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K&B January 19th, 2004 05:33 PM

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I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for them.
Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there are
any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to share
their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
Cheers in advance,
Kev



K&B January 21st, 2004 12:04 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 
Got one from Wickford Angling.
First class service!
Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.
"K&B" wrote in message
...
I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for

them.
Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there

are
any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to share
their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
Cheers in advance,
Kev





Derek.Moody January 21st, 2004 04:57 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 
In article , K&B
wrote:
Got one from Wickford Angling.
First class service!
Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.


Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all you
need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of the
net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.

The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.

Cheerio,

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K&B January 21st, 2004 09:48 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 

Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for, but
why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and the
bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a potential
sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure to
awful to comtemplate?


Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all

you
need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of

the
net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.

The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.

Cheerio,

--





Richard January 21st, 2004 11:12 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 

"K&B" wrote in message
...
Got one from Wickford Angling.
First class service!
Would still like to hear from others who go carping "lightweight" and how
they achieve it without 100 litre sacs, wheelbarrows and transit vans.
"K&B" wrote in message
...
I have been trying to buy the small one of these since they were first
advertised and despite a few orders via the net to good, established
suppliers I have yet to get one, as they say there are huge delays for

them.
Does anyone know where there are any to be bought from stock.
In general, I am fed up with carrying a ton of gear and wonder if there

are
any other carp / coarse fishers who feel the same and would like to

share
their thoughts on how they accomplish this?
Cheers in advance,
Kev





Well I suppose it depends a bit on time of year, how long you are fishing
for, how far you have got to carry the gear and how well you want to look
after yourself. That said I fish a 4 acre lake about 1mile from the car park
(nearest swim) probably 1.5miles to my preferred swim(s). The track from the
car park is through woods and up and down quite steep hills (add the up and
downs to the distance quoted). Normally I fish for 2 nights and 3 _full_
days. Obviously I can't take a transit ... but wouldn't need one anyway.
Don't need 100 litre rucksake either .... one 35 litre hoddle suffices +
cool box for food and water. I take a cheap carp barrow ..... easier than
lugging it .... although I guess I could .... and the right amount of bait.
Rest depends more on time of year and weather forecast ... but same barrow
caters for all. Also, the distance and terrain makes you keep 'things' to
the min required. I'll ship from car park to swim even at my ripe old age
with no problems so it can't be that heavy.

I see some guys turn up at other waters for one night and a short day with
more stuff ...... not sure what they do with it all ..... take most of it
home unused I think. I've seen some take more bait home than they have used
.... kgs of the stuff. They don't catch much either ....... makes me chuckle
at times .....

Stay well ....... Richard


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Derek.Moody January 22nd, 2004 03:17 AM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 
In article , K&B
wrote:

Re-ordered to convention.

Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then all

you
need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom of

the
net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.

The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.


Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for, but
why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and the
bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a potential
sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure to
awful to comtemplate?


You will almost certainly catch more with the minimal kit.

Fishing tackle is designed to catch anglers - not fish.
Mags make most of their money from advertisers.

Ask any tackle-shop owner: he sells very little gear to successful anglers;
he makes his money out of those who don't catch much.

Especially nowadays when people are cash-rich but time-poor and so few have
any real contact with the countryside there is a tendency to try to buy
shortcuts to success, hence the gadgets. Paradoxically the most successful
anglers tend to spend -less- time at the water than those who do poorly.

[ Sea fishing example, but it makes the point ]
I have been on Portland when the Chesil Beach was lined with anglers after
cod. In the pub two of the best local anglers were playing darts until
about halfway through the evening when they slipped out. They returned in
time for a last pint before closing with a couple of cod each, one over
15lb. Later we watched dozens of anglers trudge back to the car park,
only two or three of them had any fish and none had more than one.

You take one set of gear and so you concentrate on just that. It's light
enough to move around after the fish. If it doesn't work you can move to
another water, nip home for a bite to eat or not even bother to come out
until the conditions are right. Setting up is so quick that you are fishing
as soon as you hit the water and no time is wasted.

I'm lucky enough to live withing walking distance of a decent river with a
stock of wild brown trout. In season I keep a rod set up. If I decide I
want a couple of fish for supper I can pick my moment to go out, catch my
brace and be back in under an hour, sometimes under 20 minutes. I probably
fish that water less than 24 hours in a year but it wouldn't be fair to fish
it more.

As it happens I have to go farther to coarse fish than to the sea or trout
waters. In consequence I tend to take more gear with me when I do but I note
that when I keep it lean I catch more so as a halfway measure we've taken to
leaving as much as possible in the car. Risky in some places though.

