Dan,

I met some really cool old salt water spin fisherman in Florida who have
fished with no bail for over 40 years now.

They remove the bail and use reels with big line rollers that have ball
bearings.

I think they started just after WWII using spinning reels that had no bail
or just a short cut off bail.

They just lift the line off the roller and make a cast, then they hook the
line with their finger and place it back on the line roller.

I will have to try it some day.

I think Shamano has the US market for spinning reels but they said that
Diawa, Penn and Okuma are all making high end spinning reels now too.

--
Bill Kiene



"Dannyboyy" wrote in message
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I just got a Sahara. These new Shimano spinning reels today have this
anti-reverse feature which means that when set they absolutely do not go
backwards at all. It takes some getting used to. That is, you really
have
to watch where the bail is oriented or you will need to crank it again to
get it lined up to 12:00. Most of the time I run in open bail poisition
so
this is a non issue. But the slop that used to be there did two things,
one
it allowed you a little play to line up the bail to 12:00 if you passed it
slightly and two it allowed you to get some momentum built up to release
the
bail and start the retrieve. The new reel almost seems stuck at times
with
the bail open. You have to crank it really hard to get it to trip the
bail
and this feels like it will bust something in the gearing down the road.
From what I have researched people that use these new reels get in the
habit
of tripping the bail by hand after the cast and before the retrieve. That
seems like a pain in the butt. Think about it, when you over cast your
target and want to stop the lure in mid air before it hits a boat, goes
into
a tree, etc. what do you do? It is so second nature that I can't remember
what I do at the moment. But I think I start cranking a retrieve or at
least crank once to trip the bail. Do the benefits of the next two models
above the Sahara justify thier price?