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Nightfishing
Please could you advise me on preparing to night fish for Carp on my local
lake. what sort of things should I be doing, should I sleep well during the day & stay up all night etc.How do you set out your stall? what are the best time for fish to feed? Many thanks Best Wishes Colin J. |
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On Sun, 9 May 2004 19:51:12 +0100, "Colin"
wrote: Please could you advise me on preparing to night fish for Carp on my local lake. what sort of things should I be doing, should I sleep well during the day & stay up all night etc.How do you set out your stall? what are the best time for fish to feed? Many thanks Best Wishes Colin J. Some obvious questions - dont answer them as they could place you in danger. 1. Do you have your parents permission? 2. Is the fishery secure? 3. Are other people that you know and trust nearby? 4. Take extra blankets. 5. Take something to boil water. 6. Take someone with you. 7. Repeat 6. 8. Repeat 6. 9. Make sure other trusted people know where you are!!! 10. Do not move from where you say you are. 11. Make sure you can swim for several hours FULLY clothed. 12. Do NOT fish near mud. 13. There is no 13. 14. Talk to others. 15. If in any doubt, dont do it, sounds are exagerated at night, cats sound like crying babies, birds sould like killers, mice look like large animals, trees walk, water kills. |
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4, Take something to protect you from damp, things get unbelievably wet this
time of year, a brolly is good 7 Better still go with someone 13 take your mobile 15 lmao, 2 cats fighting now you can imagine all sorts when you hear that Feeding times, I always try to see the day out but more importantly in, not a stead fast rule but carp seem to start moving about 2-3 hours before sunrise, well the increase in liners etc would suggest that. so as the sun rises try to get some elevation (trees are good) and watch the water (this is a recommended tactic at any time, especially if your not actually fishing that day as fish as most animals have habits and preferred feeding patterns). polarized glasses are invaluable for this. Don't be afraid to move to showing fish even if it's taken you hours to settle, especially until the water increases in temperature. Don't try to stay up you will end up feeling tired and soon fed up, also as the margins I do mean the margin as well 1-2 foot from the bank are one of the most productive places during the night you are better sleeping thus keeping movement to a minimum (unless you sleep walk, in which case forget about nights :-) ). This is my major gripe with people, how many times do you hear I was just nodding off and off went the rod, my typical answer is if you had kept stealth like that may well of been your 2 or 3rd fish, whilst on this subject watch the skyline because fish always do. I have suggested to people before (local lake allowing) try a ghost session i.e. 3am on have a good kip then arise bright and early this way you get a lot of the benefits without the discomfort. Right I'm offski first 4 nights on my new syndicate water now the w/e peepz have had there shot (that's fishing I have spent several days markering and watching btw),,,,, 13 acres 2 acres of snags 9 acres of weed 120 fish ummm tough still 2 of the nicest looking commons I've seen reside in said water, I nearly black 1 orange both just tipped 30lb either this year would do me :-) Have fun and stay safe |
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In message , Colin
writes Please could you advise me on preparing to night fish for Carp on my local lake. what sort of things should I be doing, should I sleep well during the day & stay up all night etc.How do you set out your stall? what are the best time for fish to feed? Many thanks Best Wishes Colin J. Never, ever go night fishing, or day fishing for that matter, on your own. Every thing gets very different and extremely scary at night, as an experiment camp out in your back garden. It's unlikely you will get any sleep and some of the noises you will hear will be incredibly loud and scary. This will also enable you to test and refine your bivvy layout, it is very easy to trip over your bag when going for a pee in the dark. Water is dangerous stuff, add the darkness and it gets very dangerous. For a first time go with at least one other person you trust with your life and who has been night fishing before. Every body in your party must be able to swim very well. Take warm clothes, even if the day is warm it gets bloody cold at night. Take a lot of lights, not just one little torch. Take good quality food and drinks and a method to heat them up, a packet of crisps at 3:00 AM will do you no good at all. Do not try to stay awake all night, tiredness slows reactions which at best means you lose a fish. Sleep in shifts or rely on a bite alarm to wake you up. Take a change of clothes and a washing kit, this will wake you up better than anything. Be organised, keep your gear tidy (most people I have seen end up in the water did so because they shot out of the bivvy when the alarm went off and tripped over a chair (or bucket or stove or Pod or etc. etc.) Put the bivvy back from the edge of the bank, especially if you might be a mobile sleeper. Use common sense, if the bank looks a bit dodgy during the day it will be twice as hazardous at night when it is wet so don't fish there. Have a contact number you can be reached on and make sure a fully charged mobile is available at all times. Have fun - Night fishing is great but you must treat ALL water with respect. PS There will be loads of people who don't agree with the above and have been fishing alone for years and never had a problem etc. etc., I wonder how many more of these people are not in a position to answer you anymore? -- GRD The trouble with censorship is "quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?" (Juvenal's Satires) |
