On a sobering note...
 

http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

/daytripper ()

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"daytripper" wrote in message
...
http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

/daytripper ()

It would be extremely surprising if it was unique to Tennessee. Actually
its surprising that that they didn't find at least some level of e. coli in
every stream in the state, since deer, rabbits, squirrels, and most other
wild game can carry e. coli in their gut. I suspect however, that the
levels of e. coli found in these 500 streams exceeded some threshhold
significant level, but that was not stated in the article and the journalist
who wrote the article probably didn't understand the distinction..

Bob Weinberger

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"daytripper" wrote in message
...
http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

Nope, a couple of the smaller lakes here in W.MI, as well as some of the
beaches on the big lake have recently been closed due to high e. coli
levels. The heat and VERY little rain hasn't helped. Most of these waters
have cleared to safer levels with changes in temp and precip.

Jeremy Moe

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:50:16 GMT, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

/daytripper ()

It would be extremely surprising if it was unique to Tennessee. Actually
its surprising that that they didn't find at least some level of e. coli in
every stream in the state, since deer, rabbits, squirrels, and most other
wild game can carry e. coli in their gut. I suspect however, that the
levels of e. coli found in these 500 streams exceeded some threshhold
significant level, but that was not stated in the article and the journalist
who wrote the article probably didn't understand the distinction..

Bob Weinberger


Um, girls...before anyone ****s a kitten...note the article didn't say
which strain of e. coli or what level...the mere fact that some variety
of it was found is meaningless...OTOH, can grant money be far behind?

TC,
R
....on a related note...ASPARTAME CAN CAUSE CANCER!!!!...if you eat 423
pounds a day...

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:21:05 GMT, "J & D Moe" wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

Nope, a couple of the smaller lakes here in W.MI, as well as some of the
beaches on the big lake have recently been closed due to high e. coli
levels. The heat and VERY little rain hasn't helped. Most of these waters
have cleared to safer levels with changes in temp and precip.

Jeremy Moe

Aw, just make sure you cook any hamburgers you catch past medium and
you'll be fine...

HTH,
R

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:33:00 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:50:16 GMT, "Bob Weinberger"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...essee_streams/

I doubt this is unique to Tennessee...

/daytripper ()

It would be extremely surprising if it was unique to Tennessee. Actually
its surprising that that they didn't find at least some level of e. coli in
every stream in the state, since deer, rabbits, squirrels, and most other
wild game can carry e. coli in their gut. I suspect however, that the
levels of e. coli found in these 500 streams exceeded some threshhold
significant level, but that was not stated in the article and the journalist
who wrote the article probably didn't understand the distinction..

Bob Weinberger


But, Bob, it's _pollution_. It's _germs_. Some types of it, in
sufficient quantity, can kill some people. Usually the weak and small
children. So it makes good press.

Um, girls...before anyone ****s a kitten...note the article didn't say
which strain of e. coli or what level...the mere fact that some variety
of it was found is meaningless...OTOH, can grant money be far behind?

TC,
R
...on a related note...ASPARTAME CAN CAUSE CANCER!!!!...if you eat 423
pounds a day...

Who cares? I won't use the stuff because it reacts in my body to
leave a really bad aftertaste.

E.Coli. has never been anything that worried me much in the way of
parasites and symbiotes. Trichinosis, now.... Or Giardia (been
there, done that, it liked my body too much for too long) or
Cryptosporidium are whole different ranges of illness one can get from
the great outdoors. Okay, Trichinosis probably doesn't belong in
there. It's more from old fashioned pork.

I can't see anyone getting ultra sick from having a minor scratch and
swimming in e.coli water unless it the water was so full of it that no
one would want to swim there because of the colour and the smell.
Accidentally or intentionally drinking some, okay.
--

r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Cyli" wrote in message
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I can't see anyone getting ultra sick from having a minor scratch and
swimming in e.coli water unless it the water was so full of it that no
one would want to swim there because of the colour and the smell.
Accidentally or intentionally drinking some, okay.

From the article: "I think it's just sad that it's polluted, and I hope
they find a solution."

Anybody remember, "The solution to pollution is dilution"? :)

One of those potentially dangerous half-truths......one which, in this
instance, happens to be perfectly correct in its implications, if not in
practical terms.

Wolfgang

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:33:49 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
.. .


I can't see anyone getting ultra sick from having a minor scratch and
swimming in e.coli water unless it the water was so full of it that no
one would want to swim there because of the colour and the smell.
Accidentally or intentionally drinking some, okay.

From the article: "I think it's just sad that it's polluted, and I hope
they find a solution."

Were you pointing out the 'I think' and 'I hope' until it came to
'they find'? Remarkable how the pronouns change there, isn't it? Not
that I'm saying I'm any better, by the way. That's how I feel about
it, too, but at least I realize I'm more part of the problem than of
the solution.

Anybody remember, "The solution to pollution is dilution"? :)

Yeah. Except there's only so much you can dilute. Then you have to
go to concentration and degradation.

One of those potentially dangerous half-truths......one which, in this
instance, happens to be perfectly correct in its implications, if not in
practical terms.

Wolfgang

--

r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Cyli" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:33:49 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
. ..


I can't see anyone getting ultra sick from having a minor scratch and
swimming in e.coli water unless it the water was so full of it that no
one would want to swim there because of the colour and the smell.
Accidentally or intentionally drinking some, okay.

From the article: "I think it's just sad that it's polluted, and I hope
they find a solution."

Were you pointing out the 'I think' and 'I hope' until it came to
'they find'? Remarkable how the pronouns change there, isn't it? Not
that I'm saying I'm any better, by the way. That's how I feel about
it, too, but at least I realize I'm more part of the problem than of
the solution.

Nah, that's interesting, but it didn't occur to me. I was just struck the
juxtaposition of "polluted" and "solution".....it rang that chime from long
ago, and paralleled Bob's observation about threshhold levels. Coliform
bacteria in gneral, and E. coli in particular, are everywhere and we are
exposed to them constantly. They only present a problem (generally
speaking......yes, there are exceptions) when one is exposed to numbers that
overwhelm the body's immune defenses. Hence, the dilution=solution
equation.

Anybody remember, "The solution to pollution is dilution"? :)

Yeah. Except there's only so much you can dilute. Then you have to
go to concentration and degradation.

Right. In fact, while the limits to the dilution=solution paradigm may not
have been known in detail at the time, the mantra was disingenuous because
in all too many cases those limits had already been clearly exceeded. In
direct contravention to one of the concise statements of an already well
understood ecological principle that followed closely in the wake of Barry
Commoner's "The Closing Circle," that "there is no such place as away,"
people were (and to a large extent, still are) deliberately encouraged to
believe that problems concerning waste can simply be flushed away when, of
course, flushing it away is precisely the cause of the problem.

Wolfgang