Try it yourself. Go very light and aim to fish short sessions, you can do
two or three in a day if you like, different venues even. If you find a
good fish that won't take straight away drop in a few baits and leave it
till later, or next time. When you come back the fish will be relaxed.
You'll approach knowing where it is and so are less likely to spook it and
you know what baits it's used to. If you had stayed there it's likely the
fish would not have had a chance to relax. Once you have a pattern
established you can cover half a dozen likely prospects in three hours or
so.

Want to catch dace or roach rather than carp? Use the same approach but
this time it's shoals you are returning to rather than individual fish.

You asked 'why is it so unpopular?' I don't know. It's popular with me.

Cheerio,

--



Dominic Lloyd January 22nd, 2004 08:11 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 
excellent post, mate. inspirational.



Richard January 23rd, 2004 12:33 AM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , K&B
wrote:

Re-ordered to convention.

Put a pack of hooks and a few odds and ends in one pocket. Camera (if
required), scale (if required) and poly weigh-bag in another. Then

all
you
need is rod, reel and landing net. Put your bait supply in the bottom

of
the
net for carrying - you remove it when landing fish. Then go carping.

The same procedure works for most fish with minor variations.


Think the philosophy you suggest is the sort of thing I am looking for,

but
why is it so unpopular? Is it just that we are sold all this superfluous
crap by the magazines, or are we so set in our minds about catching and

the
bigger the better (hence the gadgets), that a day without being a

potential
sopnsored contributor to an angling magazine, i.e no catch, is a failure

to
awful to comtemplate?


You will almost certainly catch more with the minimal kit.

Fishing tackle is designed to catch anglers - not fish.
Mags make most of their money from advertisers.

Ask any tackle-shop owner: he sells very little gear to successful

anglers;
he makes his money out of those who don't catch much.

Especially nowadays when people are cash-rich but time-poor and so few

have
any real contact with the countryside there is a tendency to try to buy
shortcuts to success, hence the gadgets. Paradoxically the most

successful
anglers tend to spend -less- time at the water than those who do poorly.

[ Sea fishing example, but it makes the point ]
I have been on Portland when the Chesil Beach was lined with anglers

after
cod. In the pub two of the best local anglers were playing darts until
about halfway through the evening when they slipped out. They returned

in
time for a last pint before closing with a couple of cod each, one over
15lb. Later we watched dozens of anglers trudge back to the car park,
only two or three of them had any fish and none had more than one.

You take one set of gear and so you concentrate on just that. It's light
enough to move around after the fish. If it doesn't work you can move to
another water, nip home for a bite to eat or not even bother to come out
until the conditions are right. Setting up is so quick that you are

fishing
as soon as you hit the water and no time is wasted.

I'm lucky enough to live withing walking distance of a decent river with a
stock of wild brown trout. In season I keep a rod set up. If I decide I
want a couple of fish for supper I can pick my moment to go out, catch my
brace and be back in under an hour, sometimes under 20 minutes. I

probably
fish that water less than 24 hours in a year but it wouldn't be fair to

fish
it more.

As it happens I have to go farther to coarse fish than to the sea or trout
waters. In consequence I tend to take more gear with me when I do but I

note
that when I keep it lean I catch more so as a halfway measure we've taken

to
leaving as much as possible in the car. Risky in some places though.

Try it yourself. Go very light and aim to fish short sessions, you can do
two or three in a day if you like, different venues even. If you find a
good fish that won't take straight away drop in a few baits and leave it
till later, or next time. When you come back the fish will be relaxed.
You'll approach knowing where it is and so are less likely to spook it and
you know what baits it's used to. If you had stayed there it's likely the
fish would not have had a chance to relax. Once you have a pattern
established you can cover half a dozen likely prospects in three hours or
so.

Want to catch dace or roach rather than carp? Use the same approach but
this time it's shoals you are returning to rather than individual fish.

You asked 'why is it so unpopular?' I don't know. It's popular with me.

Cheerio,

--



Definately an advocate of the short session. Just need made up rod, few rig
replacements (just n case) landing net and bait (at max). Best this year was
4pm - 9pm targetting carp .... result 7 carp and 2 tench (more carp than
some get all year) ...... (cockles and corn) ....... Richard


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Frank McLardy January 24th, 2004 01:30 AM

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I've got two buddies who've known his wife, if you understand my meaning....

Derek.Moody January 24th, 2004 12:38 PM

Fox Evolution Ruckbox
 
In article , Frank McLardy
wrote:
I've got two buddies who've known his wife, if you understand my meaning....


I understand completely. You crossposted a non sequitor remark in an
attempt to start a flame. You clearly have too much time on your hands.
Why not go fishing?

FU narrowed.

Cheerio,

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