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In article , spamless
wrote: Never, ever go night fishing, or day fishing for that matter, on your own. That's a bit strong. Never start day or night fishing alone but once you know the risks you can reassess. Every thing gets very different and extremely scary at night, as an That has nothing to do with it - part of the fun :-) You need someone (and they you) in case you get into trouble because you're unused to the dark. At least by a carp pond you won't have the problems associated with midnight-wading a seatrout pool... [ Btw. We are talking carp fishing here which is usually quite sedentary. If you are intending to fly fish or spin in the dark and will cover a lot of water in rough country then you do need to crank up the precautions. For a completely different reason a town water near a late club might be far more dangerous despite streetlights. ] scary. This will also enable you to test and refine your bivvy layout, And DON'T take a bivvy. A tent if you're camping, fine. Your usual stool/seat/whatever you sit on but if possible take -less- when nightfishing especially if you intend to change swims to take advantage of the change in sun direction between dusk and dawn. it is very easy to trip over your bag when going for a pee in the dark. Water is dangerous stuff, add the darkness and it gets very dangerous. Yup. Learn the venue by day first. For a first time go with at least one other person you trust with your life and who has been night fishing before. Every body in your party must be able to swim very well. Way over the top. Everyone should keep clear of sheer drops so that if you do go in it's only the embarrassing gloopy mud problem. Take warm clothes, even if the day is warm it gets bloody cold at night. And put a space blanket in your pocket. Take a lot of lights, not just one little torch. Hmmmm... I quite often go night fishing without any lights at all or maybe with just a mini-torch 'cos if you have light there's too much temptation to use it. One small lamp for unhooking maybe and a spare at the bottom of the bag but get used to tying hooks and baiting by feel or by silhoette against the sky/moon/glow of distant shopping centre. In fact if you can it's better not take a bag either - just have a jacket with a lot of big pockets. Take good quality food and drinks and a method to heat them up, a packet of crisps at 3:00 AM will do you no good at all. I prefer a flask as there's less apparatus to carry but it's up to you. You need something hot and you will get hungry. Do not try to stay awake all night, tiredness slows reactions which at best means you lose a fish. Sleep in shifts or rely on a bite alarm to wake you up. If you are tired stop fishing and sleep. If you have to be woken by a bite alarm you will be muzzy and the fish will have a head start. If you sit quiet with the rod in hand and your ears open and your finger on the line you will not need an alarm and you'll get the fish in much faster. Be organised, keep your gear tidy (most people I have seen end up in the water did so because they shot out of the bivvy when the alarm went off and tripped over a chair (or bucket or stove or Pod or etc. etc.) Quite. You don't need anywhere near as much gear and you'll already be awake so you've much less chance of tripping. Use common sense, if the bank looks a bit dodgy during the day it will be twice as hazardous at night when it is wet so don't fish there. That is first class advice. Have a contact number you can be reached on and make sure a fully charged mobile is available at all times. Yuck. Leave the mobile at home in case someone tries to ring you. Have fun - Night fishing is great but you must treat ALL water with respect. PS There will be loads of people who don't agree with the above and have been fishing alone for years and never had a problem etc. etc., I wonder how many more of these people are not in a position to answer you anymore? Interesting point. When you think about it there are remarkably few serious accidents nightfishing. Maybe because most of those dedicated enough to do it are likely to have thought it through in advance. Cheerio, -- |
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"spamless" wrote in message Never, ever go night fishing, or day fishing for that matter, on your own. -------------------------------------------- Depressing sign of the times we live in. I know we were not alone, but 43 years ago when I was 14 myself and two friends often used to night fish the Grand Union Canal at Denham. My Uncle used to drop us off on the western avenue, now the M40 where it crosses the canal,we used to walk along the towpath crossing over to the far bank at Denham deep lock. I would not feel safe walking along that section today in broad daylight. |
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"Colin" wrote in message
