Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly :{)


In my experience (for what its worth), it sounds like your going in the
right direction.
A running trace tends to outdo the paternoster, in the sense that as you
know bream
can be very timid at times, being able to play a while overcomes the fear
and once
feeling safer they tend to start a slow run for the next meal. One thing
does jump
to mind however, on the paternoster the bites can be better read, in this
case a slightly
smaller hook, embedded rather than on the show, can often be crafty enough
to
fool the larger fish, also try extending to 6 and 10 as opposed to 4 and 8
to give
them a little more scope to start the run. Also, the bites can sometimes be
easier to connect if
you lower the angle of the rod slightly, the reaction time remains the same
but your movement to
connect ratio improves. (works for me because im lazy :{) )


Hope this helps, happy hunting sir.


"Gandalf" wrote in message
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Hi Midnight.

"try for a ballet dancer next? :{)"

But that would be far tutus easy, you might say.(;-) Better that than a
cod piece me thinks, now that thought could put you off fish and chips for
life.

Monday got trod on by family so it will now be Thursday and Friday, they
will learn there is a cost to taking my fishing days away.VBG

Being a man of bream experience can I ask if this makes sense. I started
with a paternoster(SP) set up with feed being a short 4 inch and the hook
length a simple 8 inches. This brought a lot of gentle bites and fish
ranging from 1/2 lb to just over the lb but when I went to a short flying
hook on a running feeder rig I got the bigger ones. Is this usual for
bream or was it just a mater of luck as it happened with the larger fish
moving in later when I changed technique slightly. I changed because I
though the shallow swim ( about 6 foot ) allowed the hook length to be
mauled around before registering on the quiver tip, does that make sense
as a rule.

Just come back to fishing so need to relearn a few things as my break was
down to an illness that has resulted in a bit of lost memory.

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Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
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Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
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"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it "

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little
interesting, all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross
trout bream sort of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

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Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
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Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know
that a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it

"Gandalf" wrote in message
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As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small
fish were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them,
but this was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from
where I was fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am
thinking but would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a
piranha pool.


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Gandalf