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part that

sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project for fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower river, but

it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could rig it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


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"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been digitizing

the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year or so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym

Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
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www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
YumaBsssMan
dot
com
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its

maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I pulled

the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota

Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring to

either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts installed.

I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple

times
I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and

except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and

forth
worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the

motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna

risk
a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I

might
try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the

Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the Whacko.

It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude

trolling
motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the

Whacko,
and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish finders

off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already

mounted
my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA

aluminum
series coming up.

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Bob La Londe March 15th, 2004 02:41 PM

Found a use for it.
 
Cable steer. 76lb don't recall which model.

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"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
Is this an electric steer or cable steer motor?

What model is it?


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part that

sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project for

fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower river,

but
it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could rig it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


--
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www.YumaBassMan.com

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at
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com
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been digitizing

the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year or

so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym

Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
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Fishing Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
YumaBsssMan
dot
com
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its

maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I

pulled
the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota

Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring

to
either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts

installed.
I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple

times
I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and

except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and

forth
worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in the

motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna

risk
a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I

might
try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying the
Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the

Whacko.
It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude

trolling
motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the

Whacko,
and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish

finders
off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already

mounted
my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA

aluminum
series coming up.

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Roy Randolph March 15th, 2004 03:04 PM

Found a use for it.
 
If it's not steering then check the cable end in the head if you hear parts
rattling around then it sounds like the tab lock came off or the plastic
screw post has broke

either way sounds like the place you took it to get it fixed didn't do a
good job!

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Cable steer. 76lb don't recall which model.

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"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
Is this an electric steer or cable steer motor?

What model is it?


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part that

sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project for

fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower river,

but
it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could rig

it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


--
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www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
YumaBsssMan
dot
com
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been

digitizing
the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year

or
so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym
Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
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Fishing Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
YumaBsssMan
dot
com
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for its
maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I

pulled
the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn Kota
Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired figuring

to
either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts

installed.
I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a couple

times
I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction, and
except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back and

forth
worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in

the
motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't gonna

risk
a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor I

might
try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying

the
Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the

Whacko.
It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude

trolling
motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the

Whacko,
and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish

finders
off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already

mounted
my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA
aluminum
series coming up.

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Bob La Londe March 15th, 2004 03:14 PM

Found a use for it.
 
Maybe they didn't, but I'm just not going to waste any more money on it. I
have trolling motors for both of my boats so I do not need to.

I am familiar with how the steering works on the motor. I repaired it once,
and then the next time it died becasue the gear snapped off the top of the
shaft. I had somebody else repair that. This time I haven't even pulled
the cover to look.

I have talked to several other people in this area who do not like Motor
Guide motors for one reason or another. The Evinrude trolling motor I
pulled off my old boat to replace the Motor Gunk is over 20 years old with
no problems. Its only 50 lbs, but it should pull that 16' aluminum boat
just fine. When I run out of projects (yeah right) I'll pull the cover off
the Motor Gunk and take a look at it.
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"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
If it's not steering then check the cable end in the head if you hear

parts
rattling around then it sounds like the tab lock came off or the plastic
screw post has broke

either way sounds like the place you took it to get it fixed didn't do a
good job!

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Cable steer. 76lb don't recall which model.

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"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
Is this an electric steer or cable steer motor?

What model is it?


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part that
sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project

for
fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower

river,
but
it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could

rig
it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


--
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www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
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com
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been

digitizing
the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a year

or
so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on ym
Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
Public Fishing Forums
Fishing Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com

webmaster
at
YumaBsssMan
dot
com
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for

its
maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor. I

pulled
the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn

Kota
Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired

figuring
to
either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts

installed.
I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a

couple
times
I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction,

and
except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back

and
forth
worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling in

the
motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't

gonna
risk
a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new motor

I
might
try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in buying

the
Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the

Whacko.
It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude
trolling
motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on the
Whacko,
and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish

finders
off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I already
mounted
my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that ABA
aluminum
series coming up.

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go-bassn March 15th, 2004 04:30 PM

Found a use for it.
 
I wouldn't waste any money on a 94 either Bob...

WW

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Maybe they didn't, but I'm just not going to waste any more money on it.

I
have trolling motors for both of my boats so I do not need to.

I am familiar with how the steering works on the motor. I repaired it

once,
and then the next time it died becasue the gear snapped off the top of the
shaft. I had somebody else repair that. This time I haven't even pulled
the cover to look.

I have talked to several other people in this area who do not like Motor
Guide motors for one reason or another. The Evinrude trolling motor I
pulled off my old boat to replace the Motor Gunk is over 20 years old with
no problems. Its only 50 lbs, but it should pull that 16' aluminum boat
just fine. When I run out of projects (yeah right) I'll pull the cover

off
the Motor Gunk and take a look at it.
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com
"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
If it's not steering then check the cable end in the head if you hear

parts
rattling around then it sounds like the tab lock came off or the plastic
screw post has broke

either way sounds like the place you took it to get it fixed didn't do a
good job!

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Cable steer. 76lb don't recall which model.

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"Roy Randolph" wrote in message
...
Is this an electric steer or cable steer motor?

What model is it?


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I'm guessing its a 1994 or newer. Its not the electronics part

that
sucks.
Its the steering mechanism.

I may take a look at converting it to a hand operated as a project

for
fun
some time to use on my square back canoe for running the lower

river,
but
it
will never go back on one of my bass boats. I suppose if I could

rig
it
right I might be able to use the motor on something down the road.


--
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at
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com
"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Bob, how old is your MG? I'm told that since they've been

digitizing
the
components things have taken a major change for the better, a

year
or
so
ago.

Warren
--
http://www.warrenwolk.com/



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I found a good use for my MotorGunk.

I used the power cord off of it to lengthen the power cord on

ym
Evinrude
trolling motor.

Maybe I can scrounge some other good parts.

--
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at
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dot
com
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
As I mentioned in another post I took the Waco out today for

its
maiden
voayge.

Amoung the various things I tested was the trolling motor.

I
pulled
the
Motor Gunk off the Baker a while back and put on a new Minn

Kota
Maxxum.
I
love the Maxxum. Anyway, I had the Motor Gunk repaired

figuring
to
either
sell it, or use it on another boat. It had all new parts
installed.
I
dropped it in the water and after moving back and forth a

couple
times
I
noticed the pointer was not pointing in the right direction,

and
except
at
the absolute slowest speeds the darn thing was flopping back

and
forth
worse
than the tail of a dog with a mouth full of bacon.

As I pulled it out of the water I could hear parts rattling

in
the
motor
head. ****! Motor Gunk has found its way to my, "I ain't

gonna
risk
a
dime
on 'em list." If Motor Gunk wants to send me a free new

motor
I
might
try
it and give them a second chance, but otherwise forget it.

Fortunately, since nobody had expressed any interest in

buying
the
Skeeter
I
had already decided to start pulling stuff off of it for the
Whacko.
It
took me about ten minutes to pull that old reliable Evinrude
trolling
motor
off. Sometime tommorrow I am sure I'll have it mounted on

the
Whacko,
and
ready for a test run. While I was at it I pulled both fish
finders
off
he
Skeeter as well in order to use them on the Whacko. I

already
mounted
my
Garmin 176 GPS map, so I will definitely be ready for that

ABA
aluminum
series coming up.

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