Moffitt Fly System
 

As my old eyes fade, I am always looking for easy ways to tie my fly
on while stumbling along the stream. I just learned about the Moffitt
Fly System. Anybody tried this and if so what did you think?

www.moffittangling.com/control/main

I also would like to know if the tube thingee they tie the fly on can
be purchased separately?

Chris 'Padishar Creel' Fanning

Moffitt Fly System
 

As my old eyes fade, I am always looking for easy ways to tie my fly
on while stumbling along the stream. I just learned about the Moffitt
Fly System. *Anybody tried this and if so what did you think?

www.moffittangling.com/control/main

I also would like to know if the tube thingee they tie the fly on can
be purchased separately?

Chris 'Padishar Creel' Fanning

Well, look what the cat drug in and and the dog wouldn't bury! Hey
Chris, welcome back to the quieter, moderated ROFF. We all took a
vote so we're now moderated. Any posting must pass a panel of Forty
and "Beancounter." If it can get through without ****ing either of
them off, it gets posted. Great program.
Haven't seen the system, but it looks like a commercialization of a
few tube fly systems I've seen in the past. I will order the try-out
kit.
Frank Reid

Moffitt Fly System
 

On 29-Jun-2009, Frank Reid wrote:

Haven't seen the system, but it looks like a commercialization of a
few tube fly systems I've seen in the past. I will order the try-out
kit.
Frank Reid


On 29-Jun-2009, Frank Reid wrote:

Haven't seen the system, but it looks like a commercialization of a
few tube fly systems I've seen in the past. I will order the try-out
kit.
Frank Reid

I am also interested
Frank
Pls let us know what you think.

Thanks
Fred

Moffitt Fly System
 

Gents:

Long time lurker who surfaces occassionaly when the talk is actually about
fishing!!!

Chris, I fished the Moffitt system last weekend. I was particularly
interested in their claim of reducing mortality. I found that claim to be
bogus, in fact, for the first time in a long time, I killed a fish.

I caught four fish with the system and every one was hooked in the top of
the jaw, dead center, with the hook pointed out. If you have seen the ads
for the system. you are supposed to hook the fish on the outside of the jaw.
After three fish like this, I took the rig to another fisherman who is
better at tying knots than I and he said the knot was tied correctly, but we
re tied the knot anyway.

I caught another fish, and again it was hooked in the top of its mouth.
When I tried to use their custom hook extractor, the fish lunged in my hand
and the extractor went through his gill.......result......dead fish.

Also, every time I caught fish, the fly had not slipped down the line to the
hook, so the fish was caught on the bare hook. Also, when you see the
cirlce hooks, they don't have a barb, but there is a turn up at the end that
makes it hold just like a barb. They are not easy to remove.

OTOH, the fish did seem to grab an hold these nymphs and I caught fish
quickly.

To summarize.
1. Mortality was not reduced.
2. Snagging is snagging, no matter how you slice it.
3. My guess is that the developers of this system hope that fisherman will
overlook these shortcomings in the hope of catching more fish.

My kit is in the trash can.

Patrick
"Fred" wrote in message
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On 29-Jun-2009, Frank Reid wrote:

Haven't seen the system, but it looks like a commercialization of a
few tube fly systems I've seen in the past. I will order the try-out
kit.
Frank Reid


On 29-Jun-2009, Frank Reid wrote:

Haven't seen the system, but it looks like a commercialization of a
few tube fly systems I've seen in the past. I will order the try-out
kit.
Frank Reid

I am also interested
Frank
Pls let us know what you think.

Thanks
Fred

Moffitt Fly System
 

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Padishar Creel
wrote:

As my old eyes fade, I am always looking for easy ways to tie my fly
on while stumbling along the stream. I just learned about the Moffitt
Fly System. Anybody tried this and if so what did you think?

Chris, this is a variation of the bead system used in Alaska. Years
ago, fly fishers in Alaska used egg patterns when fishing for big
rainbows that were feeding on the salmon spawn. The eggs worked
really well, however, they created one little problem: the mortality
rate was very high because most of the rainbows would take the egg
pattern and swallow it in their feeding frenzy. Removing it or
leaving it in killed a lot of fish.