... Please could you advise me on preparing to night fish for Carp on my local lake. what sort of things should I be doing, should I sleep well during the day & stay up all night etc.How do you set out your stall? what are the best time for fish to feed? Many thanks Best Wishes Colin J. I see you're getting plenty of advice, much of it conflicting. I've done a lot of night fishing, and also a lot of fishing alone. I began renting rowboats when I was about 10 years old, and once they got to know me I would generally take the boat before they opened, and pay the fee when the shop opened. Night fishing never bothered me, either, but there was generally someone around to talk too. We have a lot of lakes and rivers here, and the biggest problem was letting the fishing buddies know where to meet. Generally, you should not try to carry too much gear. It should all fit easily into a single 5 gallon pail. This leaves one hand free for the rods. Unless you have a built-up site, you may need some type of rod holder with either a clamp or a spade type for pushing into the ground. (or both) Also carry a 10 foot length of nylon rope and an anchor (tent peg will do) , for tying your rod down. There's nothing more embarassing than telling your buddies about the gear you lost to a carp at 4 am. I like to use a bell with a clip to indicate a bite. Remember to remove the bell before casting, unless you enjoy hearing the bell as it tumbles out over the lake. (carry a few spares, I always seem to forget) When you choose your gear bucket, get one with a lid; this will be your seat. Bait and tackle doesn't take much room, choose the remainder of your gear from experience. Some folks like to take charcoal and a grill. This allows for hot food and warmth against the chill nights. A small plastic tarp is cheap and quite useful for those unexpected rains. A knife, pliers and a length of rope are useful. If there are trees around, the rope allows you to use the tarp as an awning both against the rain, and as shade from the sun. I keep a garden trowel in my bucket; this is for burying the charcoal from the grill, and camp waste. (it is illegal here to dump fish remains into the water) A few trash bags in your bucket serves the same purpose. You still have room in your bucket for a radio. Don't take a boom-box, nothing irritates the lake residents more than loud music across the water at 4am. Small jars with screw lids make good bait containers. Always carry several; this prevents disaster when you misplace one in the dark, or one rolls off the bridge. Baby food jars are a good size to use. I also like to use small zip-lock bags (such as sinkers and hooks are sold in) for my corn. I can divide it up and toss them into the freezer--- I can fish for months on a $1 bag of frozen corn. Prepare for your own needs, food, drink, matches, flashlight (and spare batteries), emergency toilet paper (in a zip-lock baggie), bug juice, thermos, SPARE CAR KEYS, soap and a small brush for washing hands and gear. Any medications that you take should already be in your kit, but I'll just remind you here. Take a cheap (or throwaway) camera for those action shots. Before you leave, always clean up your mess. Pick up your cans and bottles, food wrappers and bag up any ashes. If you find a bit of trash that isn't yours, take that too. Now is the best time to clean out your bucket. Remove left over bait, so that you won't need to do it at home. (forgotten bait makes itself very evident after a few days in the closet) Brush wash the fish slime from your rod handles, roll your tarp and coil your rope neatly. Make sure your pliers, knife and any loose tackle is stowed properly before you leave. If any of the gear in the bucket is wet, remember to lay it out to dry after you get home. Special care should be paid to your knife and pliers, as well as your flashlight and radio. They should not be left in the bucket unless everything is well dried. As to method, bottom fishing is easiest and quite effective for carp. I usually leave a slight curve in the line, my weight is too small for a really tight line, anyway. If there is moonlight, or a streetlight (or even a light across the lake) you can see the line from the rod to the water. With a slight bow in the line, you can see when the fish is biting. Carp especially will gently pick up the bait. We do fish here for white bass using bobbers. Moonlight and a keen eye is necessary here, but when they are biting, no one is napping anyway. Night time is a good time to practice with a top water lure like a floating Rapala, Hula Popper or Crazy Crawler. Your first pike or walleye on top water won't cure you of carp fishing, but it will give you something to do while waiting on the bait rods. Pepperoni |
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In message , Alex
writes "spamless" wrote in message Never, ever go night fishing, or day fishing for that matter, on your own. -------------------------------------------- Depressing sign of the times we live in. I know we were not alone, but 43 years ago when I was 14 myself and two friends often used to night fish the Grand Union Canal at Denham. My Uncle used to drop us off on the western avenue, now the M40 where it crosses the canal,we used to walk along the towpath crossing over to the far bank at Denham deep lock. I would not feel safe walking along that section today in broad daylight. Yep, Kids get a lousy deal these days, I used to go out at 6:00 am fish all day and return by 20:00 and nobody had to worry about what was happening. These days Kids are always watched and get very little freedom, it's a sad fact but when they're playing playstation in the living room you know where they are and that they are safe. It's about time we stopped being victims isn't it ? -- GRD The trouble with censorship is "quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?" (Juvenal's Satires) |
