"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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In article 432a9049.0@entanet, Eric The Viking
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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message
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Some would check the weather forecast and put in brownie points at home
until the storm is dropping and the disturbed bait is dropping out of
the
water column into the gutter...

Some of the best fishing is in stormy weather, not to mention to
exhilaration of your nostrils being force fed sea air at 40 MPH! Or
match

I would never suggest a beginner fished in the teeth of a f8 gale. It's
risky even for experienced anglers especially in NW Scotland.

Ok my mistake, no one sane fishes in a force 8. My point was that there's
good fishing to be had in a bracing wind - conditions that warrant a heavier
approach than float fishing and spinning.

fishing for that matter, if you turn up for a match and it's blowing a
hoolie you will stand a better chance oif winning if you can fish the
conditions. Ok, match fishing isn't everything but it's another aspect
of
fishing that benefits from a wide range of techniques and tools.

No sane organiser would continue in such conditions, there will be some
sort of alternative venue or a postponement.

You're right, they are often turned into 'rovers' if conditions are
dangerous. But you still have more choices if you can deal with an in your
face wind.


The OP actually started the thread by asking a genuine question about
casting distances and hasn't necessarily been mislead into anything. I

It was clear from the question that he had already been misled.

In your opinion.


think its more misleading to summarily dismiss 'heavy fishing' and coax
the

I don't recall dismissing heavy fishing anywhere in this thread. Perhaps
you can remind me where I did so.

"[ Long range beachcasting is a specialist technique that you only need to
consider if you have very flat, featureless beaches and the fish swim at
extreme range. It so happens that there are a few venues like this near
London and home counties journalists naturally write about the conditions
they experience. Most anglers in the west - with a few exceptions in
Lancashire/Cumbria - could fish successfully for a lifetime without even
owning a conventional beachcaster. OK, most do use one sometimes when
fishing is slow or the whiting are running.
]"

I think that's pretty dismissive considering a lot of people adopt this
technique all over the country.

If you predominantly use a fly rod then you are going to catch more fish
on
a fly rod. If you always use a beachcaster then you will always catch
fish
on a beachcaster.

Quite. I bet I have more fun though :-)

I bet you don't ;-p


I have fished matches where I have been stuffed by anglers using coarse
gear
to catch Mullet - I fished for Wrasse with heavy gear and blanked, they
used
match rods and weighed in 7 or 8lbs. I have also fished matches where I
have stuffed people using match gear, they caught no Mullet, I caught a
13lb
Conger. Who was right?

None of you. Matchfishing is another highly specialised regime which is
over reported in the angling press and seriously misleads beginners.

Match fishing can positively encourage beginners. Most clubs are founded on
match fishing. For that matter most clubs I have ever been in have juniors
sections for the youngsters ( beginners ) to compete in.

You
would almost certainly have caught more if you had not entered the match
in
the first place.

How do you come to that conclusion?

On another local beach (Chesil) organisers took to banning floatfishing
with
groundbait for gar and scad because the same two or three anglers were
winning everything.

I have fished these matches on Chesil, personally I think the ban is a
good
thing as often 1st prize would go to 45lbs of Garfish. Thats just
absolute
slaughter. Besides catching garfish after garfish after garfish just
gets
plain boring after an hour or two. I usually fish two rods in these

So now light tackle is to be eschewed because you catch more?

My point was that the ban was probably introduced to stop people killing
several hundreds of pounds of fish that aren't going to get eaten. Not due
to sour grapes between some imaginary "Carp Rod" vs "Beachcaster" divide. My
old club nearly banned dogfish in matches because too many were coming to
the scales in bin bags. I said nothing about avoiding light tackle in fact
if you quoted my whole paragraph you would say that I said I fish both
styles.

My original point was?

Your original point was that distance casting is a specialist technique that
only applies to London and the home counties.

To which I replied "Utter bilge"

Cheerio,

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