A guide dreamed up the bead method. You slip a colored glass bead
onto the end of your leader (represents the egg/spawn and can be
colored with finger nail polish to match whatever salmon pattern you
are targeting). You then tie a short piece of tippet to you leader
(double surgeon's knot is fine), slide the bead down to the knot and
hold it there by placing a tooth pick in the bead (and breaking off
the tooth pick's end). You then tie a hook onto the other end (four
to five inches) of the tippet.

You see the take when the rainbow hits the bead, set the hook which
pulls the bead out of the fish's mouth and brings the hook into the
mouth. Voila! Big rainbow on an egg pattern with the hook in its
upper jaw.

When I used this method in Alaska, the fish was usually hooked in the
upper jaw on either the inside or outside. This is the best place to
hook a trout because the upper jaw is the strongest and less harm is
done to the fish. We didn't use circle hooks, but straight size 12
dry fly hooks without barbs. I doubt any of us killed a fish.

The tool to remove the hook is nothing more than a gimmick and when
poking around with such could cause damage to the fish's mouth or
gills. Simply release the fish the "old fashioned" way.

You had better check your area's regulations concerning this set-up,
because it could be construed as snagging the fish. You could "beat
the rap" by tying on a real nymph instead of a hook. That is what I
did one morning while fishing the sucker spawn on the Rapid River.

If you use this method I imagine your fly selection from Moffit is
going to be rather limited. I've had my most successful season in 21
years this year on the Rapid and I've been using soft hackle nymphs
size 18 to 22 and I *know* Moffit doesn't have them. d;o)

Dave

Moffitt Fly System
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:

A guide dreamed up the bead method. You slip a colored glass bead
onto the end of your leader (represents the egg/spawn and can be
colored with finger nail polish to match whatever salmon pattern you
are targeting).

Forget about the fingernail polish. Visit http://www.troutbeads.com/.

You then tie a short piece of tippet to you leader
(double surgeon's knot is fine), slide the bead down to the knot and
hold it there by placing a tooth pick in the bead (and breaking off
the tooth pick's end). You then tie a hook onto the other end (four
to five inches) of the tippet.

The extra tippet and knot aren't necessary. The toothpick works just
fine by itself. Stick it in the hole, clip it off with your nippers (you
need sharp nippers) and jam the remainder down into the bead with your
forceps. It helps to treat the toothpicks ahead of time with rubber cement.

BTW, Dave, ADFG Bristol Bay Alaska regulations require the bead to be
either free-floating or no more than two inches from the hook. If you
were fishing in Bristol Bay with a bead four or five inches from the
hook you were breaking the law.

You see the take when the rainbow hits the bead, set the hook which
pulls the bead out of the fish's mouth and brings the hook into the
mouth. Voila! Big rainbow on an egg pattern with the hook in its
upper jaw.

Its an extremely effective technique, not only for rainbows, but also
for char and grayling. Some people call it snagging.

I don't think it's much different from fishing two or more nymphs.
Often, the fish will take the top nymph, you'll miss the hook set, and
you'll "snag" the fish, often on the outside of the mouth, with the
bottom nymph.

I usually tie on a glow bug instead of a bare hook.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Moffitt Fly System
 

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:20:55 -0600, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

A guide dreamed up the bead method. You slip a colored glass bead
onto the end of your leader (represents the egg/spawn and can be
colored with finger nail polish to match whatever salmon pattern you
are targeting).

Forget about the fingernail polish. Visit http://www.troutbeads.com/.

Actually the fingernail polish is still used. You start out with a
solid colored bead and either lighten or darken it depending upon the
eggs in the stream you are fishing. None of the beads I have fished
with were a solid color, but have their color altered in some way with
finger nail polish. Some of the guides were very picky about how the
color should be altered.

You then tie a short piece of tippet to you leader
(double surgeon's knot is fine), slide the bead down to the knot and
hold it there by placing a tooth pick in the bead (and breaking off
the tooth pick's end). You then tie a hook onto the other end (four
to five inches) of the tippet.

The extra tippet and knot aren't necessary. The toothpick works just
fine by itself. Stick it in the hole, clip it off with your nippers (you
need sharp nippers) and jam the remainder down into the bead with your
forceps. It helps to treat the toothpicks ahead of time with rubber cement.

