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Old June 2nd, 2006, 06:29 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Ken, you confound two different things (at least). Of course everyone

can be
said to have a set of attitudes, opinions and beliefs (AOBs), arrived at
thru experience, education and even indoctrination. And you are

choosing to
see these as "ideologies" (although you hedge a bit by sometimes

appending
the word "personal"). And so by your lights I guess we could call each

of
these "ideologies" as "Kenism," "KenFism," DaveLCism" etc., etc, ad

nausea.

You are confusing ideologies with ideologies which groups of people
agree with. Basically, "popular ideologies". Pacifism,
conservationism, progressivism (whatever the individual decides to
define that as), etc are all "popular ideologies".

You can define ideology however you want, but what you really mean is
ideologies that you don't like suck. Unless conservationism and
pacifism suck too (just trying to pick a couple that I figure you
mostly agree with, pick others if you like).

Sorry, the Ideologies I say suck, are those broad band systems of

thought,
worldview, and conclusions, which seek to subjugate experience,

observation
and experiment (to a greater or lesser degree) to conformity with
pre-determined conclusions.


In other words, ideologies that don't conform to your world view.
- Ken


Ken, Ken, Ken,

Wherever did you get the idea that I was a follower of pacifism or
conservationism? Whats so hard with understanding "Ideology sucks" anyway?
Would it help you if I said "All ideologies suck" ? Following an ideology,
any ideology, ties one to a specific pre-determined set of conclusions. I
try to avoid ideological thinking, and give more credence to empirical
evidence, observation, experience, and experiment.

So for example, in the political realm, Im less impressed with a candidate's
grand statements of generalized "principles" and "values": I am much more
interested in their specific experience in getting things done, fixing
problems, reaching workable compromises, and whether they can limit the
application of whatever "personal ideology" they have to their own
household, and not lay their personal AOBs on everyone else.

As far as we need a framework for governance, the Constitution is plenty
enough for the US, but I would not presume to force it on any other peoples.

Dave