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1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
I posted some questions here a few years back before my first trip to
the Yoop and got some helpful advice (a grateful tip of the cap to Mr. Wolfgang) on streams around the Kenton area. Planning a return trip in a couple weeks and I'm hoping I can score some insights on a different topic this time: Black flies. Our last trip was in late summer/early fall, so these pests weren't really an issue. But with the return trip scheduled for the first week of July, I'm a little worried this time around. First, is it completely nuts to fish up there this time of year? There's some indication in archived posts on the topic that black fly season may be over by early July. Can anyone attest to how the season is shaping up so far this year? Second, is one repellent better than another for black flies/deer flies? I'm sure I could get multiple answers here, but any advice based on experience (or otherwise, I suppose) is appreciated. Finally, are black flies more of a stream nuisance, or should we expect to battle them around warmwater lakes as well? While I'm at it, I'll push my luck with a bonus question as well: Any Kenton-area streams fish better than others this time of year? Thanks a bunch for any help. Justin |
1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
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1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
jtd1218 wrote... I posted some questions here a few years back before my first trip to the Yoop and got some helpful advice (a grateful tip of the cap to Mr. Wolfgang) on streams around the Kenton area. Planning a return trip in a couple weeks and I'm hoping I can score some insights on a different topic this time: Black flies. Our last trip was in late summer/early fall, so these pests weren't really an issue. But with the return trip scheduled for the first week of July, I'm a little worried this time around. First, is it completely nuts to fish up there this time of year? Yes, but don't let that stop you. IME (moderately extensive), a bug net such as the OR Spring Ring (http://tinyurl.com/ez5wj), coupled with a pair of mesh gloves and long sleeves will keep you sane and almost bite free. And hoping for a breeze doesn't hurt, either..... There's some indication in archived posts on the topic that black fly season may be over by early July. Can anyone attest to how the season is shaping up so far this year? I wish I could. My IR trip isn't until mid-July, so I'll look for your report. :-) Typically June is the worst month for bugs, but that of course can vary tremendously depending on weather, etc. Second, is one repellent better than another for black flies/deer flies? DEET works. Well. Bear in mind it's various not-so-nice effects when applying. I prefer the REI Jungle Juice (cheapest 100% DEET (OK, 98.something) I've found). The higher DEET concentrations do not affect repellency, just the length of time between applications. I tried Picaridin (Cutter Advanced) last year on a moderatly skeeter/fly infested trip, but frankly, was not all that impressed with it. I do, however tend to be quite the bug attractor (Hey, at least something finds me attractive, huh?), so YMMV here. I'm sure I could get multiple answers here, but any advice based on experience (or otherwise, I suppose) is appreciated. Finally, are black flies more of a stream nuisance, or should we expect to battle them around warmwater lakes as well? IME, they're not too picky about habitat. Streams, lakes, hair, pants legs, cooking food, privies, etc. While I'm at it, I'll push my luck with a bonus question as well: Any Kenton-area streams fish better than others this time of year? Man-o-man do I wish I had an answer for that one. Dan |
1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message .4... wrote in news:1150736918.703332.76190 @h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: For black flies, I tend not to count on any of the repellants. Even with the repellents, things can get pretty darn miserable. I travel with a headnet, just in case, and if I knew I was heading into trouble, I'd pick up one of those bug jackets, and maybe even bring a lightweight cotton glove or something. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Scott, Is that just with black flies or all flies, including mosquitoes? Is there something about bug repellants that you know of that isn't given in the MSDS data? Reason for asking I'll be in Alaska the first two weeks of July. -tom |
1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in
: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message .4... wrote in news:1150736918.703332.76190 @h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: For black flies, I tend not to count on any of the repellants. Even with the repellents, things can get pretty darn miserable. I travel with a headnet, just in case, and if I knew I was heading into trouble, I'd pick up one of those bug jackets, and maybe even bring a lightweight cotton glove or something. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Scott, Is that just with black flies or all flies, including mosquitoes? Is there something about bug repellants that you know of that isn't given in the MSDS data? Reason for asking I'll be in Alaska the first two weeks of July. -tom Nothing really beyond the ken, but black flies seem to be able to simply ignore repellents when they want to, and then life can get real miserable real fast. See http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2167.html and look at the prevention section. I know you like traveling ultra light, but if the area you're heading into has a reputation of black fly activity in early July, you might want to pick up a head net. If the flys are really bad, buy more than one, and gouge your travel companions on the price! You might also do up your travel clothes with Permethrin-- that's most conveniently done in advance. I've had some success with treating a bandana with Permethrin and wearing around my neck. Wrist bands might help too. One treatment lasts about two weeks-- longer if you keep it in a plastic baggy. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in : "Scott Seidman" wrote in message .4... wrote in news:1150736918.703332.76190 @h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: For black flies, I tend not to count on any of the repellants. Even with the repellents, things can get pretty darn miserable. I travel with a headnet, just in case, and if I knew I was heading into trouble, I'd pick up one of those bug jackets, and maybe even bring a lightweight cotton glove or something. -- Scott Reverse name to reply Scott, Is that just with black flies or all flies, including mosquitoes? Is there something about bug repellants that you know of that isn't given in the MSDS data? Reason for asking I'll be in Alaska the first two weeks of July. -tom Perhaps http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6064633275 &category=11741 will do for a mosquito glove -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
On 19 Jun 2006 20:42:01 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote:
I've had some success with treating a bandana with Permethrin and wearing around my neck. Wrist bands might help too. One treatment lasts about two weeks-- longer if you keep it in a plastic baggy. I treat my hats, and that seems to help some as well. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
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1001 U.P. Black Fly Questions
On 19 Jun 2006 17:54:41 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: For black flies, I tend not to count on any of the repellants. Even with the repellents, things can get pretty darn miserable. I travel with a headnet, just in case, and if I knew I was heading into trouble, I'd pick up one of those bug jackets, and maybe even bring a lightweight cotton glove or something. If you use a headnet, be sure it is capable of handling deet. It will be useless without the deet, for the insects will swarm over the net trying to get to your face. My grandson used one in Labrador, much to our amusement. Once the boat stopped and the insects (black flies, noseeums, and skeeters) covered his net so badly that he couldn't see. The net came with a warning not to use deet on it. Dave |
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