"JT" wrote

When the braided loop
to loop (if that's what you are referring to) came out, I tried them for
awhile, I had one pull off the end of the fly line and that was enough for
me. I've never had a nail knot slipped off the end of the fly line, so I
went back to that technique.


No the Rio line I got had a loop built in as part of the line .... I hate
the braided things you add on.

I use a needle nail knot on all other lines. I may hack the factory loop
off the Rio soon and use one on it. The line coating is starting to crack
in that loop and that area is fatter than it would otherwise be, too. The
Rio line has actually served me well. Lines don't live forever and I tend
to use them past their prime at the same time that I'm picky about their
performance. I may expect too much, but I'm impartial in my expectations
.... all brands I've tried fail to really satisfy me G

Yes, I'm still using the Rio conditioner ... but I liked whatever it was I
had before that better, it was slicker, longer, it seemed .... no, I don't
remember what it was G