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margret k February 22nd, 2006 10:54 PM

Scientist Fear Leaping Carp Will Invade Great Lakes
 

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9922

Terry Lomax March 2nd, 2006 07:40 PM

Scientist Fear Leaping Bighead and Silver Carp Will Invade Great Lakes
 

margret k wrote:
http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9922


Subject adjusted to avoid any chance people think the article is about
Common Carp. The Bighead and Silver Carp made their way up the
Illinois River and are supposedly blocked by barriers. What if the
adult Bigheads spawn nearby and the tiny fry get through the barriers?
In addition, how can boats get through the canals in Chicago WITHOUT
any chance of fish getting through?

It's inevitable the Bighead and Silver Carp will get into the Great
Lakes and consume a high percentage of the plankton that form the food
chain. Of course there's almost no such plankton remaining because the
zebra mussels made the lakes almost lifeless. Irresponsible
publications such as In-Fisherman have claimed zebra mussels are a good
thing because they made the water in Lake Erie clearer; this shows
In-Fisherman is worthless.


Rodney Long March 3rd, 2006 01:07 AM

Scientist Fear Leaping Bighead and Silver Carp Will Invade GreatLakes
 
Terry Lomax wrote:

margret k wrote:

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9922



Subject adjusted to avoid any chance people think the article is about
Common Carp. The Bighead and Silver Carp made their way up the
Illinois River and are supposedly blocked by barriers. What if the
adult Bigheads spawn nearby and the tiny fry get through the barriers?
In addition, how can boats get through the canals in Chicago WITHOUT
any chance of fish getting through?


It's an electric field barrier,,, boats go through, fish get shocked



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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers March 3rd, 2006 01:53 PM

Scientist Fear Leaping Bighead and Silver Carp Will Invade Great Lakes
 

"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
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margret k wrote:
http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=9922


Subject adjusted to avoid any chance people think the article is about
Common Carp. The Bighead and Silver Carp made their way up the
Illinois River and are supposedly blocked by barriers. What if the
adult Bigheads spawn nearby and the tiny fry get through the barriers?
In addition, how can boats get through the canals in Chicago WITHOUT
any chance of fish getting through?

It's inevitable the Bighead and Silver Carp will get into the Great
Lakes and consume a high percentage of the plankton that form the food
chain. Of course there's almost no such plankton remaining because the
zebra mussels made the lakes almost lifeless. Irresponsible
publications such as In-Fisherman have claimed zebra mussels are a good
thing because they made the water in Lake Erie clearer; this shows
In-Fisherman is worthless.


And your credentials are what? You can post on a newsgroup? Somehow I'll
believe In-Fisherman. They're not exactly newbies to fishing, fish, the
environment and understanding the interplay between the three. You don't
even understand how a fish barrier works!
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
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Terry Lomax March 3rd, 2006 07:36 PM

Scientist Fear Leaping Bighead and Silver Carp Will Invade Great Lakes
 

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:

And your credentials are what? You can post on a newsgroup? Somehow I'll
believe In-Fisherman. They're not exactly newbies to fishing, fish, the
environment and understanding the interplay between the three. You don't
even understand how a fish barrier works!


I should have read the story first to read that there's an electric
barrier. A recent PBS show about invasive species mentioned the
barrier without saying it's electric; a shot of the barrier made it
look like fish could pass through when it was open for ships to pass
through.

There could be a power outage. The fish could leap into boats just
before the boat crosses the barrier, then leap out after the boat is
past the barrier. I don't believe the barrier will be completely
effective in keeping them out of Lake Michigan.

The Bighead and Silver Carp are also in the Ohio system. Aren't there
canals connecting Lake Erie with the Ohio system?

My jab at In-Fisherman is based on an article from 5+ years ago about
the effect of Zebra Mussels in Lake Erie. In-Fisherman implied the
Zebra Mussels were beneficial because they increased water clarity in
the lake, and In-Fisherman listed a correlation (that is definitely NOT
causation) of improved Smallmouth fishing in Lake Erie, implying the
Zebra Mussels caused better Smallmouth fishing.

In-Fisherman has some unrealistic attitudes such as "God created people
to rule over all animals; fish were put on earth to be killed and eaten
by meathogs".

In-Fisherman also bases a lot of its material on government- and
corporate-funded scientific research. Many of the scientists are the
same people who recommended bringing invasive species (Grass Carp,
Bighead Carp, etc) to the USA in the first place.

In-Fisherman and other magazines are also slaves to advertisers who
sell the big boats that transfer Zebra Mussel larvae from one body of
water to another.

In reality, the improved Smallmouth fishing is a result of decreased
pollution. After bottoming out when the river caught fire, awareness
and public pressure resulted in a decrease in pollution. The
Smallmouth came back when pollution fell.

The Zebra Mussels in Lake Erie make the lake sterile, killing the
building blocks of the food chain. If the populations of large fish in
Erie haven't already collapsed, they probably will soon.



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