Joe Haubendreich has been a fixture in his community & with this group for
an extremely long time. I know Joe as well as most, & there is absolutely no
secret side to anything Joe does. His life is an open book. Furthermore,
anyone who has ever met him will agree with this. For the record, I want to
state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's ethics
or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word) an
ignorant, illiterate asshole!

Fortunately, that does not appear to be what this thread is about or
inferring. This thread is about spamming, & is largely featuring the
opinions of Ken Fortenberry. Ken & I go way back on this group. We would
love to spend a day in his canoe fishing together, & I'm positive that, just
on general principle, each would try to throw the other overboard before the
end of the float. We would then end the day laughing together over a cold
drink somewhere. Ken is a good guy with only two major flaws: He demands
that replies to posts be on shown top (a really stupid waste of time) & he
rigidly defines SPAMMING with his own hopelessly wrong & unusable set of
rules. Intelligent folks show really good sense by just ignoring him on
these points. Otherwise, he's an OK guy in my book.

Bob Rickard
Old Geezer & Really Nice Guy
and angling loving Founder & Director of Secret Weapon Lures
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message


Did you read the snippet I quoted?

Yes I did read the snippet you quoted. I have read the entire thread. I
think it is a good conversation.


Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more
attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff--
probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in
a room with him while he's spouting off, either.

I'm gratified we both agree that "ego", as used in this conversation is
not so bad.

There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this
stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose
not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another
century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for
bass.

Great. Don't buy the stuff. Use what you like, how you like, and when
and where you like. Sounds to me as though you are a proper contrarian,
which I believe to be a good thing most of the time. However, ascribing
negative attributes to these folks by denegrating their "ego" is snide and
salacious and generally a crappy way of contributing to a conversation.

For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and
safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB,
remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of
the fishermen here.


Scott, please dispense with the tutorials. Get off your high horse. Not
all of us are mouth-breathers here.


He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where
some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to
express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving
anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe
less.


As far as shilling, Joe has placed a considerable amount of his product in
the hands of the pros on this board for beta testing. I don't recall any
complaints about that activity. He happens to make outstanding products,
stands behind them, and has spent time here with good tips and information
in the past. All aspiring pro should read his monograph on sponsorship
and working partnerships with corporate entities. It is a primer for how
to get a fishing career going in the right direction.

As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention
to his posts. Don't take advantage of his offers.