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Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads? I'd
use them for nymphs. Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the 3906b's. |
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"gary gilman" wrote in message nk.net... Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads? I'd use them for nymphs. Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the 3906b's. Purely a matter of personal preference, unless you want to copy some "classic" pattern exactly. I generally use the 3906b for nymphs, and the 9671 and 9672 for wets and streamers. Wolfgang |
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Hi Gary,
Not to be disrespectful, but first, what is the year on your calendar? or what state are you in? seriously now.................. I know that California is about 20 years ahead of some other states, but my customers quite buying the old Mustad hooks about 10 years ago?????????????? I think the last year we had them, we sold 11 boxes totally. I sold Mustad hooks sense 1965 and they died for us in the 1990s. Ever hear of Japanese hooks? Hell, out here we can't even sell a fly if it is not on a Japanese hook? Hell, all them tobacco chewen' bass guys use Japanese hooks. The guys driften' roe on the coastal rivers have been using Japanese hooks for years too. I thought fly fisherman were suppose to be more educated and real smart? Why would you use a hook that is produced with 100 year old technology? Sadly I watched those Japanese kick Mustad's and Eagle Claw's butts because they thought they had the US fly hook market. Now they are trying to play catch up and I think it is too late. Now this is the fly fishing customers in CA doing this if you are planning on a big frontal attack. I just am try to stay up with were it is going so I can be in business for 4 more years. (this ought to be good) duck, incoming.............. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA www.kiene.com "gary gilman" wrote in message nk.net... Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads? I'd use them for nymphs. Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the 3906b's. |
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BILL, What do you think of the adg titanium fly pole? Its supposed to
be better than a orvis s3 |
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Bill Kiene wrote:
Why would you use a hook that is produced with 100 year old technology? Or a fly rod, for that matter. :-) Fortenberry says that someone he knows, who is easily the best flyfishman in Montana and New Zealand combined, only uses Mustad hooks because the cheesy Japanese hooks are so weak that they bend and cause pullouts. So that settles that. Please pay attention, Bill. :-) |
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I have also ripped Mustads on this forum before, but it's a good thing that
my mint flavored shoes were on my feet that day. The Mustad Signature hooks are really pretty nice. Ahem, bruce h |
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rw wrote:
Bill Kiene wrote: Why would you use a hook that is produced with 100 year old technology? Or a fly rod, for that matter. :-) Fortenberry says that someone he knows, who is easily the best flyfishman in Montana and New Zealand combined, only uses Mustad hooks because the cheesy Japanese hooks are so weak that they bend and cause pullouts. So that settles that. Please pay attention, Bill. :-) Nice one. One man tosses the match, the next fans the flames. My only concern is that I may be standing too close if the wind comes up. Chas remove fly fish to reply http://home.comcast.net/~chas.wade/w...ome.html-.html |
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The last time the hook subject came up here I took a dozen each of Timeco,
Mustad, Eagle Claw and some old Herters hooks and tested them. They were all # 12 dry fly hooks. The test used a two lb cannon ball weigh, 2'0" of 30 lb steel leader material, I set the hook points in a piece of nylon clamped to the edge of a table. The eyeys were pointed down over the edge of the table. Dropping the weight would make for a lound ping, a thud when it hit the floor and a straghtened out hook. Did not break one hook , they all straightened out. I had pictures of all of them but there lost in the harddrive at the moment. I could try it again with a slow pull and develope a stress -strain type diagram , but I sure the answere to hook pricing is that some people like to pay more for some things "Bill Kiene" wrote in message . .. Hi Gary, Not to be disrespectful, but first, what is the year on your calendar? or what state are you in? seriously now.................. I know that California is about 20 years ahead of some other states, but my customers quite buying the old Mustad hooks about 10 years ago?????????????? I think the last year we had them, we sold 11 boxes totally. I sold Mustad hooks sense 1965 and they died for us in the 1990s. Ever hear of Japanese hooks? Hell, out here we can't even sell a fly if it is not on a Japanese hook? Hell, all them tobacco chewen' bass guys use Japanese hooks. The guys driften' roe on the coastal rivers have been using Japanese hooks for years too. I thought fly fisherman were suppose to be more educated and real smart? Why would you use a hook that is produced with 100 year old technology? Sadly I watched those Japanese kick Mustad's and Eagle Claw's butts because they thought they had the US fly hook market. Now they are trying to play catch up and I think it is too late. Now this is the fly fishing customers in CA doing this if you are planning on a big frontal attack. I just am try to stay up with were it is going so I can be in business for 4 more years. (this ought to be good) duck, incoming.............. -- Bill Kiene Kiene's Fly Shop Sacramento, CA www.kiene.com "gary gilman" wrote in message nk.net... Is it just personal preferance between the 3906b and the 9671 mustads? I'd use them for nymphs. Most I see are on the 9671's , but I like the looks of the bend on the 3906b's. |
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:55:26 GMT, "B J Conner" wrote:
The last time the hook subject came up here I took a dozen each of Timeco, Mustad, Eagle Claw and some old Herters hooks and tested them. They were all # 12 dry fly hooks. The test used a two lb cannon ball weigh, 2'0" of 30 lb steel leader material, I set the hook points in a piece of nylon clamped to the edge of a table. The eyeys were pointed down over the edge of the table. Dropping the weight would make for a lound ping, a thud when it hit the floor and a straghtened out hook. Did not break one hook , they all straightened out. I had pictures of all of them but there lost in the harddrive at the moment. I could try it again with a slow pull and develope a stress -strain type diagram , but I sure the answere to hook pricing is that some people like to pay more for some things My experience is this. Last year I just happened to run out of or very short of most of my wet fly hooks. I had been using Mustads, many of them Mustad Accupoints, their old high end hook. I replaced them with Dai Rikis and some clearanced Tiemcos. My purely annecdotal experience with the Asian hooks is that I don't like them as much as my old Mustads. My hooking percentage seemed to be way down. Fish after fish would throw the hook. Of course I always ran a diamond file along the old Mustads, something I only occasionally did with the Far Eastern hooks. Being cheap, I'll use up the Asian hooks, being sure to sharpen each one, but next purchase will probably be Signature Mustads or some old AC Mustads if I can find them. I'm also going to check out the Eagle Claw Laserpoints that Cabela sells. I have a couple packs of their streamer hooks that I'm very impressed with. g.c. |
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