David Snedeker wrote:
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If its something about me being a lib, well I see myself as of the
progressive persuasion but I wouldn't call myself (nor do the people who
know me call me) a "liberal." For example Im with Buchannon on
immigration
and H1b and H2b, bi-lingual ed is not me (although I study other
languages),
Im opposed to rampant Federalism, deficit spending worries me, I see
NAFTA
and much of globalization as a disaster, just to name a few of my
non-lib
empty pigeon holes.

And Ideology really does suck.

Except yours apparently. :-)

Come on, read the two sections together.....the one where you set out
the aspects of your personal ideology and the one that says that
ideology sucks......I just know you can do it this time.

GOOOOOO DAVE!!!!!
- Ken

Look, you labeled me as a "liberal." I just pointed out some illustrative
inconsistencies in that label. We have different understandings of the
meaning of the word "ideology." Ive studied a few ideologies (specifically
Marxism-Leninism, Italian Fascism, German Nazism, Christian Socialism,
Argentine Radicalism, Mexican Revolutionary Institutionalism, Cuban
Communism, Roman Catholicism, Communist Internationalism, Trotskyite
Communism, American Liberalism, American Conservatism, American Federalist
Extremism, etc..)

I would liken your understanding of the term ideology as similar to the
"common" understanding of the term "theory" which is held by folks who have
a problem with the teaching of evolution as the theory which underpins
modern biology. And I would guess that according to your understanding, just
about everyone who has ideas, beliefs or attitudes, also has an "ideology" .
. . by your lights.

Oh, he's coming close to getting it.......


Its OK by me if thats where your understanding rests, and so I don't really
expect that the next "clue" will change anything. However . . . one could
start by thinking about the difference between deductive logic, and
inductive logic. An ideology starts with the conclusion and fits the
observations, and then the actions. A system for alternative thought
experiments that might be useful in exploring the particular, has yielded
mostly horror when it comes to the task of guiding nation states.

......and then he loses it. People come by their ideologies through
various means. Either taught directly by their parents, teachers,
peers
or through interactions in their world. Your ideology opposes "rampant
Federalism". Someone who supports a socialist ideology would
support "rampant Federalism"....but probably wouldn't label it as such.
Assuming that people with a "bad ideology" come to it through a means
other than how you came to yours simply illustrates a small mind on
your part.

No matter how you try to justify it to yourself, your ideology sucks
to someone else just as much as theirs sucks to you. Understand this
and you might have actually learned something about yourself.
This is the reason why I can get along with KenF and DaveL while
adamantly disagreeing with much of each of their personal ideologies.
They both believe what they believe for their own reasons, but
they accept that others believe differently.

Your ideology sucks just as much as everyone else's does.
- Ken