"go-bassn" wrote in message
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Bob, if I can offer some creative criticism...

You're WAY overthinking this fishing thing pal.

Not disagreeing, but I am one of those guys who solves things by cogitating
on them. There are some locals who just instinctively know what to do, but
I gotta figure it out.

Bass don't read textbooks & they're usually not where they're supposed to
be.

Maybe on the average day, but on the days when I have done really well they
were exactly where they should be. What I'm trying to figure out is where
they shoulld be on average days. Obviously its not just luck because there
are guys who do well every time out.

Learn to run & gun, to eliminate water.


I don't have enough good locations figured out to run and gun all day long
yet. It does work, because lots of guys who have been fishing the area for
many years do exactly that. They basically have a milk run for the
different seasons figured out that they fish every time out.

You'll figure it out.


I have alot of confidence that I will, but hopefully while I am still young
enough to enjoy it. LOL. I'm not complaining. I've had lots of good days
on the water. I just want to fighure out how to turn marginal days into
good days and bad days into just slow days.

Oh, and once you find them they still might not bite ;-)


No kidding, although THAT is happening less often. I've got two or three
good things I try to provoke fish when I find them, but can't catch them.
The biggest is trying to figure why they are there and then finesse spots
like that from further off. Try throwing realy light stuff into the wind
for distance on a windy day. It works soemtimes when nothing else will.
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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I have been studying the Buck Perry System for Structure Fishing. It is
very informative, but I am still having some difficulty with a couple
things. He emphasizes that he believes that bass spend the most of
their
time in the deepest water in the area. (Not to be confused with the
deepest
water in the whole lake.)

He goes onto say that the fish are often contacted by fishermen when
they
are moving up or down the structure from deepwater to shallower water to
feed. Even more so he goes on to say that the bigger fish often do not
move
up as much as the smaller fish.

Would that indicate that if your are nailing down 1 to 2 lb fish you
should
drop back to deeper water along any structure or break leading back to
pick
up bigger fish?

In the area I fish there is almost no really deep water. Ten or twelve
feet
would be considered deep, with very few holes anywhere going more than
fifteen feet. I have consistantly caught fish off of weeds with a drop
to
6 or 7 feet off the edge of the weeds, but I have caught very few fish
in
deeper water, and very few fish up shallow. Almost nobody I talk to
around
here spends much time in the deeper water except catfishermen. A lot of
people talk about pitching way back into heavy cover like it is the holy
grail of big fish. I have to be honest. I spent a lot of time pitching
and
flipping last year with little success. I caught a few fish, but
nothing
spectacular with maybe 3 lbs being the biggest.

The weed edges have produced more fish consistantly, but not all that
large.
On the other hand I would rather weigh in five fish from one to two
ponds
in
a tournament than just one 3 lb fish.

I am trying to figure out when or at what ambient light level to try the
different areas. When I used to fish the canal banks regularly my best
time
to fish was from the hottest part of the afternoon until that light and
temperature break that happens in the late afternoon. The fishing
usually
picks up about that time and then tapers off until after sunset with an
occassional good bite just around sunset.

Now I look back and analyze that to try and understand what is
happening.
During that hot really bright time of day the fish are concentrated on
cover
like bridges and pipes. That afternoon temperature drop is usually
paired
with a slight reduction of light level. If you aren't tuned to it you
don't
really notice it because its still darned bright out there in the desert
sun. The fish get active then. If you follow Buck Perry's advice he
would
say it is because of the change in light level. If you follow what I
always
believed its because of the temperature drop. The light level makes a
little more sense to me now because the fish can always go deeper, and
in
the canals the constant current keeps the water conditions slightly more
stable.

I think that time is more productive because they are becoming more
active,
but still close to the cover where you can find them. Then they begin
to
spread out. Still active but harder to find any concentrations of fish.
I
actually suspect that the sunset burst of activity that sometimes
happens
is
when you find a larger group of fish in an area as they become the most
active for a short time.

I am trying to figure out how to transfer this knowledge to the river
and
lakes along the lower Colorado or even if it does translate. Since I
mostly
fish on the river from before sunrise until early afternoon the
conditions
are obviously different. In addition my best times in the past are not
even
fished. Add on the super abundance of cover along the river and all the
lakes there really isn't anyplace that concentrates fish that I can
figure
out.

I have fished other places in the past where I could catch a dozen or
more
fish in a very small area or off a single spot in a very short time.
Usually there is something distinctive about the spot that I could use
elsewhere to figure out fish. In the river and back lakes I have found
a
few areas that will produce four or five small fish or one or two larger
fish, but the areas are larger and the single spots are almost
nonexistant.
One or two spots have produced a fish or two on successive trips, but
not
consistantly.

The closest I have come to finding a good spot was areas that seemed to
trap
baitfish. I could usually catch fish in those spots for upto a half an
hour, but as soon as the bait fish break out of the area the bass and
other
predatory fish are gone. I can't seem to find them and catch a single
fish
when that happens. They have to go somewhere. Where?

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