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Thankyou all very much I am very pleased with the response I will take on
board everything said. Best Wishes Colin "Pepperoni" wrote in message ... "Colin" wrote in message ... Please could you advise me on preparing to night fish for Carp on my local lake. what sort of things should I be doing, should I sleep well during the day & stay up all night etc.How do you set out your stall? what are the best time for fish to feed? Many thanks Best Wishes Colin J. I see you're getting plenty of advice, much of it conflicting. I've done a lot of night fishing, and also a lot of fishing alone. I began renting rowboats when I was about 10 years old, and once they got to know me I would generally take the boat before they opened, and pay the fee when the shop opened. Night fishing never bothered me, either, but there was generally someone around to talk too. We have a lot of lakes and rivers here, and the biggest problem was letting the fishing buddies know where to meet. Generally, you should not try to carry too much gear. It should all fit easily into a single 5 gallon pail. This leaves one hand free for the rods. Unless you have a built-up site, you may need some type of rod holder with either a clamp or a spade type for pushing into the ground. (or both) Also carry a 10 foot length of nylon rope and an anchor (tent peg will do) , for tying your rod down. There's nothing more embarassing than telling your buddies about the gear you lost to a carp at 4 am. I like to use a bell with a clip to indicate a bite. Remember to remove the bell before casting, unless you enjoy hearing the bell as it tumbles out over the lake. (carry a few spares, I always seem to forget) When you choose your gear bucket, get one with a lid; this will be your seat. Bait and tackle doesn't take much room, choose the remainder of your gear from experience. Some folks like to take charcoal and a grill. This allows for hot food and warmth against the chill nights. A small plastic tarp is cheap and quite useful for those unexpected rains. A knife, pliers and a length of rope are useful. If there are trees around, the rope allows you to use the tarp as an awning both against the rain, and as shade from the sun. I keep a garden trowel in my bucket; this is for burying the charcoal from the grill, and camp waste. (it is illegal here to dump fish remains into the water) A few trash bags in your bucket serves the same purpose. You still have room in your bucket for a radio. Don't take a boom-box, nothing irritates the lake residents more than loud music across the water at 4am. Small jars with screw lids make good bait containers. Always carry several; this prevents disaster when you misplace one in the dark, or one rolls off the bridge. Baby food jars are a good size to use. I also like to use small zip-lock bags (such as sinkers and hooks are sold in) for my corn. I can divide it up and toss them into the freezer--- I can fish for months on a $1 bag of frozen corn. Prepare for your own needs, food, drink, matches, flashlight (and spare batteries), emergency toilet paper (in a zip-lock baggie), bug juice, thermos, SPARE CAR KEYS, soap and a small brush for washing hands and gear. Any medications that you take should already be in your kit, but I'll just remind you here. Take a cheap (or throwaway) camera for those action shots. Before you leave, always clean up your mess. Pick up your cans and bottles, food wrappers and bag up any ashes. If you find a bit of trash that isn't yours, take that too. Now is the best time to clean out your bucket. Remove left over bait, so that you won't need to do it at home. (forgotten bait makes itself very evident after a few days in the closet) Brush wash the fish slime from your rod handles, roll your tarp and coil your rope neatly. Make sure your pliers, knife and any loose tackle is stowed properly before you leave. If any of the gear in the bucket is wet, remember to lay it out to dry after you get home. Special care should be paid to your knife and pliers, as well as your flashlight and radio. They should not be left in the bucket unless everything is well dried. As to method, bottom fishing is easiest and quite effective for carp. I usually leave a slight curve in the line, my weight is too small for a really tight line, anyway. If there is moonlight, or a streetlight (or even a light across the lake) you can see the line from the rod to the water. With a slight bow in the line, you can see when the fish is biting. Carp especially will gently pick up the bait. We do fish here for white bass using bobbers. Moonlight and a keen eye is necessary here, but when they are biting, no one is napping anyway. Night time is a good time to practice with a top water lure like a floating Rapala, Hula Popper or Crazy Crawler. Your first pike or walleye on top water won't cure you of carp fishing, but it will give you something to do while waiting on the bait rods. Pepperoni |
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