BTW, Dave, ADFG Bristol Bay Alaska regulations require the bead to be
either free-floating or no more than two inches from the hook. If you
were fishing in Bristol Bay with a bead four or five inches from the
hook you were breaking the law.

We weren't breaking the law. The hook was very close to the bead,
probably less than two inches. I used four or five when I tried it
with the sucker spawn. I found the knot useful in stoping the bead
from slipping.

You see the take when the rainbow hits the bead, set the hook which
pulls the bead out of the fish's mouth and brings the hook into the
mouth. Voila! Big rainbow on an egg pattern with the hook in its
upper jaw.

Its an extremely effective technique, not only for rainbows, but also
for char and grayling. Some people call it snagging.

True. I took dozens of very large Dollies with the method, and of
course, the damned grayling.

I don't think it's much different from fishing two or more nymphs.
Often, the fish will take the top nymph, you'll miss the hook set, and
you'll "snag" the fish, often on the outside of the mouth, with the
bottom nymph.

I usually tie on a glow bug instead of a bare hook.

Or a PT. Moffit would never come close to the fly du jur. I won't
use it again on the Rapid. It seems ok by me to use it in Alaska, but
I got the feeling that I was snagging those big brookies and landlocks
on the Rapid. Heading back up there in the morning with lots of soft
hackle stuff. River is running high, so fishing will probably be off.

Dave

Moffitt Fly System
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:20:55 -0600, rw
wrote:


Dave LaCourse wrote:

A guide dreamed up the bead method. You slip a colored glass bead
onto the end of your leader (represents the egg/spawn and can be
colored with finger nail polish to match whatever salmon pattern you
are targeting).

Forget about the fingernail polish. Visit http://www.troutbeads.com/.


Actually the fingernail polish is still used. You start out with a
solid colored bead and either lighten or darken it depending upon the
eggs in the stream you are fishing. None of the beads I have fished
with were a solid color, but have their color altered in some way with
finger nail polish. Some of the guides were very picky about how the
color should be altered.

troutbeads.com has every combination of color and size one could
possibly want. Cheap, too. I suspect those guides were pulling the leg
of a sport.

You then tie a short piece of tippet to you leader
(double surgeon's knot is fine), slide the bead down to the knot and
hold it there by placing a tooth pick in the bead (and breaking off
the tooth pick's end). You then tie a hook onto the other end (four
to five inches) of the tippet.

The extra tippet and knot aren't necessary. The toothpick works just
fine by itself. Stick it in the hole, clip it off with your nippers (you
need sharp nippers) and jam the remainder down into the bead with your
forceps. It helps to treat the toothpicks ahead of time with rubber cement.

BTW, Dave, ADFG Bristol Bay Alaska regulations require the bead to be
either free-floating or no more than two inches from the hook. If you
were fishing in Bristol Bay with a bead four or five inches from the
hook you were breaking the law.


We weren't breaking the law. The hook was very close to the bead,
probably less than two inches.

Probably?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Moffitt Fly System
 

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:16:10 -0600, rw
wrote:

troutbeads.com has every combination of color and size one could
possibly want. Cheap, too. I suspect those guides were pulling the leg
of a sport.

Don't believe so. The beads we used were monochromatic; each bead
had swirls of different shades of pink ranging from almost white to
dark pink. They took a single colored bead and painted swirls in it
with nail polish. They would take a light pink egg and hit it with
light and dark pink swirls, or a dark pink egg and hit it with light
pink swirls, including near white. We never fished with eggs that
were "right out of the box." Each one I used was painted. There was
a painting station in the guides room with a very large collection of
single colored beads ranging in color from pure white to scarlet, and
a wide array of nail polish bottles.

Yeah, "probably," because I can't remember the "exact" number. We
weren't breaking the law, Steve. Guides and their lodges/outfitters
wouldn't take the chance of getting sited for something so easily
controlled, and there would be no reason to make the bead/hook
junction more than two inches. Besides, more than two inches would
cut back on the amount of hook-ups.

Moffitt Fly System
 

On Jun 29, 3:11*am, Padishar Creel wrote:

*Anybody tried this and if so what did you think?

Pick up last month's Fly Fisherman magazine and read the letters to
editor, there was much discussion on this system. Also read their fine
print, the system is illegal in some states.