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http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

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On Dec 28, 7:24*pm, rw wrote:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.



Someday we'll see video of some Amreican GI being waterboarded and who
knows what else. Is Bush going to tell his family that isn't torture.
535 people and note with the balls to do what needs to be done.

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Is that some new fly fishing product I missed?

Time to make more bombs? or leave this darn country?
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"rw" wrote in message
...
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

waterboarding
 

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:24:29 -0800, rw
wrote:

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=448717

Oh, well, as long as some anonymous poster on the internet makes claims,
that's all the information or proof anyone should need...

It's torture. Plain and simple.

Whatever it is, Gracie, it is neither "plain" or "simple"...trust me or
don't...

I am so disgusted with our government.

Like most folks, I'm sure they aren't pleased with a shrill Dale
Evans-wannabe such as yourself, either...

And in your previous whines about "torture," IIRC, you (and others) took
the position that it ("torture") simply didn't work as an effective
information-gathering method. Based on much of the recent hoopla and
your own cited site, waterboarding is a particularly effective method of
obtaining information that causes no actual physical harm...so, were you
(and others) wrong about "torture" being effective or are you wrong
about waterboarding being "torture?"

Naturally, in either case, you'll now publicly and unequivocally state
that you'd not want _any_ method used to gather information that even
_might_ be construed by _anyone_ as "torture" should you or anyone about
whom you care be in danger, right?

I mean, ask 'em nicely who or what their friends are planning to blow
up, and if they aren't feeling up to talking, get 'em a lawyer, some ice
creme, and if they ask politely enough, a "Lil' Jihadist Chemistry Set"
and a loaded weapon...

R

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:24:29 -0800, rw
wrote:

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

Put it this way:

If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Torture is pain. There is no pain in waterboarding. And it lasts
only 25 seconds. If it saves lives, waterboard away.

Nice troll, btw. d;o)

LaCourse

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:38:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:24:29 -0800, rw
wrote:

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

Put it this way:

If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Torture is pain.

Have you even been "tortured?" (and no, reading posts on ROFF doesn't
count...)

There is no pain in waterboarding.

Have you ever been waterboarded?

And it lasts only 25 seconds.

Not necessarily. It depends on the person being boarded and the
technique(s) used.

If it saves lives, waterboard away.

On that, we agree.

Nice troll, btw. d;o)

Hmmm...much like the definition of "torture," the definition of "nice"
seems to be a rather hard-to-pin-down target...

Happy Holidays,
R

LaCourse

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:50:41 GMT, wrote:

Have you even been "tortured?"

Yes!! While waiting for an oil change for my car, I was forced to
watch "View" starring fat-face-whats-her-name. shudder

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Turn that around. Suppose your wife or child was mistakenly taken captive
by a foreign government who thought they had valuable information. Would it
be okay if they were waterboarded? Hell no; and that's the same outrage you
should have when our country does it.

With all due respect, the false choice you posit is bull****. It assumes
that you *know* you have the right person, you *know* they possess the
information you seek, you *know* that information is valid and timely, and
you *know* they will give you the correct information under torture. But,
the fact is, you can know none of that with certainty before you begin the
torture. Further, even with information you glean in that manner, you can't
be certain it is truth or made up to stop the torture. IOW, you're going on
an inhuman fishing expedition (OBROFF).

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused. There can be
no double standard. If we can do it to them, they can do it to us. If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority. I cannot excuse or condone that.

Joe F.

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:08:59 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused.

I agree. Our troops in just about every war have suffered torture to
some extent, whether it be beatings, food/water deprivation, or
physical harm.

There can be
no double standard.

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

If we can do it to them, they can do it to us.

Count on it, my friend, up to and including beheading. That is a
given. If only they used *just* waterboarding.

If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority.

Again, if only if was "just" waterboarding. They torture for the pure
pleasure of it. If I was a POW, I would pray that only waterboarding
was used.

I cannot excuse or condone that.

Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds. Waterboarding is psychological. There is NO physical
harm. And, it is affective. If it saves lives (and it has regardless
what you say), then I am for it.

eopcfm

Dave

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds.

Hey, there's no need to bring my family into this. ;-)

Joe F.